CJ comments on firing (via conf call with media & C. Hughes notes)

[GreenFish]

This makes me feel a lot better. CJ said he sat in a few meetings and now knows what the problem is. 

Go back inside fellas. Nothing to watch here. CJ has everything under control.

 

[Aussie Jet]

3 hours ago, Scoop24 said:

Then why is the narrative he let Mac spend all this money? When he is personally calling the shots  on certain deals like Bell. Last year he personally went after Suh . Till he felt like Suh was using him and publicly withdrew the offer . 

 

My recollection was that Chris Johnson told Maccagnan to pull the offer from Suh when it was clear Suh was using the Jets as leverage.

[jack48]

most here hate Macc but object to the timing of the firing.  Huh?  What the hell does timing have t do with it when you are getting rid of an incompetent?

[Embrace the Suck]

45 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

Billionaires do what they want to do.

It's good to be the king.

[jack48]

13 minutes ago, Aussie Jet said:

My recollection was that Chris Johnson told Maccagnan to pull the offer from Suh when it was clear Suh was using the Jets as leverage.

CJ thought Macc was indecisive.  that is what the Post sad.  He took too long to make decisions.  Funny.  One look and one listen could have told you that about MM, if Charlie C was not blaring in your ear the whole period they were hiring

[TuscanyTile2]

CJ is obviously trying to deflect attention away from the Gase/Macc power struggle by pretending it was his own decision about the future of the franchise.  It will be interesting to see if Macc gives an interview about this.  I think he's on the payroll for 2 more years so I'm not sure how much he can say.  Macc also seems like a classy guy who won't call out CJ.  I'm guessing it's partly because he's grateful for getting the job in the first place.  It would also make him look bad when searching for his next job (if the next owner can't trust him to tow the company line).  As far as Gase, it will be interesting but I think calling out Gase would be a rough equivalent of calling out CJ so he probably won't do it too strongly.  But if that's the case then why bother doing an interview at all I guess.

[Cyberjet]

2 hours ago, SAR I said:

From all accounts, Chris Johnson got the HC he wanted, the DC he wanted, and the FA's he wanted.  During the draft and evaluation process he discovered some things with Mike and the organization that he did not like and took action.

That's what a good CEO does.  Gets his way and ensures he has the right team around him.  This isn't a SOJ moment.  It's the exact opposite.

SAR I

Exactly. You can disagree with him but he acted when he felt he had to act. I have no problem with the timing. Even if he made the decision to fire him just before the draft (which he didn’t) you don’t do that because it would be total chaos. Firing him now allows the coach and new GM work together for a whole year before the next draft. For the record on the surface I liKed MM

[T0mShane]

23 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

The only person that has semi defended anything is oddly Anita Marx who's take on the subject is also information i had heard from my sources

Are you referring to the story that the real beef was between Maccagnan and Heimerdinger? Because, while that one seems true and inevitable, it's also the one take on it that absolves both Gase and Chris Johnson of any palace intrigue stuff.

[T0mShane]

26 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

There's a reason we are all unaware of that prevents this from happening. The most obvious would be the Johnsons are way more involved with the day to day decision making than any of us realize. 

I thought that was the case with Woody, who was desperate to be seen as a big player in league circles, but I'd like to imagine it's not as much the case with Chris. He doesn't strike me as the Jerry Jones type. Didn't they essentially offer an oversight gig to Casserly and/or Ron Wolf after they brought in Macc and they both turned it down?

[GREENBEAN]

3 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

 That Tony Pauline guy had this right from Day 1. For Johnson to get out there and try to dance around this the way he did is both funny and sad.

For better or worse, Gase is the man running this team on the field and the front office from today forward. I'm not sure how a coach with his resume gets this type of control so quickly and completely, but here we are....

Exactly right. I can understand the expected victory dance so many of the posters are doing here today, but the problem in this org is a big one. Let everyone gloat but I am blown away by the way this move went down. It reeks of dysfunction and sadly gives us a whiff of how bad it really is. Once again we have a fractured GM/HC hiring process. We haven't gotten this right in forever.  It's really quite simple. Hire a good GM and give him the keys to the football operation. He hires a HC and the HC hires his staff.  We just can't get it right. 

I was in support of keeping Macc on so we can actually give him the chance to hire his own coach. It never felt like that was going on throughout the HC hiring process and smelled funny the whole time. The phone call from Manning to CJ sealed that opinion for me. I was not a fan of the Gase hire, but have tried to warm to him and obviously I want him to be successful.  But if we were going to let Macc go, it would have been better to do that before we hired the HC. Let everyone try and pull up all of the examples of other times this was done all they want. This was poor timing and bad decision making. Keeping him until now is dumb. Any explanations as to why it's not is someone trying too hard IMO.  If we weren't hiring a brand new HC this offseason maybe, but we did so all other examples are moot. 

The GM should have been able to utilize the #3 draft pick and the $100 mil we had to spend. Giving that to Macc and then firing him is moronic. I am embarrassed by this move and watch from the sideline as the happy Anti Macc guys frolic in the sun as if the trouble has been averted. Be careful you wish for. I am hoping there is a solid plan put together already, but this sure as hell doesn't look like one.  Maybe we get a good GM and we can be successful. That would be great. What I see is us excited to grab yet another rookie GM who will more than likely make the same frustrating mistakes we've watched for eons around here.  

Here we go again.  

 

[Spoot-Face]

4 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

Christopher Johnson said this wasn’t a decision (to fire Maccagnan) he could have made after the year. By “diving deep into the organization” he realized what was wrong. #jets

 

4 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

Christopher Johnson said the more he looked into his current situation, the more he wanted to move on. #Jets

Translation: he began reading @Sperm Edwards's posts about Maccagnan.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Are you referring to the story that the real beef was between Maccagnan and Heimerdinger? Because, while that one seems true and inevitable, it's also the one take on it that absolves both Gase and Chris Johnson of any palace intrigue stuff.

I'm pretty sure that something very similar was what prompted Layden to put Frederic Weis in charge of negotiating the Ewing trade.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Didn't they essentially offer an oversight gig to Casserly and/or Ron Wolf after they brought in Macc and they both turned it down?

Real as it gets.

[Chrebetfan80]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Are you referring to the story that the real beef was between Maccagnan and Heimerdinger? Because, while that one seems true and inevitable, it's also the one take on it that absolves both Gase and Chris Johnson of any palace intrigue stuff.

I am, but it’s a little different than what I think others may have heard.. gase and mac definitely didn’t see eye to eye, that much is true for sure.. value of FAs they were off on.. to be clear gase doesn’t hate bell, he just didn’t want to spend the money they did on bell.. I had heard some hard line numbers thrown around and gase had a low number bell never would have signed for.  

The mac/hiemerdinger saga is bound to come out and really makes the most sense when applied to the time line of events. 

 

On the the other side of this we better find someone soon because it’s uneasy having gase make moves literally hrs into the interim job. 

[LionelRichie]

37 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

There's a reason we are all unaware of that prevents this from happening. The most obvious would be the Johnsons are way more involved with the day to day decision making than any of us realize. 

This certainly seems to be true.  I could see CJ participating in the off-season planning and continually listening to Gase ask Macc "who is going to play Center?" 

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, LionelRichie said:

This certainly seems to be true.  I could see CJ participating in the off-season planning and continually listening to Gase ask Macc "who is going to play Center?" 

Supposedly Gase didn't want to overpay 2 positions in FA (RB and C).  Probably not true though as it was reported by Mehta.

 

 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

I am, but it’s a little different than what I think others may have heard.. gase and mac definitely didn’t see eye to eye, that much is true for sure.. value of FAs they were off on.. to be clear gase doesn’t hate bell, he just didn’t want to spend the money they did on bell.. I had heard some hard line numbers thrown around and gase had a low number bell never would have signed for.  

The mac/hiemerdinger saga is bound to come out and really makes the most sense when applied to the time line of events. 

 

On the the other side of this we better find someone soon because it’s uneasy having gase make moves literally hrs into the interim job. 

I've been a big Heimerdinger supporter because I think he's smart, and I've posited forever that he'd eventually supplant Maccagnan. I'm surprised he got the axe today, but I'm guessing that's because...Gase wanted the clean slate(?) Or, was it really because Chris Johnson didn't want to penalize Macc without penalizing Heimerdinger? 

As for the money given to Bell, I find that a weird complaint because it's really only a two year deal that doesn't inhibit other spending as far as I can tell. Gase just didn't like it based on principle? 

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Real as it gets.

Imagine Casserly as The Bear in this scenario. My god

[Long Island Leprechaun]

3 hours ago, flgreen said:

So two years into being the Jets CEO, CJ finally figured out what a Football GM does.  LOL

Well, that's encouraging...………...I guess

Yeah, that was pretty alarming. Personally, while this was poorly handled to say the least, I think we have to see how it gets resolved. One thing that makes no sense at all -- why Gase would be worried about how much money Johnson is willing to pay Mosley and Bell. The Jets still had money to burn. It had to be for other reasons. Different priorities for the money (Paradis) and not liking Bell's holdout. Gase did a job on Kenyon Drake when Drake stepped out of line. He might be afraid to deal with somebody like Bell -- prefers sheeple.

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Supposedly Gase didn't want to overpay 2 positions in FA (RB and C).  Probably not true though as it was reported by Mehta.

 

 

I don't want to play the "fake news" game, but Mehta is going to flame the living sh*t out of Gase all year now in service of Maccagnan, same as he did with Idzik in service of Rex. I'd be highly skeptical of anything Mehta has to say at this point. Dude is going to go hard after this because he's been pwned.

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Let’s hope we can look back and say this was the turning point. But the optics look bad  because this decision could of and should of been done while Gase was being hired. That’s what a good CEO would have done. 

Now let’s look back in Jet history. Belichick decided to leave because he didn’t want ownership to pick the players he was coaching. If ownership would have given him “carte Blanche”, he would have stayed. Can we say that Gase is truly calling the shots now? Don’t you think ownership will continue to meddle?

Im not convinced as of yet that they won’t . Don’t get me wrong however, I am hoping that this all works out. 

Two other possible scenarios:

1.  The Jets couldn't find a qualified GM to replace Mike so they told Adam he was only there to do the heavy lifting on pre-draft scouting and analytics and would be gone once the draft and FA were over.  While Gase settles in with his coaching staff, Maccagnan does the dirty work.  When it comes time to pick players in the draft and during FA, Gase and Johnson are calling the shots.

2.  Maccagnan was on thin ice since being retained in February and was given a chance to show that he could wheel and deal and work well with Gase and Williams.  And something didn't click and so it became clear very recently that Mike had to go.  So he did.

These are the most logical conclusions.  "Optics" of ridiculous news stories that someone that the team, ownership, and coaching staff didn't believe in was allowed to spend millions of dollars and have autonomy over the draft and free agency is insane.

SAR I

[Integrity28]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don't want to play the "fake news" game, but Mehta is going to flame the living sh*t out of Gase all year now in service of Maccagnan, same as he did with Idzik in service of Rex. I'd be highly skeptical of anything Mehta has to say at this point. Dude is going to go hard after this because he's been pwned.

This.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I don't want to play the "fake news" game, but Mehta is going to flame the living sh*t out of Gase all year now in service of Maccagnan, same as he did with Idzik in service of Rex. I'd be highly skeptical of anything Mehta has to say at this point. Dude is going to go hard after this because he's been pwned.

Mehta already trying to win back his credibility (as if he had any) with this line:

"Jets have been looking to deal Lee for a while, as I said in March."

Oh you were right again, Mehta!  /s

 

 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, SAR I said:

Two other possible scenarios:

1.  The Jets couldn't find a qualified GM to replace Mike so they told Adam he was only there to do the heavy lifting on pre-draft scouting and analytics and would be gone once the draft and FA were over.  While Gase settles in with his coaching staff, Maccagnan does the dirty work.  When it comes time to pick players in the draft and during FA, Gase and Johnson are calling the shots.

2.  Maccagnan was on thin ice since being retained in February and was given a chance to show that he could wheel and deal and work well with Gase and Williams.  And something didn't click and so it became clear very recently that Mike had to go.  So he did.

These are the most logical conclusions.  "Optics" of ridiculous news stories that someone that the team, ownership, and coaching staff didn't believe in was allowed to spend millions of dollars and have autonomy over the draft and free agency is insane.

SAR I

I believe mccagnan was essentially on probation when gase was hired, to see if gase liked him and if they could work well together.  

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, Augustiniak said:

Have to wonder if having gase around made him realize that mccagnan was not the major player he was trying to be.  

This.  Very possible.

Let's say Mr. Johnson hired Gase, immediately saw how strong he was, immediately realized that he could run the whole show, and patiently waited for the hard work of the draft and FA period to end before cutting him loose just before camp.

And knowing all this, let Gase make all the draft choices and choose all the FA's. 

That's what I would have done in his shoes.  I'm not going to stand in Gase's way if he's so strong and certainly not going to defend Maccagnan who I would have gotten rid of if there was a good GM candidate out there in February.  Yeah, the optics look bad, but so what?  I got the HC I wanted, I got the DC I wanted, I have the QB, I have a stud RB.  I don't need the holdover GM from the old regime.  Maccagnan is as tired as the old uniforms.

SAR I

[Beerfish]

30 minutes ago, jack48 said:

most here hate Macc but object to the timing of the firing.  Huh?  What the hell does timing have t do with it when you are getting rid of an incompetent?

What do you mean HUH?

We just let mccagnan work the whole off season, draft and FA after a lousy body of work when 100% the best time to remove him was when the former coach was removed at the end of last season.  Of course people are objecting about the timing.  The owner is a clueless dough head, just now, in the past week or so he has had a hallelujah moment and realized mac was lousy?  And all of these guys report directly to Chris johnson.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, SAR I said:

This.  Very possible.

Let's say Mr. Johnson hired Gase, immediately saw how strong he was, immediately realized that he could run the whole show, and patiently waited for the hard work of the draft and FA period to end before cutting him loose just before camp.

And knowing all this, let Gase make all the draft choices and choose all the FA's. 

That's what I would have done in his shoes.  I'm not going to stand in Gase's way if he's so strong and certainly not going to defend Maccagnan who I would have gotten rid of if there was a good GM candidate out there in February.  Yeah, the optics look bad, but so what?  I got the HC I wanted, I got the DC I wanted, I have the QB, I have a stud RB.  I don't need the holdover GM from the old regime.  Maccagnan is as tired as the old uniforms.

SAR I

Also, someone brought up in another thread, that mccagnan was hired under woody’s watch.  He’s not cj’s gm.  Maybe this is also cj’s way of making the team more his own.

[SAR I]

35 minutes ago, jack48 said:

most here hate Macc but object to the timing of the firing.  Huh?  What the hell does timing have t do with it when you are getting rid of an incompetent?

And remember, Maccagnan is a scout at heart and the prep work for the draft and FA is extremely detailed and labor intense.  Let him do all the hard work, let Gase make the decisions, and then get Mike out of there before camp opens.

Makes perfect sense to me.  The time to hire a GM is in Feburary and if you can't find one you love and don't want to settle, the perfect time to fire the one you're stuck with is in May.

SAR I

[Chrebetfan80]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I've been a big Heimerdinger supporter because I think he's smart, and I've posited forever that he'd eventually supplant Maccagnan. I'm surprised he got the axe today, but I'm guessing that's because...Gase wanted the clean slate(?) Or, was it really because Chris Johnson didn't want to penalize Macc without penalizing Heimerdinger? 

As for the money given to Bell, I find that a weird complaint because it's really only a two year deal that doesn't inhibit other spending as far as I can tell. Gase just didn't like it based on principle? 

I can’t get a straight answer on what happened exactly, we may never know... but the sense I get is that the front office was divided.. there were groups that supported Mac and groups that wanted him out and supported heimerdinger. Everything came to a head at draft time. Some moves weren’t made that people thought should have been, deals passed on that people felt were fair value, so on so forth.. that was the breaking point and things got bad.  I’m not sure what happened but I know CJ met with a lot of people 1 on 1 (presumably digging deep into the organization?) to try to mend the riff.  When nothing could be done instead of foster a toxic environment he cleaned house.  

I had heard rumors in the offseason early on that the “hot seat” rumors and internal unhappiness of mac was actually leaked by heimerdinger but I’m not sure if that’s 100% true 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, SAR I said:

And remember, Maccagnan is a scout at heart and the prep work for the draft and FA is extremely detailed and labor intense.  Let him do all the hard work, let Gase make the decisions, and then get Mike out of there before camp opens.

Makes perfect sense to me.  The time to hire a GM is in Feburary and if you can't find one you love and don't want to settle, the perfect time to fire the one you're stuck with is in May.

SAR I

Yeah, I think this goes a long way to explaining the timing.  

[SAR I]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

Also, someone brought up in another thread, that mccagnan was hired under woody’s watch.  He’s not cj’s gm.  Maybe this is also cj’s way of making the team more his own.

Yes.  Agreed.

The Jets want to change the culture and everything up until now has been nice baby steps.  Today slams the door shut on Woody Johnson's regime and fires shots across the bow of the free agents, veterans, and rookies that there is a new sheriff in town and a new culture along with him.  And it's evil.  And it's violent.  And after years of p*ssy play and backstabbing through the media, I love it.

SAR I

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

I can’t get a straight answer on what happened exactly, we may never know... but the sense I get is that the front office was divided.. there were groups that supported Mac and groups that wanted him out and supported heimerdinger. Everything came to a head at draft time. Some moves weren’t made that people thought should have been, deals passed on that people felt were fair value, so on so forth.. that was the breaking point and things got bad.  I’m not sure what happened but I know CJ met with a lot of people 1 on 1 (presumably digging deep into the organization?) to try to mend the riff.  When nothing could be done instead of foster a toxic environment he cleaned house.  

I had heard rumors in the offseason early on that the “hot seat” rumors and internal unhappiness of mac was actually leaked by heimerdinger but I’m not sure if that’s 100% true 

Sounds like heimerdinger felt he should be the gm and tried stage a mutiny from within but it turned into a political mess.  

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

I can’t get a straight answer on what happened exactly, we may never know... but the sense I get is that the front office was divided.. there were groups that supported Mac and groups that wanted him out and supported heimerdinger. Everything came to a head at draft time. Some moves weren’t made that people thought should have been, deals passed on that people felt were fair value, so on so forth.. that was the breaking point and things got bad.  I’m not sure what happened but I know CJ met with a lot of people 1 on 1 (presumably digging deep into the organization?) to try to mend the riff.  When nothing could be done instead of foster a toxic environment he cleaned house.  

I had heard rumors in the offseason early on that the “hot seat” rumors and internal unhappiness of mac was actually leaked by heimerdinger but I’m not sure if that’s 100% true 

Oh. hot damn. Are you referring to divisions over trading down from 3, and that there were potential deals on the table that Maccagnan didn't take? Because that would confirm a lot of my priors, which I'm very excited about. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, SAR I said:

Yes.  Agreed.

The Jets want to change the culture and everything up until now has been nice baby steps.  Today slams the door shut on Woody Johnson's regime and fires shots across the bow of the free agents, veterans, and rookies that there is a new sheriff in town and a new culture along with him.  And it's evil.  And it's violent.  And after years of p*ssy play and backstabbing through the media, I love it.

SAR I

And that guys like darron lee have no place on the team.  Doesn’t matter where you were drafted, where you played in college, etc.  

[Augustiniak]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Oh. hot damn. Are you referring to divisions over trading down from 3, and that there were potential deals on the table that Maccagnan didn't take? Because that would confirm a lot of my priors, which I'm very excited about. 

Would also explain why the mccagnan rumors hit Friday afternoon.  I do think the rift had a lot to do with not trading back in round 1.  They probably did have offers.