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Heard Bart Scott all week stating how much he loved Winovich and begging the Jets to take him.  Many posters here as well. Yet when the Jets took Polite, I didnt hear any criticism of not taking Chase Winovich as compared to Jachai Polite. And of course he ends up with New England. 

Is Polite that much better of a prospect at edge than Winovich even with his combine/interview issues? 

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Time will tell. 

Winovich has NE coaching staff. 

Polite has Gregg Williams 

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Winovich probably the safer pick, a cert to be a productive pro in the 8 sack range.

Polite a lottery pick with huge upside, but with higher bust potential. Could be a star, or could flame out.

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Winovich looks like a solid athlete try hard team guy.  Higher floor, lower ceiling.  Polite is a boom or bust.  Polite feels like Bruce Irvin upside - 3rd down specialist coming in on clear passing downs when he can just pin his ears back.  Which is a great find in the 3rd round if he lives up to it.

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Winovich: 4.59/40; 6.94 3c; 4.11 ss

Polite: 4.84/40 at Combine, 5.04 at Pro Day a month later. Didn't do the rest of the testing because of history's worst hamstring pull

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1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

Time will tell. 

Winovich has NE coaching staff. 

Polite has Gregg Williams 

Yes, well documented the success of playing for NE and its coaching staff.

My point is that we had a choice of either player and chose Polite over Winovich when all that was spoken about was the latter. Just curious of why there is not much criticism where most Jets fans love the pick of Polite. 

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7 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

Heard Bart Scott all week stating how much he loved Winovich and begging the Jets to take him.  Many posters here as well. Yet when the Jets took Polite, I didnt hear any criticism of not taking Chase Winovich as compared to Jachai Polite. And of course he ends up with New England. 

Is Polite that much better of a prospect at edge than Winovich even with his combine/interview issues? 

Winovich is a crafty lunch pail type of blue collar player. 

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8 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

IMO Winovich has a higher floor but a much lower  ceiling. The question is do you want a guaranteed (or highly likely) quality player or do you want to shoot the moon and take a risk.  Polite hasn't peaked yet physically, and needs to grow up. Winovich prepares better and has peaked. If Polite can get his act together (and that clearly is a risk), and get in shape he can be a play-maker for the next 5 years. Here is hoping...

Great analysis, thanks 

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Winovich is the typical Patriots late round pick. Most likely will be coached into a great player. Hes gonna be a pain in the a$$ to us for the next decade. 

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1 minute ago, Ohhthepain said:

Winovich is the typical Patriots late round pick. Most likely will be coached into a great player. Hes gonna be a pain in the a$$ to us for the next decade. 

Had the same sinking feeling when he was chosen. Here's to breaking that negative feeling with this draft. Lets hope we got it right and change the dynamics 

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I have always preferred higher floor guys.   They sometimes become better than anyone thought they were capable of.

Meanwhile, boom or busts often wash out of the league in 3 or 4 years.

The Jets have to fill holes on the roster.  Boom or busts are luxury picks.  They can't afford the luxury.  They have to pay the rent.

Cross our fingers and hope Polite works out...

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3 minutes ago, Copernicus said:

Had the same sinking feeling when he was chosen. Here's to breaking that negative feeling with this draft. Lets hope we got it right and change the dynamics 

Cheers to that 

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I could be wrong but Bart was talking up Polite as well at one point. Not sure if it was before the combine.

 

So if this guy doesn’t have an awful combine he goes in 2nd minimum right?

 

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Polite has the higher ceiling.  Winvoich the higher floor.  I am glad we took the risk on the guy with the higher ceiling.  Seems we usually go the safer route.

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Polite wasn't the only one with "perception" problems.  Below is an opinion that has followed Winovich during the predraft process.   All things being equal, I'll take Polite, who admittedly had a faux paus, and has shown contrition, rather than some diva with a lower ceiling, who has yet to play a down in the NFL.  But that's just me.

 

  Winovich is known to have a strong personality, and teams feel that he seems to relish media attention. His social media presence and relationships with other celebrities have teams wondering how his personality will fit in their locker rooms and how he will mesh with NFL coaches. There are a lot of teams that need to acquire young pass-rushing talent, and following a few productive years at Michigan, Winovich should be in demand in a draft class that does not have good pass-rushing depth for the second day of the draft. However, Winovich's personality issues are hurting him, and sources from multiple teams that need to get more pass-rushing help are pushing him lower because of the concerns about how he will mesh in their locker room. 

From surveying five teams, there was a big range for grades on Winovich. The highest that one team source said was they thought Winovich would go in the No. 50-75 range, which would make him a late second-round or early third-round pick. A few other teams said they graded Winovich in Round 3, and the lowest was one team that had him as a fourth- or fifth-rounder.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Personality-Issues-Hurting-Ed-Oliver-and-Chase-Winovich#ixzz5mJXytzFc

 

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1 minute ago, Lith said:

Polite has the higher ceiling.  Winvoich the higher floor.  I am glad we took the risk on the guy with the higher ceiling.  Seems we usually go the safer route.

Yep 

Winovich is more Brooks Reed than Clay Matthews.

My guess is he’ll be a decent starter for a number of years, but Polite has legit 10-12 sack a year potential if he gets his sh*t together.

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6 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Winovich is a crafty lunch pail type of blue collar player. 

- Very scrappy

- High motor

- 1st guy in, last guy out

- Sneaky/Deceptive athleticism 

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1 minute ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

Polite wasn't the only one with "perception" problems.  Below is an opinion that has followed Winovich during the predraft process.   All things being equal, I'll take Polite, who admittedly had a faux paus, and has shown contrition, rather than some diva with a lower ceiling, who has yet to play a down in the NFL.  But that's just me.

 

  Winovich is known to have a strong personality, and teams feel that he seems to relish media attention. His social media presence and relationships with other celebrities have teams wondering how his personality will fit in their locker rooms and how he will mesh with NFL coaches. There are a lot of teams that need to acquire young pass-rushing talent, and following a few productive years at Michigan, Winovich should be in demand in a draft class that does not have good pass-rushing depth for the second day of the draft. However, Winovich's personality issues are hurting him, and sources from multiple teams that need to get more pass-rushing help are pushing him lower because of the concerns about how he will mesh in their locker room. 

From surveying five teams, there was a big range for grades on Winovich. The highest that one team source said was they thought Winovich would go in the No. 50-75 range, which would make him a late second-round or early third-round pick. A few other teams said they graded Winovich in Round 3, and the lowest was one team that had him as a fourth- or fifth-rounder.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Personality-Issues-Hurting-Ed-Oliver-and-Chase-Winovich#ixzz5mJXytzFc

 

Yes. The huge nerd with tier 1 twitch numbers is a diva with a low ceiling.

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Winovich is like Ninkovich reincarnated.  I was hoping we would get him.  I like Polite as well but I think he should have been drafted a round later.

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12 minutes ago, Jetmech said:

I could be wrong but Bart was talking up Polite as well at one point. Not sure if it was before the combine.

 

So if this guy doesn’t have an awful combine he goes in 2nd minimum right?

 

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Good to hear. From his highlight vid and accolades in his conference he looked like a possible first rounder when you factor in the importance  of edge rusher

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Winovich is a crafty lunch pail type of blue collar player. 
Exactly what BB desirrs

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8 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Yes. The huge nerd with tier 1 twitch numbers is a diva with a low ceiling.

How did you read that and come up with "nerd"?   Oh, that's right, it was you reading it...  Never mind.....

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7 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

Polite wasn't the only one with "perception" problems.  Below is an opinion that has followed Winovich during the predraft process.   All things being equal, I'll take Polite, who admittedly had a faux paus, and has shown contrition, rather than some diva with a lower ceiling, who has yet to play a down in the NFL.  But that's just me.

 

  Winovich is known to have a strong personality, and teams feel that he seems to relish media attention. His social media presence and relationships with other celebrities have teams wondering how his personality will fit in their locker rooms and how he will mesh with NFL coaches. There are a lot of teams that need to acquire young pass-rushing talent, and following a few productive years at Michigan, Winovich should be in demand in a draft class that does not have good pass-rushing depth for the second day of the draft. However, Winovich's personality issues are hurting him, and sources from multiple teams that need to get more pass-rushing help are pushing him lower because of the concerns about how he will mesh in their locker room. 

From surveying five teams, there was a big range for grades on Winovich. The highest that one team source said was they thought Winovich would go in the No. 50-75 range, which would make him a late second-round or early third-round pick. A few other teams said they graded Winovich in Round 3, and the lowest was one team that had him as a fourth- or fifth-rounder.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/Personality-Issues-Hurting-Ed-Oliver-and-Chase-Winovich#ixzz5mJXytzFc

 

This makes total sense and fascinates me the ingrained fear that most commentators have in criticizing New England but perfectly fine trashing the Jets.  Take for instance draft night, the commentators describing Polite as compared to Winovich. Polite gets absolutely trashed for a bad interview (this after the excuses for player punching a woman over and over earlier in the draft) fast foward to Winovich who gets praised for seeking out Madonna's daughter for a date at Michigan and this somehow is a positive in the eyes of the NFL.

Cant make this up

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5 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

How did you read that and come up with "nerd"?   Oh, that's right, it was you reading it...  Never mind.....

I didn't read that and come up with nerd. That's from everything else I've seen and read. Think I should toss that and go with this blind item hot take you found?

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7 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I didn't read that and come up with nerd. That's from everything else I've seen and read. Think I should toss that and go with this blind item hot take you found?

Actually, what I posted is the common perception that is out there about Winovich.  The "hot take" as you put it is the nerd thing that you posted.  That's the first time I've heard that, or seen it posted anywhere.  Feel free to post any printed opinion that supports your position.  Should be interesting..  So yeah, toss your "hot take" and walk to the light.

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56 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Winovich is a crafty lunch pail type of blue collar playe

Basically the prototype NE Patriot draft pick.

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3 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

Actually, what I posted is the common perception that is out there about Winovich.  The "hot take" as you put it is the nerd thing that you posted.  That's the first time I've heard that, or seen it posted anywhere.  Feel free to post any printed opinion that supports your position.  Should be interesting..  So yeah, toss your "hot take" and walk to the light.

We're already talking about the personality of a person neither of us has met based upon the opinions of other people neither of us has met and of whom many haven't met him either. And you're doing the old man yells at squirrels thing. So I will just take your word that your take is what everybody thinks and the minority opinion is overrepresented by the materials I've caught on him. You seem credible.

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1 hour ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Winovich is a crafty lunch pail type of blue collar player. 

a real gym rat

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1 hour ago, Ohhthepain said:

Winovich is the typical Patriots late round pick. Most likely will be coached into a great player. Hes gonna be a pain in the a$$ to us for the next decade. 

Seems like a good candidate to be the next Rob Ninkovich....Jet killer and Pat douchebag you just wanna punch in the face 

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1 hour ago, Hael said:

Winovich is like Ninkovich reincarnated.  I was hoping we would get him.  I like Polite as well but I think he should have been drafted a round later.

beat me to it

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1 hour ago, Copernicus said:

Heard Bart Scott all week stating how much he loved Winovich and begging the Jets to take him.  Many posters here as well. Yet when the Jets took Polite, I didnt hear any criticism of not taking Chase Winovich as compared to Jachai Polite. And of course he ends up with New England. 

Is Polite that much better of a prospect at edge than Winovich even with his combine/interview issues? 

I think Polite has a higher ceiling than Winovich since he's more athletic. .

If Polite gets everything together he can be real steal here. Time will tell. I myself would have picked Win at this pick. Gotta love that full time hustle mode.

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6 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

Seems like a good candidate to be the next Rob Ninkovich....Jet killer and Pat douchebag you just wanna punch in the face 

Exactly. Not a physical freak by any means but coachable with high motor and good character. Just an overall pain to play against bc the whole game the casual fan is like "who tf is this guy????" as hes making play after play.

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1 hour ago, Copernicus said:

Heard Bart Scott all week stating how much he loved Winovich and begging the Jets to take him.  Many posters here as well. Yet when the Jets took Polite, I didnt hear any criticism of not taking Chase Winovich as compared to Jachai Polite. And of course he ends up with New England. 

Is Polite that much better of a prospect at edge than Winovich even with his combine/interview issues? 

polite is 3 years younger (21 vs 24) but winovich is the safer prospect. florida pass rushers don’t have a great history in the pros either 

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