Under Construction; How Close are Jets to Completing Rebuild?

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A massive spending spree from Jets GM Mike Maccagnan and a top three draft pick mean the Jets have added plenty of players this off-season.  Where will they fit and how does the roster look with the draft behind us?  Alex Varallo and Glenn Naughton take a look while discussing what they believe is the biggest question for the Jets heading in to 2019 while acknowledging some of their past (very) cold takes. Listen to the number one New York Jets Podcast and be sure to follow @JetNation Radio on Twitter.

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[LAD_Brooklyn]

No one can answer that at the moment. It all depends on what our new GM is 2020 does. 

[Peace Frog]

Very close. 

The QB and the new coach will make all the difference. 

[SAR I]

It’s done. We’re a playoff team right now.  From here-in we are merely ‘building’.

SAR I

[The Crimson King]

Championship teams have a number of all pro candidates and pro bowl players

Not enough of those on the roster yet

[GreenFish]

13 minutes ago, The Crimson King said:

Championship teams have a number of all pro candidates and pro bowl players

Not enough of those on the roster yet

CJ, Jamal, and Bell are all-pro type of players. Leo has made the pro bowl but he needs to up his game to get back to that. How many is enough? I’m with you by the way. Just wondering how many more you think. I think another top end player on the offensive line and at corner will do trick. Plus another solid edge.

[GreenFish]

As long as Darnold takes the sophomore jump, this team will compete for the playoffs this year. 

However, we are still a few pieces (edge, corner, and center) away from being serious contenders. 

[Bleedin Green]

Remaining steps for the rebuild:

Step 1:  Fire Mike Maccagnan

Step 2:  Hire anyone not named Mike Maccagnan

Seriously, being in year 5 of rebuild, coming off the worst season yet, and having multiple still completely unaddressed holes on the roster, there is absolutely no reason to believe it will ever end while repeating the same proven failures.

[Philc1]

New owner

[The Crimson King]

50 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

CJ, Jamal, and Bell are all-pro type of players. Leo has made the pro bowl but he needs to up his game to get back to that. How many is enough? I’m with you by the way. Just wondering how many more you think. I think another top end player on the offensive line and at corner will do trick. Plus another solid edge.

Good thinking, agree en toto.

Another OL, but one (or two) of top notch quality, a CB to shut 'em down and it would be nice if Polite was the answer at edge. Maybe a #1 WR?

I'd even watch the Pro Bowl with all these Jets

[JetFaninMI]

I don't think they are as close as some think. There is some promise and I think .500 is within reach. Line play on both sides of the ball will be the major factor IMO and it will dictate the success or failure of the team this year. Generate a pass rush and protect Sam. If those things happen the team will excel. If not it's going to be a long season.

 

 

 

[cant wait]

if both of the jets 3rd round picks hit then this team is ready to compete now IMO

[NYJ1]

Well, the Jets are at least 3 players (WR, CORNER, CENTER) and depth away from even competing for a SB. Right they are still very much in rebuilding mode. They'll be lucky to win 8 games in 2019.

[cant wait]

3 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

I don't think they are as close as some think. There is some promise and I think .500 is within reach. Line play on both sides of the ball will be the major factor IMO and it will dictate the success or failure of the team this year. Generate a pass rush and protect Sam. If those things happen the team will excel. If not it's going to be a long season.

 

 

 

my thoughts exactly. if we get lucky and polite & edoga are effective starters this team should have enough depth to compete immediately

[Vader]

Super Bowl window begins now.

[NYJ1]

None of this is even in the conversation unless the DRAFTING improves dramatically. It bears mentioning again Mac is terrible at drafting players. After 4 years his yield stinks. Unless Mac actually darts doing his job, this team will never even make the playoffs.

[Maxman]

For anyone that wants to listen.

 

[cant wait]

7 minutes ago, Vader said:

Super Bowl window begins now.

gotta use the rookie QB contract years while you can. chicago and cleveland both made splash trades after their QB’s rookie season - jets need to consider trying to acquire a difference maker while they have the extra cap space advantage 

[peebag]

The Jets are always two years from being championship competitive

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said:

Remaining steps for the rebuild:

Step 1:  Fire Mike Maccagnan

Step 2:  Hire anyone not named Mike Maccagnan

Seriously, being in year 5 of rebuild, coming off the worst season yet, and having multiple still completely unaddressed holes on the roster, there is absolutely no reason to believe it will ever end while repeating the same proven failures.

5? I think the number your looking for is 50. The jets have been rebuilding for 50 years.

Did you know since 1960 the jets have won there division (AFC east) 4 times. (68,69,98, 02)

Words can't describe how pathetic that really is. Especially when you consider that the Pat's have won the division 10 years in a row.  Brady has won the division 16 times. The jets franchise has only won the division 4 times.

In 59 years the jets have won 4 division titles.

Go Jets!

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

1 hour ago, NYJ1 said:

Well, the Jets are at least 3 players (WR, CORNER, CENTER) and depth away from even competing for a SB. Right they are still very much in rebuilding mode. They'll be lucky to win 8 games in 2019.

They really had 8 games won in 2018....that would have happened with ANY other Coach.  Glad it didn’t, because with an 8-8 record a sign of “progress”, the Johnsons would have kept that idiot for the rest of Darnold’s career as he would be leading playoff runs in-spite of Bowles and Maccagnan.  Now there is just 1 left, and he’s here to stay, for a long time...on PURE LUCK...his luck goes by the name Gettleman.

There will be 10 wins this year and a Wildcard berth.

[Villain The Foe]

7 hours ago, GreenFish said:

CJ, Jamal, and Bell are all-pro type of players. Leo has made the pro bowl but he needs to up his game to get back to that. How many is enough? I’m with you by the way. Just wondering how many more you think. I think another top end player on the offensive line and at corner will do trick. Plus another solid edge.

The pro bowl/all pro type players are mostly on defense. Sure, we got Bell, this year, but the constant investment is always defensively, which is the problem given that we also put premium picks into the defense as well. ironically (and unfortuntely) the free agency signings are generally the same as our draft position picks as well, which means that we're picking bad rookies or not developing the rookies, then we have to replace them with high priced free agents. Meanwhile, the offense generally is getting no top talent. No all pro's or pro bowlers. Who was the last all pro offensive player we drafted????

Here's the list of pro bowl/all pro caliber players we got in free agency since Macc has been the GM. 

Free Agents

2019: CJ Mosley, Bell

2018: Trumaine Johnson

2017: Nothing (Terrible Free Agency that season by Macc)

2016: Matt Forte

2015: Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie.

 

As we can see, the best RB's are always someone else's RB that we got from FA, which makes sense given that the Jets never seriously invest in the offense or in the RB position. 

And for the fact that during the 9 defensive players taken before drafting Darnold, 4 of them being defensive backs, it's sad to see that 3 of the high level free agents are defensive backs, which means that our draft didnt pan out. 

 

You asked "how many is enough". It'll be enough when we start drafting all pro's and pro bowlers on the offensive side of the ball so we can actually score points and win games. 

 

Our record is poor because we dont score points. We keep thinking that if we stop the other team from scoring it'll allow us to win games with our poor offense. It has yet to happen because we have no probowl or all pro talent on offense. 

Sam Darnold has that ability, but he has complementary players around him at best, and Bell is going to see 8 in the box for the first time in his career now that he's a Jet. 

The Jets need talent on offense as well, then it will be enough. 

[kdels62]

The rebuild is mostly complete. My problem with Macc is that I don’t think he knows that there isn’t a big red sign that says “team complete proceed to win games.” 

The team this year is good, almost playoff good (depends on Darnold’s improvement) but next year it might not be. We stand to lose Leo, Jenkins, Beachum, Shell, Robby Anderson, McClendon, Lee, Copeland and Luvu. Not all those guys are huge loses but they are depth and good teams need depth.

So we’ll be going into 2020 with $50 Million in Cap space and I’d like to see Macc be proactive about the team’s assets. Extend Robby now, know when to trade or pay Leo, lock up good o-line depth- these are areas that Macc has failed at before and I don’t want to see it again.

[Lizard King]

How long has it been since we had the Tuna? 2019 - 1998 = 21 years. Which is awhile. The merger having completed in 1970 was 49 years as of this year. So if you look at it as 21 years out of 49, have to be close. Or it’s an unbreakable trend. 

[jgb]

Which phase?

[rangerous]

7 hours ago, The Crimson King said:

Championship teams have a number of all pro candidates and pro bowl players

Not enough of those on the roster yet

teams make their own pro bowl players.  you're not going to find many of these players coming from losing programs.  good team play will turn good players into very good or even great players.  as far as the jets go, they haven't had too many players who give the other teams fits of late.  on offense they have bell and darnold should be much better.  on defense there's adams and leo and now mosley. johnson should be much better than last season.  and q williams should be worthy of the third pick.  so while you can say there are holes and not many pro bowl players, they have players that can be integral parts of a winning team.

[Losmeister]

8 hours ago, SAR I said:

It’s done. We’re a playoff team right now.  From here-in we are merely ‘building’.

SAR I

it's done . it was all deception, the browns won last years superbowl and mayfiled and obj were joint mvp

[joewilly12]

The job isn't done until we win a Super Bowl. 

[Jetster]

Jets history is filled with losing seasons because they always settled on QBs, when that's the most important player on the field. 

We tried to resurrect so many QB careers it's ridiculous instead of drafting our own stud. 

[ZachEY]

Oh man, if we lose to the Bills week one, this place is gonna look like Heaven’s Gate.  Get your Nike’s ready.

[BROOKLYN JET]

Should be close right around the time we release the new new uniforms.

[dbatesman]

22 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Oh man, if we lose to the Bills week one, this place is gonna look like Heaven’s Gate.  Get your Nike’s ready.

“The plan was always to lay a foundation this year and start competing in 2020.”

[FidelioJet]

The defense has enough to be competitive.

We need a legitimate #1 WR and two upgraded OL.

They are that close though.



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24:25:31

[NYs Stepchild]

It's all on Darnold now.

These discussions are interesting but in reality it all comes down to the QB. 

They make other players, coaches, and GMs look like geniuses or idiots. 

[Smashmouth]

9 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Remaining steps for the rebuild:

Step 1:  Fire Mike Maccagnan

Step 2:  Hire anyone not named Mike Maccagnan

Seriously, being in year 5 of rebuild, coming off the worst season yet, and having multiple still completely unaddressed holes on the roster, there is absolutely no reason to believe it will ever end while repeating the same proven failures.

This is NOT year 5 of a rebuild so please stop saying that. It's obvious to anyone without blind hatred of this GM we are in year 3 and should be expected to make the playoffs. 

In years one and two it was obvious this owner thought we could still make a run with some of the pieces we had in place, he was wrong after that failure we cleaned house of all the old vets and started the rebuild. We got rid of our imbecile HC and replaced him with a young offensive mind and a proven DC. Lets see how our draft pans out and if this team can move forward with a playoff berth.