batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I think Darnold is better than Allen, Stidham, and Rosen. The scary thing is that the Jets don’t seem particularly invested in helping Darnold not die before he gets to his second contract while the other teams seem to be doing the opposite Perhaps the jets like the qb class next year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, legler82 said: The potential future advantage we had in the division with regards to the QB position took a hit this off season IMO with Miami acquiring Rosen and New England drafting Stidham. Every team in the division has a young signal caller talented enough to be their franchise QB. Stidham? You must have loved the step back he took this year. Rosen and...ALLEN? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, T0mShane said: I think Darnold is better than Allen, Stidham, and Rosen. The scary thing is that the Jets don’t seem particularly invested in helping Darnold not die before he gets to his second contract while the other teams seem to be doing the opposite I don’t think it’s closer than many might think. In the end their respective organizations might be the deciding factor as you’re inferring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: I was on the Suck For Sam train for 2 years and no amount of 20-20 revisionist bull sh*t history will change that. Mahomes is great but he was not the prospect everyone is now pretending he was. Very happy we have Sam. I like Sam but thought he was going first. I thought we were getting Allen and was it pleased by it. Sam showed me enough in the last four games to cause me to be excited for this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Peace Frog said: Stidham? You must have loved the step back he took this year. Rosen and...ALLEN? lol I don’t evaluate prospects by production; I leave that to the box score scouts. There’s too many variables that impact production. Darnold took a step back in his second year starting in college too; I bet you can find plenty reasons to excuse that because he now in green and white. Up until the day of the draft last year, Rosen and Allen were more of a possibility of being our QB than Darnold ever was now they are lol. You guys truly deserve Macc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, batman10023 said: Football is entertainment. You like Mahomes why not root for him? Seems like many posts are about how great he is. Perhaps you can come back to the jets after mac is gone. I’ve been at this for over 30 years you and Macc aren’t about run me out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, legler82 said: I don’t evaluate prospects by production; I leave that to the box score scouts. There’s too many variables that impact production. Darnold took a step back in his second year starting in college too; I bet you can find plenty reasons to excuse that because he now in green and white. Up until the day of the draft last year, Rosen and Allen were more of a possibility of being our QB than Darnold ever was now they are lol. You guys truly deserve Macc Possibilities and I would not have been happy with either. Sam? Very happy. Hes the QB we deserve. Sad that you disagree. Actually don’t care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, batman10023 said: I like Sam but thought he was going first. I thought we were getting Allen and was it pleased by it. Sam showed me enough in the last four games to cause me to be excited for this year. I thought Sam was going first and really wanted Baker second (well, third). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Peace Frog said: Possibilities and I would not have been happy with either. Sam? Very happy. Hes the QB we deserve. Sad that you disagree. Actually don’t care. RIF (Reading Is Fundamental). When did I disagree about what QB we deserve? That’s not even topic. There’s a distinction between process and result. A bad decision yielding a seemingly good result doesn’t change the bad decision to a good one after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think Darnold is better than Allen, Stidham, and Rosen. The scary thing is that the Jets don’t seem particularly invested in helping Darnold not die before he gets to his second contract while the other teams seem to be doing the opposite You guys get mad at Williams for not putting up ten sacks on his way back to the hotel but don't want Darnold climbing a steep set of stairs without a helmet and kneepads. And WHICH one of them is supposed to actually be good? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Why hasn't Gase put out a statement or done an interview denying these reports? His silence is deafening. Meanwhile, Macc is out there in a spin cycle like a ******* washing machine bc of the backlash of not trading down. He's out there like a man trying to save his job while Gase has been quieter then a Monk. The Daily News is putting out story after story about how much Macc WANTED to help the offense and how he was basically forced to take Quinnen to try to deflect away from another failure from a failed and failing GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just checking in here on page 18 of the thread. Did Gase force Macc out yet? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, legler82 said: I’ve been at this for over 30 years you and Macc aren’t about run me out Well we didn’t get your guy so you can either root for kc or hope that Sam sucks so Mac gets fired and a new gm more to your liking comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, legler82 said: RIF (Reading Is Fundamental). When did I disagree about what QB we deserve? That’s not even topic. There’s a distinction between process and result. A bad decision yielding a seemingly good result doesn’t change the bad decision to a good one after the fact. Lots of people make career shifts in their 40s. Have you considered moving into a scouting role in the nfl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, batman10023 said: Well we didn’t get your guy so you can either root for kc or hope that Sam sucks so Mac gets fired and a new gm more to your liking comes in. Maybe if I had tiny brain that viewed everything in life in the binary fashion the internet does, it would be that simple. But I don’t; sadly, I believe and practice nuance. Soooo, I will stick with my own strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: I thought Sam was going first and really wanted Baker second (well, third). I admit that I thought all of the other qb had faults but I was excited about the potential for a fqb. I did not like our first pick this year but like our second pick. Especially in the spot we got him. But I am a value investor and I think we got a good turnaround candidate for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 8 hours ago, nyjunc said: "The best head coaches know exactly what kinds of players will excel in their systems. That was a critically important yet underplayed reason why the Todd Bowles-Mike Maccagnan relationship ultimately dissolved. Maccagnan often times brought in players at a coach’s suggestion only to ultimately realize that the coach didn’t have a firm handle on what he exactly wanted/needed" https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-20190501-emljtpfzbjce5ee7o6yykcstsu-story.html You can make all the excuses you want, he had more than enough talent to make the playoffs in 2015 and failed and he had talent to win 3-4 more games a year the last couple of years and failed. He was the worst coach we have had since kotite. Macc uses the Daily News to just deflect blame from anything bad that had happened to this team the last 4 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, batman10023 said: Lots of people make career shifts in their 40s. Have you considered moving into a scouting role in the nfl? Have you considered career counseling? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, legler82 said: Maybe if I had tiny brain that viewed everything in life in the binary fashion the internet does, it would be that simple. But I don’t; sadly, I believe and practice nuance. Soooo, I will stick with my own strategy Your posts show very little nuance but that could be my tiny brain thinking. You wouldn’t be the first to question my intelligence nor will you be the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, legler82 said: Have you considered career counseling? As a career probably not given the pay might not be as good as what I have now and it’s probably more of a people person job which isn’t my skill set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, legler82 said: RIF (Reading Is Fundamental). When did I disagree about what QB we deserve? That’s not even topic. There’s a distinction between process and result. A bad decision yielding a seemingly good result doesn’t change the bad decision to a good one after the fact. Ooooh questioning my reading comprehension now. So hurtful. Seemingly. Another millennial tactic. Come with the big guns. What’s the next move in your playbook? Quick, go check the talking points for your next taunt that will crush my soul. Or maybe act like an adult just say you disagree with an opinion. Either one. Don’t care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, choon328 said: Why hasn't Gase put out a statement or done an interview denying these reports? His silence is deafening. Meanwhile, Macc is out there in a spin cycle like a ******* washing machine bc of the backlash of not trading down. He's out there like a man trying to save his job while Gase has been quieter then a Monk. The Daily News is putting out story after story about how much Macc WANTED to help the offense and how he was basically forced to take Quinnen to try to deflect away from another failure from a failed and failing GM. Because he doesn’t care what guys on Jetnation think? I assume that’s why there’s no public statement addressing a rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, choon328 said: Macc uses the Daily News to just deflect blame from anything bad that had happened to this team the last 4 years. Well according to that article, Macc’s 2019 draft and beyond are the only ones he can be judged on as all the previous ones were Bowles’ picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, choon328 said: Why hasn't Gase put out a statement or done an interview denying these reports? His silence is deafening. Meanwhile, Macc is out there in a spin cycle like a ******* washing machine bc of the backlash of not trading down. He's out there like a man trying to save his job while Gase has been quieter then a Monk. The Daily News is putting out story after story about how much Macc WANTED to help the offense and how he was basically forced to take Quinnen to try to deflect away from another failure from a failed and failing GM. How many trade downs occurred in the top 8 picks this year? Zero. Was hard to trade down. I would have loved to trade down and taken two linemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Peace Frog said: Ooooh questioning my reading comprehension now. So hurtful. Seemingly. Another millennial tactic. Come with the big guns. What’s the next move in your playbook? Quick, go check the talking points for your next taunt that will crush my soul. Or maybe act like an adult just say you disagree with an opinion. Either one. Don’t care. If you exhibit reading comprehension, it can’t be questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, batman10023 said: How many trade downs occurred in the top 8 picks this year? Zero. Was hard to trade down. I would have loved to trade down and taken two linemen. It’s especially hard to trade down, when it’s known to the world months before the draft that you are looking to trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: Because he doesn’t care what guys on Jetnation think? I assume that’s why there’s no public statement addressing a rumor. I don’t think folks here get this. Gase does not give a sh*t about the media or social media or anything that doesn’t have to do with putting together a winning team. He said himself he’s not on any social media and doesn’t read it or the paper. Good. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, legler82 said: If you exhibit reading comprehension, it can’t be questioned. Brilliant. Truly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, choon328 said: Macc uses the Daily News to just deflect blame from anything bad that had happened to this team the last 4 years. This is his last year if we don’t go 8-8 or better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, Peace Frog said: Brilliant. Truly. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: I don’t think folks here get this. Gase dies not give a sh*t about the media or social media or anything that doesn’t have to do with putting together a winning team. He said himself he’s not on any social media and doesn’t read it or the paper. Good. That probably why he’s successful in his line of work and we are on a message board discuss career counseling options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, batman10023 said: That probably why he’s successful in his line of work and we are on a message board discuss career counseling options. Is he though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, batman10023 said: That probably why he’s successful in his line of work and we are on a message board discuss career counseling options. Or second quessing everything the FO does with perfect 20-20 hindsight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, legler82 said: If you exhibit reading comprehension, it can’t be questioned. So at work we read a whole bunch of sec filings and public statements etc. understood it well. But our investing decision was incorrect. Is that comprehension or analyze skills that can be questioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Peace Frog said: Or second quessing everything the FO does with perfect 20-20 hindsight. Or setting record expectations that will allow a GM to keep his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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