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Just now, JiF said:

Other than Peyton Manning, is there anyone anywhere that likes Adam Gase and anything that he does? 

QB's seem to like him, even though not all of them play well under him. 

QB Whisperer he is not.  QB friend, yes.  The other 52 guys.....varying levels of dislike.

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35 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

There should be one or two cut in June from other teams who drafted centers high. Harrison was fine last year. Not a long term solution, but good enough.

I think CB is our bigger area of need. 

 

The Packers drafted Elgton Jenkins in the second round.  I would hope Mac is trying to pry Corey Linsley, 27, away from the Pack for something like a fifth round pick in 2020.  That would be my first choice.

The Vikes took Bradbury in the first round.  Pat Elflein had a terrible 2018 and may actually be cut.  Could be an opportunity for him to turn it around.  They had all sorts of offensive changes midseason so maybe that had an impact on him.

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Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

QB's seem to like him, even though not all of them play well under him. 

QB Whisperer he is not.  QB friend, yes.  The other 52 guys.....varying levels of dislike.

Yes but the combined IQ of the other QB's he's coached is hovering on the high end around 12.  So they technically dont know what they like, tolerate or hate.  They're just trying not to drool on themselves every minute of the day.

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49 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

He's washed.

Not true. The Eagles were playing him at guard because they have a guy who has locked down the starting center position for them. He's been a center for much longer in his career (college or pro) than a guard. It's his natural position. Plus he played the position next to Osemele in Oakland. So he'd even have familiarity with one of the guys next to him. 

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I kind of wonder if Tyler Jones gets a shot at center. Read some speculation he may project there.

Most intriguing UDFA to me. First team all ACC the last two years as NC State’s left tackle - three year starter at LT after starting a few games at RT and LG as a redshirt freshman. Decent athletic testing too.

Short for a tackle which I get, not saying he’s Orlando Pace, but not sure why nobody drafted him to play inside. I think as a team that could use quality OL depth he carves out a roster spot. Would be especially cool if he can take center and run with it.

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1 hour ago, varjet said:

Remember when Bradway thought that he did not need Pete Kendall and that Adrian Clarke could do the job?

Mac is betting his job on this decision.  Very stupid.   I would have taken Michael Jordan or Gaillard. 

Paradis did not want to come here.  They did not like Morse.  Without a second we were not getting Jenkins or McCoy.  Polite is a much better risk than McGovern who can’t pass block.  I will give you all that.  But I think a potential Center was worth it more than some of the other picks.  At least he could say he tried.  

In the Macc press conference, he said that he moved up for Edoga in Round 3 because a couple of the players they liked had been snatched in the prior picks and they didn't want to lose out on Edoga.  My assumption looking at the prior 5-10 picks was that they were planning to draft Connor McGovern and were beaten by Dallas who took him 2 picks earlier.  McGovern had also made a visit to the facility.  So the picks did not work out in their favor.  Not having a round 2 pick eliminated them from Jenkins and McCoy.  And there wasn't enough interest to trade-down from the 3rd pick.

So the net result is that we are screwed a bit here.  I think the Jets know that the oline is a problem right now; uncertainty at the tackle position beyond this year, with limited depth (Edoga helps there, but not entirely), decent at guard positions, but again limited depth (unless a Braden Smith develops), and complete risk at center (unless Toth is ready to compete).  My assumption is that they will explore the trade market and be active during cutdowns for the line.

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53 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

There is a good chance Catanzaro and/or Compton don't make the roster. 

Tom Compton is making this roster.

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1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

Not at all

 

1 hour ago, sourceworx said:

Not true. The Eagles were playing him at guard because they have a guy who has locked down the starting center position for them. He's been a center for much longer in his career (college or pro) than a guard. It's his natural position. Plus he played the position next to Osemele in Oakland. So he'd even have familiarity with one of the guys next to him. 

Here’s why Jason Kelce thinks Eagles lost to Saints in playoffs

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By Mike Kaye | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

PHILADELPHIA -- The Eagles’ offense was on fire during the first two drives of the team’s 20-14 divisional round loss to the New Orleans Saints in January. The Eagles built a 14-0 lead with 4:37 left in the first quarter.

The Eagles wouldn’t score again after that initial burst of efficiency. Center Jason Kelce thinks he knows why the offense failed to retain its momentum throughout the playoff matchup.

“I would argue, maybe, [we were] a hurt right guard away from getting back to the NFC Championship Game,” Kelce said Monday after returning to NovaCare Complex for the start of the offseason program.

Starting right guard Brandon Brooks tore his Achilles with 6:11 left in the first quarter. He was carted off the field and veteran guard Stefen Wisniewski replaced him. The Eagles would go on to score three plays later on a one-yard quarterback sneak from Nick Foles.

Following that scoring drive, the Eagles’ offense faltered for the rest of the game. With instability along the offensive line, Foles failed to find a rhythm. While Wisniewski was a serviceable replacement, he wasn’t on the same level as the two-time Pro Bowl starter.

The Eagles were able to mount a potential comeback drive at the end of the game but a dropped pass by Alshon Jeffery landed in the hands of New Orleans cornerback Marshon Lattimore, causing a costly turnover in the final two minutes and clinching the win for the Saints.

Brooks underwent Achilles surgery shortly after the loss. He is recovering from the procedure and his timetable for a return is unknown.

The Eagles moved on from Wisniewski during free agency. While the veteran is still on the market, the Eagles seem poised to get younger at the position behind Brooks and left guard Isaac Seumalo. With Brooks set to potentially be sidelined for training camp, the Eagles may need to rely on second-year guard Matt Pryor, who failed to appear in a game last season.

“Matt showed a lot of improvement throughout the season, through training camp and into the season,” Kelce said. “He’s a young guy we’re excited about, obviously.”

 

 

I prefer to pass on Stefen Wisniewski. I'd imagine the Jets would have at the very least already brought him in for a kick the tires visit, but they have not. Also the Jets don't have to wait unti May 7th to sign Wisniewski, due to the fact they're not earning compensation picks in the 2020 draft. It's hard to imagine the Jets have Wisniewski in any of their contingency plans at the Center position for next season. .

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2 hours ago, Rsherman28 said:

I do think we will be going into 2019 training camp and someone else other than Jonotthan Harrison will be  starting or at least competing for the starting Center position. 

I don't see what some people say was a "good 8 starts at center last year" 

He finished with a PFF grade of 54.1 in the 8 games as starter which is below average. To compare, that is only 9 points over Spencer Long's below average grade of 45.4. The rest of the line had average grades in 2018 which is hopeful. 

  • Kevin Beachum 65.9 above average
  • Brian Winters 62.6 average
  • Brandon Shell 62.7 average 

Out of the 8 games started he was flagged for offensive holding 4 times. Back to back games with a holding penalty in 11-25 and 12-02. We won 7 out of 8 games while he was starting. All other 3 wins cam with Spencer Long 😔

I would like to bring in Stefen Wisniewski and Donald Penn to compete for starting jobs next year via free agency. 

Potential trade as well for a veteran with 1 year left on there contract. 

  1. Rodney Hudson OAK
  2. Joe Staley 9ers
  3. Bryan Bulaga Packers
  4. Marcus Gilbert Cards

 

 

We did not win 7 out of 8 games last year period. let along with Harrison as starting C.

I may be wrong but I never knew Bulaga was a C. Thought he was a tackle.

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I think people are underestimating Mac's belief in Harrison.  He never showed a dime to either Paradis or Morse.  He probably had a decent sense of where the top centers were going to be slotted in the draft and knew he was out of position barring some sort of low probability trade up.  He should and will bring in competition for training camp but rightly or wrongly he's ready to go with Harrison.  And, that may be one of the issues he and Gase are "disagreeing" about...

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

QB's seem to like him, even though not all of them play well under him. 

QB Whisperer he is not.  QB friend, yes.  The other 52 guys.....varying levels of dislike.

Cutler played well under him

Tannehill played well under him

Manning played his best under him

Hell, he made Tebow a playoff QB, a playoff winner. 

 

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1 hour ago, BettyBoop said:

The Packers drafted Elgton Jenkins in the second round.  I would hope Mac is trying to pry Corey Linsley, 27, away from the Pack for something like a fifth round pick in 2020.  That would be my first choice.

The Vikes took Bradbury in the first round.  Pat Elflein had a terrible 2018 and may actually be cut.  Could be an opportunity for him to turn it around.  They had all sorts of offensive changes midseason so maybe that had an impact on him.

I would have liked for us to have signed UDFA C Tyler Gauthier out of Miami but the Patriots grabbed him with a LOT of money for a UDFA.

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46 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Tom Compton is making this roster.

IMO ABSOLUTELY !

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2 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

This and they also signed the USC center as an UDFA. They also have a decent amount of cap room left and could bring in someone like Wisnewski.

Some centers may now be available post draft for trade or post June 1 cut

Everything I've read about Wisenewski says that, as a starter, he is done. Excellent C in his day but those days are looking like they're long gone.

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look at buffalo's roster they've stockpiled centers. Russell Bodine should shake loose

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41 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Cutler played well under him

Tannehill played well under him

Manning played his best under him

Hell, he made Tebow a playoff QB, a playoff winner. 

 

Yeah but he didn’t win multiple Super Bowls with Tannehill so none of that counts

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44 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

I think people are underestimating Mac's belief in Harrison.  He never showed a dime to either Paradis or Morse.  He probably had a decent sense of where the top centers were going to be slotted in the draft and knew he was out of position barring some sort of low probability trade up.  He should and will bring in competition for training camp but rightly or wrongly he's ready to go with Harrison.  And, that may be one of the issues he and Gase are "disagreeing" about...

Harrison is the starting C

 

He could be another Marquise Goodwin or the next Wesley Johnson we won’t lnow until week 1

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1 hour ago, playtowinthegame said:

 

Here’s why Jason Kelce thinks Eagles lost to Saints in playoffs

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By Mike Kaye | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

PHILADELPHIA -- The Eagles’ offense was on fire during the first two drives of the team’s 20-14 divisional round loss to the New Orleans Saints in January. The Eagles built a 14-0 lead with 4:37 left in the first quarter.

The Eagles wouldn’t score again after that initial burst of efficiency. Center Jason Kelce thinks he knows why the offense failed to retain its momentum throughout the playoff matchup.

“I would argue, maybe, [we were] a hurt right guard away from getting back to the NFC Championship Game,” Kelce said Monday after returning to NovaCare Complex for the start of the offseason program.

Starting right guard Brandon Brooks tore his Achilles with 6:11 left in the first quarter. He was carted off the field and veteran guard Stefen Wisniewski replaced him. The Eagles would go on to score three plays later on a one-yard quarterback sneak from Nick Foles.

Following that scoring drive, the Eagles’ offense faltered for the rest of the game. With instability along the offensive line, Foles failed to find a rhythm. While Wisniewski was a serviceable replacement, he wasn’t on the same level as the two-time Pro Bowl starter.

The Eagles were able to mount a potential comeback drive at the end of the game but a dropped pass by Alshon Jeffery landed in the hands of New Orleans cornerback Marshon Lattimore, causing a costly turnover in the final two minutes and clinching the win for the Saints.

Brooks underwent Achilles surgery shortly after the loss. He is recovering from the procedure and his timetable for a return is unknown.

The Eagles moved on from Wisniewski during free agency. While the veteran is still on the market, the Eagles seem poised to get younger at the position behind Brooks and left guard Isaac Seumalo. With Brooks set to potentially be sidelined for training camp, the Eagles may need to rely on second-year guard Matt Pryor, who failed to appear in a game last season.

“Matt showed a lot of improvement throughout the season, through training camp and into the season,” Kelce said. “He’s a young guy we’re excited about, obviously.”

 

 

I prefer to pass on Stefen Wisniewski. I'd imagine the Jets would have at the very least already brought him in for a kick the tires visit, but they have not. Also the Jets don't have to wait unti May 7th to sign Wisniewski, due to the fact they're not earning compensation picks in the 2020 draft. It's hard to imagine the Jets have Wisniewski in any of their contingency plans at the Center position for next season. .

That was one instance where maybe he mad a negative influence. Many Eagle veterans and watchers felt that when Wiesnewski was in the mine-up regularly, they played better.

The Eagles moved on from Wis because they needed to trim cap space.

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44 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

Everything I've read about Wisenewski says that, as a starter, he is done. Excellent C in his day but those days are looking like they're long gone.

I think Wisniewski would be a last ditch act of desperation. If they don't think Harrison/Toth/Toa (USC) can be the guy, Macc may look to swing a trade with a team that has a surplus/depth at the position.

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2 hours ago, BettyBoop said:

The Packers drafted Elgton Jenkins in the second round.  I would hope Mac is trying to pry Corey Linsley, 27, away from the Pack for something like a fifth round pick in 2020.  That would be my first choice.

The Vikes took Bradbury in the first round.  Pat Elflein had a terrible 2018 and may actually be cut.  Could be an opportunity for him to turn it around.  They had all sorts of offensive changes midseason so maybe that had an impact on him.

Moving him to rt guard, I believe.

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4 hours ago, Rsherman28 said:

I do think we will be going into 2019 training camp and someone else other than Jonotthan Harrison will be  starting or at least competing for the starting Center position. 

I don't see what some people say was a "good 8 starts at center last year" 

He finished with a PFF grade of 54.1 in the 8 games as starter which is below average. To compare, that is only 9 points over Spencer Long's below average grade of 45.4. The rest of the line had average grades in 2018 which is hopeful. 

  • Kevin Beachum 65.9 above average
  • Brian Winters 62.6 average
  • Brandon Shell 62.7 average 

Out of the 8 games started he was flagged for offensive holding 4 times. Back to back games with a holding penalty in 11-25 and 12-02. We won 7 out of 8 games while he was starting. All other 3 wins cam with Spencer Long 😔

I would like to bring in Stefen Wisniewski and Donald Penn to compete for starting jobs next year via free agency. 

Potential trade as well for a veteran with 1 year left on there contract. 

  1. Rodney Hudson OAK
  2. Joe Staley 9ers
  3. Bryan Bulaga Packers
  4. Marcus Gilbert Cards

 

Interesting to hear peoples opinion on what scenario or player they would like to bring in for center this year.  

 

 

Trade back....oooops to late. Maybe next year. Wouldn’t count on it.

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1 hour ago, bitonti said:

look at buffalo's roster they've stockpiled centers. Russell Bodine should shake loose

Well, we know one of them stinks.😎

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2 hours ago, sourceworx said:

Not true. The Eagles were playing him at guard because they have a guy who has locked down the starting center position for them. He's been a center for much longer in his career (college or pro) than a guard. It's his natural position. Plus he played the position next to Osemele in Oakland. So he'd even have familiarity with one of the guys next to him. 

Wisniewski hasn't played for the Raiders for a longtime, and never played With K Osemele.(R Hudson was the center) .     S Winiewski was a better guard than center.    Wisniewski had trouble snapping when the Raiders were in the shotgun.( that was a long time ago, and don't know if he fixed that problem) .

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We may get Pat Elflein after he gets cut.  He graded out as the worst starting center last year and Minn went center in the first round this year.

He was a fav here of some JN experts I remember. 

JN experts have so many busts on their resumes.

 

 

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Any chance that Leo or Lee could be dealt for a C that another team is willing to part with, like a quality guy but they have a younger, cheaper alternative ready to step up?  Green Bay?

BTW, read up a bit on Elfein. Former third round pick, 24 years old. Been dinged up a bit with injuries, but has not played well, esp. pass blocking.  Effort has been questioned, which is never a good thing.  He'd be worth a look if the Vikes dump him, but I wouldn't want to give much. Maybe he needs to get healthy and get an ornery OL coach.  He's from OSU, so maybe Mangold could have a talk with him, beat him up, etc.

If Mac buys enough lottery tickets, maybe a decent C will emerge.

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1 hour ago, Raideraholic said:

Wisniewski hasn't played for the Raiders for a longtime, and never played With K Osemele.(R Hudson was the center) .     S Winiewski was a better guard than center.    Wisniewski had trouble snapping when the Raiders were in the shotgun.( that was a long time ago, and don't know if he fixed that problem) .

I've seen this movie before. Hard pass. 

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7 hours ago, bitonti said:

look at buffalo's roster they've stockpiled centers. Russell Bodine should shake loose

Of course he should..... he blows. That's why Cincy axed him.

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6 hours ago, section314 said:

Well, we know one of them stinks.😎

Psssst .......It's Bodine.

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Could Qvale play some Center? He could be adequate. He is terrible laterally but good north and south. Might fit him better than RT.

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7 hours ago, dcJet said:

We may get Pat Elflein after he gets cut.  He graded out as the worst starting center last year and Minn went center in the first round this year.

He was a fav here of some JN experts I remember. 

JN experts have so many busts on their resumes.

 

 

All indications out of Minny is that Elflein is moving to guard. I don't think he is getting cut. 

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