Mac fired!

[MDL_JET]

1 minute ago, nico002 said:

UPDATES

latest reports

- Adam Gase did not know this am this was happening 

- Rumor is the rift that something “went down” between Heimidinger and Maccagnan which caused Johnson to act to end dysfunction 

- Gase does NOT want this on his plate. He is focused on developing Sam, just moved his family here, had nothing to do with this. 

If that’s the case. Fine. As long as it’s out of the building now. And Gase is happy. And maybe happier to have his guy at GM. There’s still hope. The only wild card is relationship with williams. 

[legler82]

Anita Marks from ESPN said this is not a Gase power play. There was an issue between Heimerdinger & Macc and both were let go. Also the Jets scouts really liked Heimerdinger but not Macc.  Heimerdinger getting let go was a surprise.

[RSJ]

 
If Douglas is the hire at GM, it's not going to matter.  Gase + Douglas >>>>> Whatever the Johnson's would have done on their own in January.
Gase is the smartest one in the room right now.  Everything the Johnson's have done have turned to sh*t.  Time to let someone else have the power in the organization, even if he's not a great option. 

Literally nothing Gase has done qualifies him as the smartest man in any room.


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[Peace Frog]

Well there you go. 

I trust everyone is happy. 

Can we now all just hug and get along?

[CTM]

5 minutes ago, nico002 said:

UPDATES

latest reports

- Adam Gase did not know this am this was happening 

- Rumor is the rift that something “went down” between Heimidinger and Maccagnan which caused Johnson to act to end dysfunction 

- Gase does NOT want this on his plate. He is focused on developing Sam, just moved his family here, had nothing to do with this. 

All of these guys are just speculating or passing around rumors of people who are speculating and lying.  If the truth comes out it won't be commonly known for awhile even if one of these hot takes is close

Oh well, glad Mac is gone. 

[Jetsfan80]

Eagles' investments in the O-Line since 2016 (Douglas was hired in May '16):

• OT Andre Dillard:  2019 1st round pick
• Starting LG Isaac Seumalo:  3rd round pick in 2016
• Starting RG Brandon Brooks:  Signed to a 5-year deal in 2016 (previously a Texan)
• G/C Stefen Wisneiwski:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2016 (previously a Jaguar), benched in 2018, then brought back in 2019 (presumably on a cheap deal)
• OT Matt Pryor:  2018 6th rounder
• OT Jordan Mailata:  2018 7th rounder
• OT Helapoulivaati Vaitai:  2016 5th rounder
• G Iosua Opeta:  2019 UDFA acquisition --> was projected 6th/7th rounder and compared to Kelvin Beachum

 

They did all this despite having LT Jason Peters, C Jason Kelce, and RT Lane Johnson all entrenched as starters since 2013. 

THIS is how you build an O-Line pipeline:  Draft O-Linemen every season, even if you already have plenty of depth there, and supplement with free agent pickups. 

It's also a great way to win a Super Bowl. 

 

VS. JETS under Macc:

• G James Carpenter:  Signed to 4-year deal in 2015
• G Willie Colon:  Signed to a 1-year deal in 2015 (started 6 games, then never played again)
• G Jarvis Harrison:  Drafted in 5th round in 2015 (spent 2015 on PS, then was cut in 2016)
• OT Ryan Clady:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2016, got back a 7th (started 8 games then got hurt and retired)
• OT Brandon Shell:  Drafted in 5th round in 2016 (29 starts, received a 62.7 grade from PFF last season, # 56-ranked OT)
• LT Kelvin Beachum:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2017 (86 starts, received a 65.9 grade from PFF last season, # 48-ranked OT)
• G/C Spencer Long:  Signed to a 4-year deal in 2018 (couldn't snap, released in February 2019)
• G Kelechi Osemele:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2019, got back a 6th
• OT Chuma Edoga:  Drafted in 3rd round in 2019

 

The Eagles had 3 entrenched starters on their O-Line prior to 2016, yet have used a 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounder on O-Linemen, and signed 2 others to significant contracts in that span.

The Jets have had O-Line problems ever since Ferguson's decline and retirement in 2015 and Mangold's decline and retirement in 2016.  But in Macc's tenure, he's only used 3 draft picks (one 3rd, two 5th's) on O-Linemen, and as a result was forced to send draft assets for older veteran band-aids like Clady (who had an awful injury history) and Osemele (probably his best move on the O-line to date) and overpay a guy like Kelvin Beachum to hold the fort at LT (and he'll need to be replaced next season).  And of course his Spencer Long signing was a complete disaster.

[Beerfish]

Mac simply did not have enough draft success to stay on.  He displayed no viable plan for this team.

The owner like his brother is an utter tool, why would you not can him at the end of last year with bowles make a clean slate and avoid having a guy you don't think can do the job shape this team in the off season.

Having Adam Gase as the GM is an utter disaster in the making.

The Johnsons are just so damn bad and stupid as owners.

I expect to see the two dozen defenders of mac now say this is a good move and toss any blame for the team for the next 5 years on the dearly departed.

[Integrity28]

3 minutes ago, nico002 said:

UPDATES

latest reports

- Adam Gase did not know this am this was happening 

- Rumor is the rift that something “went down” between Heimidinger and Maccagnan which caused Johnson to act to end dysfunction 

- Gase does NOT want this on his plate. He is focused on developing Sam, just moved his family here, had nothing to do with this. 

We lost Heimerdinger in this?

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, RSJ said:

 

Literally nothing Gase has done qualifies him as the smartest man in any room.
 

As opposed to what the Johnson's have done?

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, nico002 said:

UPDATES

latest reports

- Adam Gase did not know this am this was happening 

- Rumor is the rift that something “went down” between Heimidinger and Maccagnan which caused Johnson to act to end dysfunction 

- Gase does NOT want this on his plate. He is focused on developing Sam, just moved his family here, had nothing to do with this. 

Maybe the owner could clear this up. 

[Fantasy Island]

Somewhere, after having to be told several times before it could be comprehended, Bowles is smiling at the news of Mac getting the boot too.

[Scott Dierking]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Just curious as you led the charge on transparency being unimportant 

The transparency you wanted was not going to come, for obvious reasons. And still won't.

[Bugg]

1 minute ago, Lith said:

Yup.  And he is starting to go after them.

 

This may sell his crappy newspaper. But the move is not wrong. Clear for too long Maccagan was really bad at his job. There was no point to keeping him around if was going to spend his days pining for Matt Rhule and badmouthing Gase. Either get with the program and DO YOUR JOB or be gone. 

Next time Maccagnan or another GM tries to snow reporters by saying over and over his draft choices were THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE some reporter will take a few minutes to break out the laptop, look at profootballreference.com and try top see if that is true rather than taking him at his word and printing such garbage. 

Mehta is the f___ing worst. What a clueless dick. 

[FlagmanL11]

The journey of this years fire the GM and coach flag is now complete.  Next up the Fire Gase flag, date TBD. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Eagles' investments in the O-Line since 2016 (Douglas was hired in May '16):

• OT Andre Dillard:  2019 1st round pick
• Starting LG Isaac Seumalo:  3rd round pick in 2016
• Starting RG Brandon Brooks:  Signed to a 5-year deal in 2016 (previously a Texan)
• G/C Stefen Wisneiwski:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2016 (previously a Jaguar), benched in 2018, then brought back in 2019 (presumably on a cheap deal)
• OT Matt Pryor:  2018 6th rounder
• OT Jordan Mailata:  2018 7th rounder
• OT Helapoulivaati Vaitai:  2016 5th rounder
• G Iosua Opeta:  2019 UDFA acquisition --> was projected 6th/7th rounder and compared to Kelvin Beachum

 

They did all this despite having LT Jason Peters, C Jason Kelce, and RT Lane Johnson all entrenched as starters since 2013. 

THIS is how you build an O-Line pipeline:  Draft O-Linemen every season, even if you already have plenty of depth there, and supplement with free agent pickups. 

It's also a great way to win a Super Bowl. 

 

VS. JETS under Macc:

• G James Carpenter:  Signed to 4-year deal in 2015
• G Willie Colon:  Signed to a 1-year deal in 2015 (started 6 games, then never played again)
• G Jarvis Harrison:  Drafted in 5th round in 2015 (spent 2015 on PS, then was cut in 2016)
• OT Ryan Clady:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2016, got back a 7th (started 8 games then got hurt and retired)
• OT Brandon Shell:  Drafted in 5th round in 2016 (29 starts, received a 62.7 grade from PFF last season, # 56-ranked OT)
• LT Kelvin Beachum:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2017 (86 starts, received a 65.9 grade from PFF last season, # 48-ranked OT)
• G/C Spencer Long:  Signed to a 4-year deal in 2018 (couldn't snap, released in February 2019)
• G Kelechi Osemele:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2019, got back a 6th
• OT Chuma Edoga:  Drafted in 3rd round in 2019

 

The Eagles had 3 entrenched starters on their O-Line prior to 2016, yet have used a 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounder on O-Linemen, and signed 2 others to significant contracts in that span.

The Jets have had O-Line problems ever since Ferguson's decline and retirement in 2015 and Mangold's decline and retirement in 2016.  But in Macc's tenure, he's only used 3 draft picks (one 3rd, two 5th's) on O-Linemen, and as a result was forced to send draft assets for older veteran band-aids like Clady (who had an awful injury history) and Osemele (probably his best move on the O-line to date) and overpay a guy like Kelvin Beachum to hold the fort at LT (and he'll need to be replaced next season).  And of course his Spencer Long signing was a complete disaster.

it's possible that gase was lobbying for OL help and heimdinger agreed but mccagnan stuck to his guns.  

[GREENBEAN]

All hail Emperor Gase!!!
All hail the Supreme Leader!!!

lmao. It kinda feels like that a bit doesn’t it?


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[Bruce Harper]

5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

 

Interesting.  I'm guessing they had an ugly rift about their trade down options.

[MasterChiefJets]

3 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Who the hell cares what Manish thinks.  How long can you keep a guy around who is that bad at drafting?  He's just pissed because it was the first time ever anyone on the inside would talk to him.  Now he can go back to bashing their every move.

Manish is angry that he just lost his #1 source.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Bugg said:

This may sell his crappy newspaper. But the move is not wrong. Clear for too long Maccagan was really bad at his job. There was no point to keeping him around if was going to spend his days pining for Matt Rhule and badmouthing Gase. Either get with the program and DO YOUR JOB or be gone. 

Next time Maccagnan or another GM tries to snow reporters by saying over and over his draft choices were THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE some reporter will take a few minutes to break out the laptop, look at profootballreference.com and try top see if that is true rather than taking him at his word and printing such garbage. 

Mehta is the f___ing worst. What a clueless dick. 

he's just upset his source is gone.  

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

it's possible that gase was lobbying for OL help and heimdinger agreed but mccagnan stuck to his guns.   

Sounds like Gase had issues with Heimerdinger too.  So I doubt that. 

[nico002]

1 minute ago, CTM said:

All of these guys are just speculating or passing around rumors of people who are speculating and lying. If the truth comes out it won't be for awhile.

Oh well, glad Mac is gone. 

Really? Seems like a pretty damn specific report for it to be an unsourced take...

[slats]

41 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If you're not going to fire a GM in January, you have to wait till after the draft.

Get the new GM in here and give him the time to replace all the scouts.  Then we can head into the 2020 draft ready to go.

While he should have gotten fired in January, this was the next best option.  The timing is not nearly as bad as people here are saying.

I was just gonna post the same thing. 

When you hire a GM in January, he's stuck using the last GM's scouting for his first draft. This way, the new GM can put together his own staff before the college season starts. 

Also, the timing feels like a Gase power grab. If they hire the dude from Philly and have him report to Gase, it will complete the coup. And while it's certainly questionable to put all this faith in Gase before he even coaches a down here, I'd prefer that arrangement to the one the Jets have had with Mac and Bowles. 

[SayNoToDMC]

 

 

[tdoublee]

Our draft picks have been better since Heimerdinger was promoted.

Even so, I bet the Macc vs Heimerdinger rift was all about the pics Macc made (or didn't make) in this year's draft.

[Barry McCockinner]

So now Gase has Parcells/Belichick powers without the resume. Should be interesting.

[Rangers9]

Gase didn’t show up on draft day. And why every time you see him speak does he pull his cap all the way down so you can barely see the guy. Btw if not for Macc no Darnold. 

[Scoop24]

4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

But the Jets ended up paying Bell fairly, at a market rate.  They didn't overpay IMO and they are really only tied to him for the first 2 years.  I think the 2020 or 2021 Draft is where the Jets find a RB replacement in Round 2 or 3.

Nvm you where right he didn’t want bell . Atleast according to manish just said .

[HighPitch]

Bad timing or not, GOOD RIDDANCE!

I am GLAD we at least have coach that has some kind of passion, unlike bowles.

The truth is none of us here, or these beat writers, know what goes on behind closed doors. 

My guess is Gase did not like that Mac did NOTHING to get Darnold any help in the draft. We have a mish mash of 3/4 and 4/3 players that clash. We KNOW Gase loves Darnold, so not drafting for offense could be a real possibility.

Dont be so hard on Gase. Clearly, he was a catalyst for Macs departure. You wanted Mac gone? Thank Gase, the squeaky wheel at 1 jets drive.

Mac mad a few good trades. Ill credit him for that. His drafting was atrocious, the first rounders he got fell into his lap and thats the truth.

 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Bruce Harper said:

Interesting.  I'm guessing they had an ugly rift about their trade down options.

could well be, but then why get rid of heimdinger unless 1) cj never loved him or 2) gase has been lobbying for his own gm choice and cj just decided that instead of keeping part of the political bs he may as well start fresh with a new gm and hc.  

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

I was just gonna post the same thing. 

When you hire a GM in January, he's stuck using the last GM's scouting for his first draft. This way, the new GM can put together his own staff before the college season starts. 

Also, the timing feels like a Gase power grab. If they hire the dude from Philly and have him report to Gase, it will complete the coup. And while it's certainly questionable to put all this faith in Gase before he even coaches a down here, I'd prefer that arrangement to the one the Jets have had with Mac and Bowles.  

Yep.  It may crash and burn but at least it's different!  And potentially really fun too.

When the current regime is awful, a military coup is preferable.  

[RSJ]

As opposed to what the Johnson's have done?

As opposed to what anyone has done. Yes the Johnsons have been further as owners than Gase has as a HC though.


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[Randy Rasmussen]

This makes zero sense. Why wasn’t McCagnan fired with Bowles? Why was he allowed to execute the offseason? As a PSL owner I demand answers. 

Because it’s the Jets!


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[jetscrazey]

6 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

 

I don't buy this.  This is a planted story by Johnson/Gase, so Gase looks better in the public eye.  Gase is an arrogant guy who wants total control.

[Jetmech]

Gase, speculation that both Bell and Mosley were overpaid. Should be good conversations between them....


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[Integrity28]

This.