The biggest reason Mike McCagnan should be relieved of his duties...

[jamesr]

14 minutes ago, Jamax99 said:

Wow,  acouple years ago Jets had alot of draft picks dont remember  think like 11 ,  I Know we had 4 6rd picks,  and that draft we took 0 - o-line.   A team should grab linemen every year,  line is key to team running good offense. 

2014 - 5 years ago - we had 12 draft picks. 1 pick was OL - Dakota Dozier - and he was one of only two who made it through his rookie deal.

[joewilly12]

Late round potential Pro-Bowlers we had a chance to draft all of them except 1 I think. 

NFL Draft 2019: Late-Round Picks Who Could Become Pro Bowlers

MAURICE MOTONAPRIL 28, 2019

 

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A player's draft position doesn't determine his level of NFL success—a late-round flier can develop into a decorated Pro Bowler.

In 2018, running back Tarik Cohen and tight end George Kittle earned Pro Bowl invites for the first time. During the 2017 draft, both players waited until Day 3 to be selected.

The Chicago Bears took Cohen in the fourth round. Twenty-seven picks later, the San Francisco 49ers selected Kittle. Neither had a standout rookie campaign, but the two late-rounders broke out last year, leading their clubs in yards from scrimmage.

While teams hold high expectations for early-round selections, that outlook isn't confined to blue-chip prospects. Incoming rookies with upside may fall for a variety of reasons and land in ideal situations. Perhaps there's a vacancy in the starting lineup or the player elevates his game as a pro.

Whatever the cause, more Day 3 picks will have a chance to shine in a year or two. Let's take a look at potential unheralded draft gems and why they have a pathway to the Pro Bowl early in their careers.

Kelvin Harmon, WR, Washington Redskins

1 OF 8

 

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The Washington Redskins' passing offense could undergo major changes, starting at quarterback. The club took Dwayne Haskins with the 15th overall selection. If he can pick up the offense without a major issue, the wide receivers will benefit in the next year or two.

The Redskins selected Terry McLaurin, Haskins' 6'0", 208-pound collegiate teammate, in the third round, and they added Kelvin Harmon in the sixth (No. 206). The latter is a bigger target at 6'2", 221 pounds and has a physical nature and ability to separate at the top of his routes. 

Harmon could pose an immediate threat in the red zone while building a rapport with his quarterback, regardless of who's the starter under center. The North Carolina State product has an understanding of how to set up targets with his route-running ability.

Although Harmon will carry the possession-receiver tag, he may emerge as a favorite target because of his tendency to high-point the football and battle for imperfect passes.

Washington doesn't have a clear-cut No. 1 wide receiver, which opens the door for Harmon to leapfrog his teammates.

Hakeem Butler, WR, Arizona Cardinals

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The Arizona Cardinals added three wideouts in this draft: Andy Isabella (second round), Hakeem Butler (fourth round) and KeeSean Johnson (sixth round).

At 6'5", 227 pounds, Butler enters the league with size that draws comparisons to that of Plaxico Burress (6'5", 232 lbs), who also had some focus drops in college similar to the Iowa State product's. The big-bodied pass-catcher may never shake his lapses completely, but he'll garner a lot of attention in the aerial attack.

Assuming Kyler Murray starts under center, the rookie may experience moments when he must toss up a few passes behind a questionable offensive line that will field at least two new starters. In 2018, the Cardinals' pass protection ranked 26th, per Football Outsiders. Butler should be the target for passes thrown under duress. He can win jump-ball situations.

More importantly, Butler's stature will cause defensive coordinators to stay up late to game-plan against him. He can dominate smaller cover men in the slot and stretch the field on the outside for 20- 30-yard receptions. It's a cliche, but size matters, especially for a wide receiver who can haul in difficult catches. The former Cyclone averaged 22 yards per reception last year.

Zach Gentry, TE, Pittsburgh Steelers

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Zach Gentry may take a year or two to reach a Pro Bowl level, but he's capable of doing so with development and progress. He started his Michigan career as a quarterback before he moved to tight end.

On film, Gentry didn't catch the ball cleanly at all times, but he only spent two years at the position. Yet, the former Wolverine still averaged 16.7 yards per reception between his junior and senior seasons. The athletic 6'8", 265-pound tight end will work with an experienced quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger.

The Pittsburgh Steelers just signed Roethlisberger to a two-year extension, which ensures Gentry will have a chance to grow with one of the game's best signal-callers. As the rookie learns the ins and outs of the position, his upside will rise. 

In 2018, tight end Jesse James carved out a sizable role alongside Vance McDonald. Gentry could do the same in the Steelers offense. If he shows enough promise, the fifth-rounder should see an uptick in targets. 

With James now in Detroit, if the front office voids McDonald's deal instead of paying him $7.13 million in 2020, Gentry could become the lead tight end and a playmaker in the passing attack.

Michael Jordan, OG, Cincinnati Bengals

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Michael Jordan lined up at left guard for two years and at center last season for Ohio State. He earned freshman All-American honors, first-team All-Big Ten recognition and second-team All-Big Ten respect in those three years.

At 6'6", 312 pounds, Jordan has a sturdy frame, and he uses his 34¼" arms to keep interior pass-rushers at bay. His balance and body control will allow him to man the pivot if the Cincinnati Bengals want to move fellow Ohio State product Billy Price to guard—a position he played for a good chunk of his collegiate career.

If the coaching staff moves on from left guard Clint Boling, who's in a contract year, Jordan could make a name for himself immediately on the interior. He has three years of starting experience at a powerhouse program, already has an NFL body and shows a mix of fluid movement and power to run and pass block. 

According to the Washington Post, Boling allowed three sacks in 2018. The Bengals have the option to go young with the fourth-rounder if they think quarterback Andy Dalton needs better pass protection on the inside.

Mack Wilson, LB, Cleveland Browns

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The Cleveland Browns drafted Mack Wilson in the fifth round, but he's a solid Day 2 talent based on his tape. The 6'1", 240-pound linebacker shouldn't have limitations, as the coaching staff can use him on all three downs.

Wilson isn't a quick-strike linebacker like Atlanta's Deion Jones but shows functional awareness in coverage. He logged six interceptions and seven pass breakups between his sophomore and junior seasons at Alabama.

Joe Schobert's deal expires at the end of the season. Despite having a Pro Bowl campaign in 2017, the three-year veteran linebacker may become expendable. The Browns can turn to the rookie who has a cheaper contract and a comparable skill set. 

Assuming Wilson's traits translate, he'll likely see action in a limited role in 2019, though his coverage skills are beneficial with an increasing number of spread offenses around the league. The Montgomery, Alabama, native has the potential to put together a breakout season within his first two years.

Julian Love, CB, New York Giants

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New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman double-dipped at cornerback. He traded up to select Deandre Baker with the 30th pick and took Julian Love on Day 3.

The Giants had a need opposite cornerback Janoris Jenkins. They can part ways with him next season if his $14.8 million cap hit becomes a burden. Still, with or without him on the roster, Love should have an opportunity to put his coverage skills on full display.

At 5'11", 195 pounds, Love isn't a good match for bigger receivers, but he can flip his hips and mirror quick-twitch pass-catchers who attempt to shake defenders with double moves. The Notre Dame prospect has the footwork to stay in lockstep with high-end route-runners.

Because he lacks top-notch foot speed, Love may shift inside to the slot, but the move wouldn't compromise his coverage skills. The rookie fourth-rounder can recognize and finish receiver routes, which will allow him to disrupt the passing game on the inside and perimeter. 

Love broke up 36 passes over the last two seasons at Notre Dame. His versatility and ball-tracking skills should lead to an early Pro Bowl season.

Amani Hooker, S, Tennessee Titans

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On the pro level, Amani Hooker won't face scheme limitations because of his size or an inability to play on all three downs. He measured in at 5'11", 210 pounds and ran a 4.48-second 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Hooker can play both safety positions or cover pass-catchers in the slot. At Iowa, the coaching staff moved the versatile defender to various spots and allowed him to make decisions, which indicates a high football IQ. He's not a shy hitter and looks comfortable while playing downhill against the run.

Cornerback Logan Ryan served as the primary slot defender over the last two seasons. While he's decent in that role, the six-year veteran hasn't logged an interception since 2016 with the New England Patriots and logged just eight pass breakups last year. The 28-year-old is heading into a contract season with a $10.7 million cap hit. 

This year or next, Hooker could supplant Ryan. The Iowa product's awareness and ball skills may entice the coaching staff to make the move. The rookie fourth-rounder snagged six interceptions and broke up nine passes over the last two years. He could also emerge as plan B at free safety if there's an issue with coming to terms with Kevin Byard on a new deal soon.

Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, New Orleans Saints

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The New Orleans Saints added a ball hawk on Day 3 in Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. He racked up nine interceptions and 12 pass breakups in three seasons at Florida. The front office didn't use the 105th pick as a flier; there's a need for the rookie's coverage skills.

In 2018, the Saints defense recorded 12 interceptions. The lack of turnovers could burn a unit that leaks on the back end. Defensive coordinator Dennis Allen's group ranked 29th in yards allowed and surrendered 30 touchdowns through the air (22nd). 

Along with issues in pass defense and a low takeaway rate, the Saints have a few questions with their secondary. 

Team brass re-signed cover man P.J. Williams to a one-year deal after an inconsistent season. There's a looming decision on cornerback Eli Apple's fifth-year option. In 2018, Patrick Robinson played 110 snaps with the club because he suffered a broken ankle in Week 3. Safety Vonn Bell has one year left on his deal. 

In an NFC South with Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan and Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Bruce Arians, who likes his teams to throw downfield, the Saints should focus on Gardner-Johnson's development. 

The former Gator has the size (5'11", 210 lbs), speed (4.48-second 40-yard dash) and tackling ability to fill the slot cornerback or safety role alongside Marcus Williams. Because of his ball-tracking skills, he should move up the depth chart and produce in the defensive backfield soon.

[Irish Jet]

I had more of an issue with free agency than the draft. Hilariously I think people wouldn’t have been as mad had we a slightly lower pick and got either and OT or Edge Rusher at 7 or 8. 

The trade down value was lost when Murray went to ARZ. We were probably locked in with Williams, who looks too good to pass up at that position. Safe pick yes but he’s taken risks in round 3. I imagine we’ll no soon enough into camp what sort of players we’ve got there. They make or break the draft.

 

[ECURB]

20 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Exactly.

Once again, the doofus totally ignores all the holes on this team and once again has ensured an incomplete roster and a losing season.

Yeah, but we shouldn't be ambushing Mac today?  Of course we should.  And it shouldn't stop until he is gone.  He is terrible and has not improved one iota from day 1.   Good grief.

You need a Snickers.

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, ECURB said:

How many are starting in the league? Ever think there haven't been many worth drafting? Why do you think teams were fighting over an above average Center in FA? These kids aren't taking starting jobs.

It doesn't matter, you have to actually draft players to build a long term solution at a position.

You're comment proves my point.  No all draftees turn out good, or even good enough so you HAVE to over time use draft captial on them if you want a good position group.

We are fighting over an above average center in Fa because we have never even tried to draft one and have tried to 'get by' with the likes of wes johsnon, spencer ling and now it appears jon harrision (who i happen to think did a good job last year in his limited time.)

[Beerfish]

12 minutes ago, jamesr said:

2014 - 5 years ago - we had 12 draft picks. 1 pick was OL - Dakota Dozier - and he was one of only two who made it through his rookie deal.

John idzik drafted 3 olineman the year before that.  Idzik in 2 years actually drafted 4 oilineman, winters, dozier and aboushi actually have had league time.

McCagnan in 5 drafts has drafted 3 olineman.

 

[joewilly12]

The owners the Johnson brothers have no clue and this equates to the likes of the Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan's having NFL jobs. 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

Preferably you invest day 1 and day 2 picks on them so you develop them yourself.  Shell was a day 3 pick and he’s clearly a below average T.  This is the first draft mccagnan has taken an OL on days 1 or 2, so there’s progress.  

I’d go as far to say OL is the most predictable position when drafting. Sure you can find the lucky late rounders who turn good, but it has to be considerably less than almost every other position. They are less likely to be busts either. Guards and center. When you take a OL in first and 2nd, you likely get a solid starter for years, if not pro bowl caliber. David de Castro was a guy I wanted jets to draft years ago, he was hyped as a cant miss bruiser with intelligence. He is just that. But we had Rex Ryan pushing for D Busts like coples. Quinton Nelson the same. Why colts wanted him so bad, and probably wouldn’t have traded with us had we been further in draft order in 18. 

Shell is what you would expect from a fifth rounder. 

Brian winters is what you would expect from a 3rd rounder. 

I hope next yr the new gm pulls a 06? jet draft. Draft and uses first 2 picks on OL, to anchor the OL around. Having 2 guys like that be there with darnold for next 10 years would huge for him. Instead of a bunch of patchwork guys who will interchange ever 2 years. Shame we had one of best center for years, just not a good qb to appreciate him ha

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

2 hours ago, TeddEY said:

The “usual suspects” had no idea who Jets723 was until he started butt-fumbling every post that didn’t unhinge it’s jaw like an anaconda for Big Maccccc.  But hey, facts and accuracy and all.

Not true Ted.  Every post he made was met by a flurry of butt-fumbles by more than a few.  It became a tit for tat and worse. He was gang raped by a bunch of you guys, who had a personal agenda.  Disagreement is one thing, piling on is another.

The problem is a lot of posters here think that any positive post about any Jets move is an affirmation and endorsement of Mike Maccagnan, and results in a total loss of bowel control by many here.  That is not the case.  Follow the threads if you like and it will bear out what I am saying.

Healthy discourse and debate is one thing.  "Shouting down" and repression of a thought or idea because it differs from that of the "mob" is communism.

[MichaelScott]

19 hours ago, Titan24 said:

Really can we stop? Seriously? Mac’s negligence on OL is real but I can’t stop thinking this board is filled w a ton of millennials who want instant gratification.... but it’s really filled w jets fans who have become millennials and are 40 yrs old+ it’s an amazing thing to sit back and witness 

This board is actually overwhelmingly NOT millennials, if you've spent much time on it

[ECURB]

21 minutes ago, MichaelScott said:

This board is actually overwhelmingly NOT millennials, if you've spent much time on it

It's actually a bunch of non millennials like @TomShane and @Matt39 who like to complain about their feelings.

This is their safe space...but you can call them out and tell them to stop spewing feelings as fact.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, ECURB said:

It's actually a bunch of non millennials like @TomShane and @Matt39 who like to complain about their feelings.

This is their safe space...but you can call them out and tell them to stop spewing feelings as fact.

fake news

[Skeptable]

On 4/27/2019 at 8:43 PM, Beerfish said:

 

30 of the 32 teams in the league in his five year tenure have used at least one 2nd rounder on offensive line.

21 of the 32 teams in the league in his five year tenure have used a 1st rounder on the offensive line.

All of this while drafting Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenburg and finally Sam Darnold to be the teams new young QB.

The offensive line has more position spots on every down than any other position (5)

Just a pathetic dereliction of duty. 

And for those who try and rationalize his lack of oline priority by saying he fills via trades and free agency, every team fills holes that way.  But you always over pay for older vets with issues and those really good players who are young enough in FA there is big competition for.

Think back to the good Jets teams of the last 15 years or so, good to great olines. 

I like the man, he seems nice.  He's a terrible GM.  Fire him already before Sam Darnold is in a cast.

The eagles who have one of the best OL in the league only has 5 to the jets 3

[Creepy Lurker]

4 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

The eagles who have one of the best OL in the league only has 5 to the jets 3

This list doesn’t account for teams that already had solid OL and didn’t need to draft as many. It’s far from a perfect list. It just supports that the Jets(a team with a below average OL), still didn’t draft them when it was in fact a need.

Of course we don’t know all the specifics of all these other teams but it supports the argument that our OL has been neglected (which started before Mac and exactly why it should have been a focus since we were looking for a rookie FQB).

[Simijet]

Here's another disturbing fact: since Ferguson and Mangold were drafted in '06, the Jets have only utilized one 1st or 2nd rounder on an O lineman - Vlad Ducasse was taken in the 2nd in 2010.  Moreover, only Ducasse, Edoga and Winters were drafted before the 4th round.

 

[nyjets1969]

On 4/27/2019 at 8:43 PM, Beerfish said:

 

30 of the 32 teams in the league in his five year tenure have used at least one 2nd rounder on offensive line.

21 of the 32 teams in the league in his five year tenure have used a 1st rounder on the offensive line.

All of this while drafting Bryce Petty, Christian Hackenburg and finally Sam Darnold to be the teams new young QB.

The offensive line has more position spots on every down than any other position (5)

Just a pathetic dereliction of duty. 

And for those who try and rationalize his lack of oline priority by saying he fills via trades and free agency, every team fills holes that way.  But you always over pay for older vets with issues and those really good players who are young enough in FA there is big competition for.

Think back to the good Jets teams of the last 15 years or so, good to great olines. 

I like the man, he seems nice.  He's a terrible GM.  Fire him already before Sam Darnold is in a cast.

You are 100 % right why I hope the rumors are true and Mac is gone soon. Instead of wasting pick on another DT they should have traded back and got Bradbury. The last time the Jets made the playoffs and went to back to back division championships was when the drafted both Mangold and Fergusan in the first round  under Mac this team has one of the worst lines and GM is an idiot to think a backup center is sufficient to protect Darnold and open lane for your 50 million dollar RB. Last year in the third Jets had a shot at Orlando Brown but took a older project DT in shepherd they just draft a potential Franchise QB and They take a project DT instead of protecting their young QB. This year they sign 50 million Dollar RB and spent nothing on the Center pathetic. In 2020 we will picking #1for another QB after Darnold gets either career ending injury or his development is ruined from being sacked 50 times a season.

[Beerfish]

59 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

The eagles who have one of the best OL in the league only has 5 to the jets 3

They had jason peters a multiple time pro bowler for 10 years ala D'Brick.

Lane johnson a staple of their oline was a 1st rounder in 2013.

Peters is done and they took dillard in the 1st round this year and used two 7th rounders on tackles the year before.

Mac doesn't even take late round flyers on oline, he has used four 6th round picks on Cb's

Philly immediately acted this year when their long time great player was done.

[RobR]

14 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Am I wrong or is that 2 draft picks, one Dline convert and 2 FAs? 

That kind of proves we lucked into that line. 

Or we had a GM that prioritized it in the draft with two first rounders and wasn't afraid to go out and get the best FA's available. 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, Skeptable said:

The eagles who have one of the best OL in the league only has 5 to the jets 3

Ya when you have year in year out a top OL, you don’t need to draft as much do ya ? Their OL made nick folk look better than Tom Brady 2 superbowls ago lol

They just drafted one, moved up in the first to take a O tackle. Probably the guy who will step in to replace 9 time pro bowler Jason Peters. 

The point is when you are not a top OL unit every yr you should be near top of that list. Certainly not be dead last ?‍♂️ 

Macs motto with the OL, “ if it’s broke don’t fix it “ 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 hours ago, Simijet said:

Here's another disturbing fact: since Ferguson and Mangold were drafted in '06, the Jets have only utilized one 1st or 2nd rounder on an O lineman - Vlad Ducasse was taken in the 2nd in 2010.  Moreover, only Ducasse, Edoga and Winters were drafted before the 4th round.

 

That is Criminal