If the Jets go 9-7 or better, who gets the credit

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, jamesr said:

Not necessarily. There's a great quote from The Producers that sums this one up, for me at least:

You can actually do your best to fail and still end up succeeding, Not suggesting Macc is doing this on purpose, but if it works does it become a blueprint for other teams to follow?

Sounds good except I was answering someone who said if they go 9-7 it's because of the players.  The players that were drafted by Macc.  The situation doesn't fit.  I would bet against the idea that if the Jets go 9-7, 10-6, 11-4 that Macc and Gase don't get tons of props and no one is saying Macc had nothing to do with it.  Especially try to make it out to be a situation where he did his best to fail and somehow found. success.  

9-7, 10-6, 11-4 and I could care less who doesn't give either credit.  There will be some that whine even with any of those win totals for 2019. 

[Jet Nut]

51 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

10 wins and no playoffs = 2015

Sorry, I'm NOT celebrating another season without the Jets making the playoffs. It likely means the Jets didn't have a good enough record in their division and their conference for them to not get a wild card spot with 10 wins. Still, you go ahead and pat the Jets on the back for 10 wins and no playoffs after you finished watching the Bills with nothing to play for beat the Jets in week 17. Groundhogs Day!

Who cares about 2015.  Has nothing to do with it.  We go from 4 wins to 10 and you're whining that we didn't make the playoffs you'll sound clueless.  It's not a fluke trip to the playoffs, it's how they play.  Are they improving and the talent there and developing.  To get all that worked up about playoffs and make fun of anyone who's ok with the 10 wins.  

[nyjunc]

22 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Or both? 

Both, macc put a talented team together and Gase for coaching them up.  Remember, macc didn't hire Bowles so while we have plenty to complain about now he gets a chance to have his players coaches by a competent HC.

[More Cowbell]

I don't  see a clear answer here. If we win because Darnold is lighting it up and Bell is running wild, Mac and Gase would both get the credit.  If we are winning because the D is suffocating  the other teams, Mac and CJ get credit for bringing in William's. If we are winning purely on smart play design by getting the most out of players like Anderson, Q, Herndon, or anyone that doesn't  normally play a major role, then Gase gets the credit

 

It all depends how we win these games. 

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

I don't  see a clear answer here. If we win because Darnold is lighting it up and Bell is running wild, Mac and Gase would both get the credit.  If we are winning because the D is suffocating  the other teams, Mac and CJ get credit for bringing in William's. If we are winning purely on smart play design by getting the most out of players like Anderson, Q, Herndon, or anyone that doesn't  normally play a major role, then Gase gets the credit

 

It all depends how we win these games. 

Anderson, Q, Herndon were brought in by who?  Two of them are already favorites.  How do you not give Macc at least a part of the credit for the players who he brought in and were contributors to the teams success?

[The Crimson King]

No vote because the credit or blame lies with who is between the lines when the ball snaps

This is PRO football, not Pop Warner

[playtowinthegame]

23 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Who cares about 2015.  Has nothing to do with it.  We go from 4 wins to 10 and you're whining that we didn't make the playoffs you'll sound clueless.  It's not a fluke trip to the playoffs, it's how they play.  Are they improving and the talent there and developing.  To get all that worked up about playoffs and make fun of anyone who's ok with the 10 wins.  

You're a fool for calling me clueless because I won't give credit for another 10 win season without the playoffs. The reason the 2015 season has relevance is because it was the Mac's first season as the Jets GM and just before the 2015 season Mac went on a free agency spending spree just like he recently did this off-season. The only difference is a young Sam Darnold instead of the journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick. So unless Darnold steps up and takes a Goff like jump in his second year in the league the 2019 would/could be reminiscent to 2015 if the Jets won 10 games without making the playoffs in the first season with a new coach...even more similar with a loss to the Bill in week 17 with the playoffs on the line again and the Jets quarterback having a poor game.

[playtowinthegame]

48 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

I could care less who doesn't give either credit.

You care, hence you created this thread genius.

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Anderson, Q, Herndon were brought in by who?  Two of them are already favorites.  How do you not give Macc at least a part of the credit for the players who he brought in and were contributors to the teams success?

All they did was flash so far. If we get a solid year of production,  Gase plays a larger role in that by putting them in a position to succeed. Herndon possibly  could be a player who succeeds no matter who he plays for in the same way Gates or Gonzo were but I would say Q and Anderson need help fromnthebscheme and play calling

[Jet Nut]

23 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

You're a fool for calling me clueless because I won't give credit for another 10 win season without the playoffs. The reason the 2015 season has relevance is because it was the Mac's first season as the Jets GM and just before the 2015 season Mac went on a free agency spending spree just like he recently did this off-season. The only difference is a young Sam Darnold instead of the journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick. So unless Darnold steps up and takes a Goff like jump in his second year in the league the 2019 would/could be reminiscent to 2015 if the Jets won 10 games without making the playoffs in the first season with a new coach...even more similar with a loss to the Bill in week 17 with the playoffs on the line again and the Jets quarterback having a poor game.

They win 10, id bet they make the playoffs.  If they don't to complain would be silly..  To complain that they went from 4 wins to 10 and it wasn't enough would be ridiculous.  Just as comparing a young team with a 2nd year QB to a team of vets led by Fitz is totally different situation.  Darnold leads them to 10 wins I'll be happy.  Being in a playoff hunt for 17 weeks, each game having playoff implications and watching the team win 10 games would be great and mean were moving forward.  Im not complaining if that happens.

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

20 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

Wait... we started ANOTHER rebuild?  

It seems everyone heard about this but me....  

Ah... I did not know that!  

Yup.  New coaching staff, new players, new rebuild.  Started the day after "Toilet" left town.  Sorry that you and @Jetsfan80 missed the press release.,,,?

[thebuzzardman]

20 hours ago, CanadaSteve said:

It's called playing a team sport.  You win together, you lose together.

You sort of missed the joke. 

 

[Dunnie]

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[Jet Nut]

On 5/12/2019 at 8:51 PM, Jetsplayer21 said:

Some Mac fan boys will blame darnold if he doesn’t have a great season, without factoring in he had one of the worst time to throw protection in nfl ?‍♂️That would obviously be 100% macs fault 

Top half in the NFL for pass protection, top ten in fewest hits.  Where do you get this from?

[rangerous]

On 5/12/2019 at 10:31 AM, T0mShane said:

Gase. If they do it while six or seven players go to the Pro Bowl? Then Macc gets the apology

agree with this.  mac will get credit if there are a bunch of pro bowlers from this group.  if they just go 9-7 without much fanfare then gase gets the nod.

[BettyBoop]

On ‎5‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 12:13 PM, Jet_Engine1 said:

9 wins would be amazing. This team has won 14 games in 3 seasons. Possible? Sure. But in reality unlikely

8-8 would be a huge success, doubling last years win total would be big.  

 

 

Totally agree.  It's remarkable how many "playoffs or they're fired" rants there are.  I think the key is not only going 8-8, but we need to see a few of the young guys step up to fill roles/backups.  For example, if Eli McGuire and Parry Nickerson get playing time and prove they will be ready to take over starting roles in two seasons, that would be a huge step forward.  If Sheppard and/or Fotukasi prove they can provide depth on the DL, that would be huge.  

[RichardTodd27]

I want to see how Q, Polite & Edoga look this year. If they look legit, Macc deserves credit and the right to keep his job (even if the Jets go 8-8)

[Jet Nut]

29 minutes ago, BettyBoop said:

Totally agree.  It's remarkable how many "playoffs or they're fired" rants there are.  I think the key is not only going 8-8, but we need to see a few of the young guys step up to fill roles/backups.  For example, if Eli McGuire and Parry Nickerson get playing time and prove they will be ready to take over starting roles in two seasons, that would be a huge step forward.  If Sheppard and/or Fotukasi prove they can provide depth on the DL, that would be huge.  

Someone said that if they win 10 and dont make the playoffs should be firings, disappointment.  After 4 wins, 10 isnt enough, LOL

[BettyBoop]

57 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said:

I want to see how Q, Polite & Edoga look this year. If they look legit, Macc deserves credit and the right to keep his job (even if the Jets go 8-8)

Agreed Richard.  I would add to that previous years picks, such as McGuire and Nickerson.  For sixth round picks, I think they performed admirably.  Especially when you consider the OL and lack of receivers (when Anderson and Q were out) and a rookie QB, I think McGuire showed something.  Same with Derrick Jones who may be Mac's best late round pick.  I'm also not so quick to write off Sheppard and Fotukasi.  They were rookies, albeit one was a 25 year old rook!  Most posters say it takes three years to evaluate a draft class but want to write off second year guys immediately. 

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Top half in the NFL for pass protection, top ten in fewest hits.  Where do you get this from?

Did you leave out sacks for a reason ? Everywhere I look we are near bottom. Sure would like to see what your looking at. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17

[Jet Nut]

8 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Did you leave out sacks for a reason ? Everywhere I look we are near bottom. Sure would like to see what your looking at. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17

They were ranked in the top half of all OLs in the NFL.  

From the site you linked to.  The 115 hurries was pretty good.  5th fewest hurries according to their numbers. 

Not the run for your life scenario some keep crying over and repeating in any and every OL conversation.  

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-pass-blocking-efficiency 

T-14. NEW YORK JETS

2018 pass-blocking efficiency: 85.5

Heading into 2018, the Jets’ offensive line was correctly pegged as an underwhelming unit that was made up of average-level veterans. At the end of 2018, they met expectations. They allowed 17 sacks, 19 hits, and 115 hurries from their 581 passing plays in 2018.

 

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

15 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Did you leave out sacks for a reason ? Everywhere I look we are near bottom. Sure would like to see what your looking at. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17

 Granted the line was garbage last year, but giving up sacks was the least of their problems.  Actually "protecting" the quarterback was a bright spot.   They were tied for twentieth in the league in sacks allowed,  not a bad statistic.  Whether it was Sam's agility and ability to avoid the rush or the result of adequate protection, he wasn't "running for his life" as much as many others in the league.

 

RK	TEAM	ATT	COMP	PCT	YDS	YDS/A	LONG	TD	INT	SACK	YDSL	RATE	YDS/G
1	Houston	506	345	68.2	3781	8.2	73	26	9	62	384	102.9	236
2	Dallas	527	356	67.6	3538	7.4	90	22	8	56	347	96.7	221
3	Green Bay	640	392	61.3	4238	7.2	75	25	4	53	391	93.7	265
	Jacksonville	536	329	61.4	3109	6.4	80	15	13	53	322	79.1	194
5	Oakland	556	382	68.7	3751	7.3	66	19	10	52	306	93.6	234
	Miami	455	292	64.2	2900	7.3	75	26	13	52	409	93.0	181
	Arizona	495	283	57.2	2523	5.8	75	15	18	52	361	69.0	158
8	Seattle	427	280	65.6	3093	8.1	66	35	7	51	355	110.9	193
9	San Francisco	532	331	62.2	3867	8.0	85	26	20	48	380	87.8	242
10	Tennessee	437	293	67.0	2975	7.4	66	16	12	47	280	89.8	186
	NY Giants	583	382	65.5	4047	7.6	58	23	12	47	358	92.7	253
12	Washington	509	311	61.1	3021	6.5	79	16	15	44	266	78.1	189
13	Atlanta	617	428	69.4	4653	8.0	75	36	7	42	296	108.0	291
14	Buffalo	499	271	54.3	2794	6.2	75	13	23	41	288	62.6	175
	Detroit	574	375	65.3	3576	6.7	67	22	12	41	268	88.5	224
	Tampa Bay	625	408	65.3	5125	8.6	75	36	26	41	233	94.1	320
17	Minnesota	606	425	70.1	4036	7.1	75	30	10	40	262	99.7	252
	Philadelphia	599	422	70.5	4275	7.6	83	29	11	40	249	100.8	267
19	Cleveland	574	353	61.5	4007	7.4	71	29	17	38	254	88.8	250
20	Cincinnati	542	331	61.1	3290	6.6	49	27	13	37	279	87.0	206
	NY Jets	524	299	57.1	3165	6.5	76	18	19	37	239	73.0	198
22	Denver	588	367	62.4	3695	6.7	64	19	15	34	235	82.1	231
	LA Chargers	512	348	68.0	4089	8.4	75	32	12	34	227	104.9	256
24	Chicago	512	344	67.2	3564	7.3	70	28	14	33	183	95.4	223
	LA Rams	568	368	64.8	4507	8.3	70	32	12	33	223	100.7	282
26	Carolina	563	378	67.1	3836	7.2	82	28	16	32	235	92.9	240
	Baltimore	556	334	60.1	3558	6.7	74	18	9	32	150	84.0	222
28	Kansas City	583	385	66.0	4955	8.8	89	50	12	26	171	113.8	310
29	Pittsburgh	689	459	66.6	5008	7.5	97	35	17	24	166	95.5	313
30	New England	574	378	65.9	4258	7.7	63	29	11	21	147	97.8	266
31	New Orleans	519	381	73.4	4042	8.0	72	33	7	20	132	112.3	253
32	Indianapolis	644	432	67.1	4461	7.1	68	39	15	18	134	98.2	279

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks

[Jetsplayer21]

22 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

They were ranked in the top half of all OLs in the NFL.  

From the site you linked to.  The 115 hurries was pretty good.  5th fewest hurries according to their numbers. 

Not the run for your life scenario some keep crying over and repeating in any and every OL conversation.  

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-pass-blocking-efficiency 

T-14. NEW YORK JETS

2018 pass-blocking efficiency: 85.5

Heading into 2018, the Jets’ offensive line was correctly pegged as an underwhelming unit that was made up of average-level veterans. At the end of 2018, they met expectations. They allowed 17 sacks, 19 hits, and 115 hurries from their 581 passing plays in 2018.

 

lol ok. I don’t see why some fans accept a average at best OL, with not much youth at all. Darnold’s agility and ability to escape the pocket is a major reason why the O didn’t look that bad. If we had a statue like Eli, it may have been Ranked the worse. Point is, I think darnold will be a better qb not always being pushed out of the pocket.. Just providing the bare minimum for him is not the best idea to build a franchise qb 

[Jet Nut]

8 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

lol ok. I don’t see why some fans accept a average at best OL, with not much youth at all. Darnold’s agility and ability to escape the pocket is a major reason why the O didn’t look that bad. If we had a statue like Eli, it may have been Ranked the worse. Point is, I think darnold will be a better qb not always being pushed out of the pocket.. Just providing the bare minimum for him is not the best idea to build a franchise qb 

New point, new direction.  No one said they were happy or accepting of average.  Actually from your site theyre better than average.  Theyre not particularly old.  

The point was he wasn't running for his life.  Keep hearing how he was and he wasnt.  115 hurries left him around 4th or 5th least hurried QB.  Not hit, hurried.  Agility isnt in the equation.  Plus McCown played 4 games.   I get it, we all do, no pressure is the goal, 115 hurries isnt a fire drill though

[jamesr]

Need an option for "whoever the new GM is"!