Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Imo, the appeal of Oliver at three is that you’re taking a chance on a SPARQ freak, which has been anathema to Maccagnan, over a humble kid who’s maybe not that athletic in Q. Williams, which is Maccagnan’s lubriderm. The preferred path should be trading down and using your newfound resources to help Darnold. The fallback is staying put and drafting the best of a small group of players at positions you don’t really need That's the thing. If they do take Oliver it means Williams is running sh*t now which is only gonna lead to disaster anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 If Murray falls to #3 I think a team like the Giants or Redskins trades up with the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: This is why we can't have nice things. Leveon, CJ and Sam say hi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: That's the thing. If they do take Oliver it means Williams is running sh*t now which is only gonna lead to disaster anyway. Not true. Both he and QW interviewed well and are liked by Greg. This really is on Macc. As Tom said, taking Oliver would suggest a genuine shift in philosophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Paradis said: Not true. Both he and QW interviewed well and are liked by Greg. This really is on Macc. As Tom said, taking Oliver would suggest a genuine shift in philosophy and could also indicate how the new analytics department will influence things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Miss Lonelyhearts said: That's the thing. If they do take Oliver it means Williams is running sh*t now which is only gonna lead to disaster anyway. QW’s 40 was excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Paradis said: Not true. Both he and QW interviewed well and are liked by Greg. This really is on Macc. As Tom said, taking Oliver would suggest a genuine shift in philosophy How? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 Haha. Breer’s final mock is up and he has the Jets trading back to 15 and picking Noah Fant, which is what my final mock said too. I’m very plugged in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: That's the thing. If they do take Oliver it means Williams is running sh*t now which is only gonna lead to disaster anyway. It is my secret hope that Gase and Williams stage a coup and we eventually get to Florham Park looking like the final ten minutes of Reservoir Dogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Haha. Breer’s final mock is up and he has the Jets trading back to 15 and picking Noah Fant, which is what my final mock said too. I’m very plugged in he did come in for a private visit. but i still don't see this happening at 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: QW’s 40 was excellent Well played, Phil. I'm fine with QWilliams. I think it's the best pick Maccagnan is capable of making there. Better than taking Allen with both tackles on the board. I think my actual pick would be Burns if Oliver and Bosa were to somehow go 1-2 but that's not happening nor would that be Maccagnan's pick if it did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: QW’s 40 was excellent 40 time is one small part of the metrics used to measure DL athleticism, and possibly the least important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Well played, Phil. I'm fine with QWilliams. I think it's the best pick Maccagnan is capable of making there. Better than taking Allen with both tackles on the board. I think my actual pick would be Burns if Oliver and Bosa were to somehow go 1-2 but that's not happening nor would that be Maccagnan's pick if it did. I like Allen more than you but there is a risk there. Zero risk with QW and tbh no risk with Oliver either at least on the field I’m sure if we draft him he ends up playing interior DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Haha. Breer’s final mock is up and he has the Jets trading back to 15 and picking Noah Fant, which is what my final mock said too. I’m very plugged in Well if there's anybody who's got the means to get me to pass on Oliver it is absolutely Dan Snyder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: 40 time is one small part of the metrics used to measure DL athleticism, and possibly the least important watching oliver change direction is intriguing i admit. he's the type of player the jets haven't had in a while - a finisher, someone who can track down and tackle rather than merely chase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: he did come in for a private visit. but i still don't see this happening at 15. It would be a savvy pick, imo. Fant runs better than every receiver except Marquise Brown and has better triangle numbers than any of the CBs you’d be drafting at that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: 40 time is one small part of the metrics used to measure DL athleticism, and possibly the least important True but the rest of QWs workout was also good to excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 I mean, these are video game custom player numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: True but the rest of QWs workout was also good to excellent Where are those numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Philc1 said: How? Don’t be intentionally dense. You’re already challenging to tolerate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: If Murray falls to #3 I think a team like the Giants or Redskins trades up with the Jets I don't see the Giants trading for Murray. If Murray is at 3, Snyder will do a Ditka for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Paradis said: Don’t be intentionally dense. You’re already challenging to tolerate. Ok, those of us who have been lobbying to draft DL the past few months have gotten ripped for not wanting to trade down to get a Guard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Yeah. Brian Burns not getting any consideration at 3 is odd. Position of need, checks the athletic boxes. But BAP defensive tackle. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: watching oliver change direction is intriguing i admit. he's the type of player the jets haven't had in a while - a finisher, someone who can track down and tackle rather than merely chase. If we went full-time 4-3, it’d be fun to watch Oliver, lined up next to Leonard, torturing guards. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Beerfish said: If it went like that and Jets did not trade down I would strangle mccagnan. You need a team willing to trade up. If Murray is still on the board at 3, I would assume there would be plenty of interest in our pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: 40 time is one small part of the metrics used to measure DL athleticism, and possibly the least important Williams is fine. He's great. I see all the same stuff as everybody else. It's just that we haven't seen that much of it and this is all about degrees of confidence. I view the surplus to requirements thing as more of an issue than with Oliver but Williams still seems like a safe pick with significant upside. It's not what I would do in any plausible scenario for tonight but I would accept it as the best Maccagnan can muster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: Yeah. Brian Burns not getting any consideration at 3 is odd. Position of need, checks the athletic boxes. But BAP defensive tackle. Again. Burns is a 4-3 DE in a 3-4 OLB body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: Yeah. Brian Burns not getting any consideration at 3 is odd. Position of need, checks the athletic boxes. But BAP defensive tackle. Again. Which is what makes Allen with clearly better choices on the board so Maccagnany. Who the **** let that guy into the top five in the first place. I'm guessing not Bosa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Williams is fine. He's great. I see all the same stuff as everybody else. It's just that we haven't seen that much of it and this is all about degrees of confidence. I view the surplus to requirements thing as more of an issue than with Oliver but Williams still seems like a safe pick with significant upside. It's not what I would do in any plausible scenario for tonight but I would accept it as the best Maccagnan can muster. I think that’s the conventional wisdom. Quinnen would be a hearty, loyal gal with fine birthing hips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Where are those numbers? https://fansided.com/2019/03/04/quinnen-williams-nfl-combine/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Yeah. Brian Burns not getting any consideration at 3 is odd. Position of need, checks the athletic boxes. But BAP defensive tackle. Again. Can't see us taking him at 3 but, if we move down slightly (top 10), I'd love to get him. His athletic numbers are terrific, plus he has the production to back up a top 10 selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If we went full-time 4-3, it’d be fun to watch Oliver, lined up next to Leonard, torturing guards. If that’s the plan count me in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Haha. Breer’s final mock is up and he has the Jets trading back to 15 and picking Noah Fant, which is what my final mock said too. I’m very plugged in Do you think its possible he lasts till 15?? I think the Bills might take him as a means to help develop Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 This would be a dream scenario If Murray falls to us. I hope we can trade back 1 spot with the raiders and then hopefully trade back again with the redskins (so they can get ahead of giants for Jones or Haskins) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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