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Just now, T0mShane said:

It’s going to be Joe Douglas, whom Gase wants. This release is just to make it look like they didn’t knife Maccagnan to bring in the coach’s guy

not to mention, didn't chris say that they were trying to model developing darnold and get weapons around him like the eagles did for wentz?  

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Just now, Pac said:

Cant wait for the real story to come out..  the timing of this is so incredibly stupid it defies all logic.

Chris Johnson looks like a blithering idiot..  wow.

when they fired bowles and hired gase, it was as if mccagnan was on probation, not only for his FA and draft but for his ability to agree with gase.  

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1 minute ago, RSJ said:

I dont have an issue with firing Mac. But Adam Gase is now going to be placed with a GM who didnt pick him AND you just let Mac spend 100m and run the draft. Unreal.


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seems like the rumor is that he'll be paired with Douglas who he likes so that would be good.

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Eagles VP of Player Personnel Joe Douglas is believed to be the front-runner for the Jets' general-manager vacancy.

Douglas has been with the Eagles since 2016. He spent 2015 with the Bears alongside Adam Gase, who was Chicago's offensive coordinator that season and is now the Jets' head coach. The two reportedly have a strong relationship, something Gase and now-fired GM Mike Maccagnan didn't have in New York. Whoever gets the GM job knows Gase has plenty of power with the Jets.

 

from rotoworld

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1 minute ago, Scoop24 said:

It looks  like the plan is to hire Gates friend the eagles . To be the gm

you have to wonder how long this plan was in effect and to what extent gase had influence in FA given that he probably knew his guy was going to come in after the draft.

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3 minutes ago, jack48 said:

A lot of conjecture floating around about this, but the timing is not bad.  You cannt fire your scouting people right before the draft.  And on the Jets, the coach is the key.  Because the coach will make Sam.  Why not let him get the executives--and the players--around him that he needs. Who would know batter--Macc? I would conjecture that Johnson has liked what he has seen of Gase since he came over and now wants to make him comfortable in his environment.

true.  the assumption was that mccagnan's job was safe when bowles was canned but in hindsight that wasn't the gase.

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1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If they're hiring the Eagles guy, Gase won't have full control.  He'll be ceding control to a guy he trusts. 

harken back to the photo of mccagnan sitting in the war room by himself, probably knowing it was his last draft with the jets regardless of what he did.

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1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Could be the DC/son stuff, and at that point they couldn't go on a GM search in March so they just let it go through the draft. 

You don't hire a HC and say here's your force-fed DC, and then the DC says here's another force-fed coach because he's the DC's son. Honestly I think that was the last straw for Gase, and the worst offense. You make a guy the HC he gets to pick his own staff or don't bother hiring him. Just took this long for him to wear down Chris Johnson, who probably hoped things would smooth out for a while at least with the draft over.

I also don't think Gase is as thrilled with the OL as the GM was. Osemele was a fine addition, but the line isn't good overall. They're starting a backup center and next year both tackles are UFAs. The biggest splashes in FA went to the defense even after hiring an offensive-minded HC (not just Mosely, but don't forget the 2nd-biggest splash was to be Barr not Bell, and it's possible there is no Bell if the Barr signing went through). 

gase said before the draft that the OL was a work in progress.  the draft did nothing to dispel his assessment.  

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1 minute ago, nico002 said:

UPDATES

latest reports

- Adam Gase did not know this am this was happening 

- Rumor is the rift that something “went down” between Heimidinger and Maccagnan which caused Johnson to act to end dysfunction 

- Gase does NOT want this on his plate. He is focused on developing Sam, just moved his family here, had nothing to do with this. 

was heimdinger angling for mccagnan's job and cj didn't want the politics?

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Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Eagles' investments in the O-Line since 2016 (Douglas was hired in May '16):

  • OT Andre Dillard:  2019 1st round pick
  • Starting LG Isaac Seumalo:  3rd round pick in 2016
  • Starting RG Brandon Brooks:  Signed to a 5-year deal in 2016 (previously a Texan)
  • G/C Stefen Wisneiwski:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2016 (previously a Jaguar), benched in 2018, then brought back in 2019 (presumably on a cheap deal)
  • OT Matt Pryor:  2018 6th rounder
  • OT Jordan Mailata:  2018 7th rounder
  • OT Helapoulivaati Vaitai:  2016 5th rounder
  • G Iosua Opeta:  2019 UDFA acquisition --> was projected 6th/7th rounder and compared to Kelvin Beachum

 

They did all this despite having LT Jason Peters, C Jason Kelce, and RT Lane Johnson all entrenched as starters since 2013. 

THIS is how you build an O-Line pipeline:  Draft O-Linemen every season, even if you already have plenty of depth there, and supplement with free agent pickups. 

It's also a great way to win a Super Bowl. 

 

VS. JETS under Macc:

  • G James Carpenter:  Signed to 4-year deal in 2015
  • G Willie Colon:  Signed to a 1-year deal in 2015 (started 6 games, then never played again)
  • G Jarvis Harrison:  Drafted in 5th round in 2015 (spent 2015 on PS, then was cut in 2016)
  • OT Ryan Clady:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2016, got back a 7th (started 8 games then got hurt and retired)
  • OT Brandon Shell:  Drafted in 5th round in 2016 (29 starts, received a 62.7 grade from PFF last season, # 56-ranked OT)
  • LT Kelvin Beachum:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2017 (86 starts, received a 65.9 grade from PFF last season, # 48-ranked OT)
  • G/C Spencer Long:  Signed to a 4-year deal in 2018 (couldn't snap, released in February 2019)
  • G Kelechi Osemele:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2019, got back a 6th
  • OT Chuma Edoga:  Drafted in 3rd round in 2019

 

The Eagles had 3 entrenched starters on their O-Line prior to 2016, yet have used a 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounder on O-Linemen, and signed 2 others to significant contracts in that span.

The Jets have had O-Line problems ever since Ferguson's decline and retirement in 2015 and Mangold's decline and retirement in 2016.  But in Macc's tenure, he's only used 3 draft picks (one 3rd, two 5th's) on O-Linemen, and as a result was forced to send draft assets for older veteran band-aids like Clady (who had an awful injury history) and Osemele (probably his best move on the O-line to date) and overpay a guy like Kelvin Beachum to hold the fort at LT (and he'll need to be replaced next season).  And of course his Spencer Long signing was a complete disaster.

it's possible that gase was lobbying for OL help and heimdinger agreed but mccagnan stuck to his guns.  

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Just now, Bugg said:

This may sell his crappy newspaper. But the move is not wrong. Clear for too long Maccagan was really bad at his job. There was no point to keeping him around if was going to spend his days pining for Matt Rhule and badmouthing Gase. Either get with the program and DO YOUR JOB or be gone. 

Next time Maccagnan or another GM tries to snow reporters by saying over and over his draft choices were THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE some reporter will take a few minutes to break out the laptop, look at profootballreference.com and try top see if that is true rather than taking him at his word and printing such garbage. 

Mehta is the f___ing worst. What a clueless dick. 

he's just upset his source is gone.  

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Just now, Bruce Harper said:

Interesting.  I'm guessing they had an ugly rift about their trade down options.

could well be, but then why get rid of heimdinger unless 1) cj never loved him or 2) gase has been lobbying for his own gm choice and cj just decided that instead of keeping part of the political bs he may as well start fresh with a new gm and hc.  

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Just now, slats said:

Could be that Heimerdinger, instead of vying for the GM job, has a loyalty to Mac. 

perhaps but if heimerdinger were offered the gm job he'd take it, and mccags would understand, that's just business.

 

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1 minute ago, Bless you....Thank you said:

Brian Costello was just on with joe and mac. Basically said he was lied to by multiple sources within the jets organization and is not going to use them as sources going forward

 

this rat organization. 🐀 

still better than when rex was here and there were leaks galore.

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4 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Or he is mad His Source Macc is out . Guess it’s back to articles blasting the jets again 

there were a lot of rumors leading up to the draft about what the jets were going to do.  i can't help but wonder now if cj and/or gase allowed false rumors to be released to see who was leaking the info.

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4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

That is all well and fine for Gase to say that but if you do not pay those guys that much you do not get them.  

Oh, I'm happy with getting Tom Brady but I wouldn't have paid more than 5 mill a year.

The elevation of Gase to god status on this team within 5 or 6 months is very troubling.  This is not Bellichik we are talking about here.

agreed you have to overpay in Fa esp. if you're the jets.  

when gase was hired it was a contrast and gase was going to win with his offensive minded philosphy.

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Just now, choon328 said:

The beat writers are so upset bc they just lost any internal access Macc or Heimerdinger were giving them. I love it.

also wonder if gase was upset that he saw the gm and his main assistant feeding the press info.  gase seems like he wants to tell nothing to noone

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

This plays into Gase not liking what the Jets paid for free agents. 

if the jets don't overpay they're not getting these guys.  that's what happens when drafting sucks.  which leads back to mccagnan.  maybe gase complained that the reason they had to overspend on FAs is b/c the gm sucked.

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Just now, Creepy Lurker said:

Scouting. Both for FA and draft. Ideally he should have been fired mid season last year so new GM could have prepared for off season. Firing Mac with Bowles would have made the offseason difficult but since it’s a mess anyways, better late than never. 

if the initial plan was to have gase and mccagnan work together, something along the way didn't mesh right as was rumored.  or else, mccagnan could easily have been fired with bowles.  the initial plan was for mccagnan to stay.  gase is the new vunderkind/qb whisperer and cj listens to him now.

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1 minute ago, BurnleyJet said:

 

My take is Gase ran to the Johnson’s and put his cards on the table. “Him or me!”.

i agree that gase did something like this but mccagnan did get good FAs for the most part.  whether gase was pissed off that they didn't get another center, or that they paid too much for bell and/or mosley, this can and will be debated.  but FA was a result of poor drafting which didn't help mccagnan either.

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Just now, jack48 said:

new pecking order:

Sam

Woody

CJ/Gase

new GM

 

 

a clear chain of command is critical to any successful endeavor

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Just now, Beerfish said:

Well fing duh.  (I'm not saying this to your post but rather to the NY Jets.)  They keep hiring these guys separately and having them report to the owner separately.

Finally they will probably get guys totally on the same page when they hire the next gm but as usual it will be the jets doing it the stupid way and having the coach choosing the gm and not the other way around.

it could be that cj really wanted gase but was unsure if he should change the gm and waited until he saw the dynamic.  

if gase wanted mccagnan to stay, he'd still be here.

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Just now, Lith said:

 

if gase didn't want to spend on bell or a center - then who?

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10 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

He wanted Coleman .. lol kinda glad he only got his way 50% on this .. 

free agency is not like the draft, you don't just pick players and get them.  overpaying is also necessary.  

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2 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

 

This isn't gonna be fun...

translation:  my buddy jeremiah ain't coming if gase has power over him.

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