Neil Glat, do the right thing-Step down

[Beerfish]

Gase is not happy with the mobile apps of the team, Glats days are numbered.

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Gase is not happy with the mobile apps of the team, Glats days are numbered.

Upside down organizations without clear hierarchal structure operate in just that manner.

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

And Matt, you were correct all along. Transparency would have been a GREAT thing. They are at least smart enough to not allow that because it would expose obvious flaws. 

 

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Why is there a President(highest title besides Woody/Chris) to be in charge of what most of us would agree to be secondary priorities? I think that's the question, that there should be a head of football too. Scott seems to think it's not in the budget, which is quite possible as the Jets have continued to pay bottom third salaries for coaches and GM's.

Hes the president in charge of the business of running the off field projects.  Every team has to address the business side of things, again we're talking about billion dollar + organizations.  

Not every team has a president of football operations just as there is no proof that it makes any kind of difference.  Isnt helping in Jax, didnt help with Parcells or Tanny in Miami.  Has nothing to do with not willing to spend.

I have no idea what Macc was paid.  Neither do you.  Have no idea what Gase is paid.  Neither do you.  Neither of us have no idea where the Jets pay scale is compared to others.  Could Macc, Bowles or any other who is in the 1st year of doing their job, ever, paid low compared to established coaches and GMs?  Probably.  Doesn't make them cheap, means they paid them what their exp dictated.  

 

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Hes the president in charge of the business of running the off field projects.  Every team has to address the business side of things, again we're talking about billion dollar + organizations.  

Sure- but its fair to question why the highest title in the building has nothing to do with football. Marketing and branding shouldnt be more important than football. I'm a firm believer in having a point person that's the ultimate decision maker as it relates to football. We know who's in charge of tickets and marketing- why doesnt the same hold true for the football operation? Or is Chris the guy? I think the answer is he doesn't want anyone to know.

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

My point is, they are emphasizing the marketing piece over the football operations piece.  And no, the do seem unable to do both, as they are blatantly ignoring one.

Upon reflection, you are right. Things seem to be operating pretty smoothly.

 

Point is they hare NOT emphasizing the marketing piece over football operations.  Thats crazy.  They spend probably 1000 times more on football side of the team.  Have how many paid positions feeding it?  But one guy making non football decisions, allowing the football people to give the football side of the operation 100% of their time doesnt make sense?  

This is ridiculous quite frankly.  When coming up with pointless things to concern ourselves with the team, this is about as far down the ladder as it gets.  Not one thing he does effects the team winning or losing, either way.  

[Scott Dierking]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Hes the president in charge of the business of running the off field projects.  Every team has to address the business side of things, again we're talking about billion dollar + organizations.  

Not every team has a president of football operations just as there is no proof that it makes any kind of difference.  Isnt helping in Jax, didnt help with Parcells or Tanny in Miami.  Has nothing to do with not willing to spend.

I have no idea what Macc was paid.  Neither do you.  Have no idea what Gase is paid.  Neither do you.  Neither of us have no idea where the Jets pay scale is compared to others.  Could Macc, Bowles or any other who is in the 1st year of doing their job, ever, paid low compared to established coaches and GMs?  Probably.  Doesn't make them cheap, means they paid them what their exp dictated.  

 

So, as a whole, have the Jets hired 1st time coaches and GM's, or have they gone the proven route of experience, which of course lends itself to higher pay grade?

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Point is they hare NOT emphasizing the marketing piece over football operations.  Thats crazy.  They spend probably 1000 times more on football side of the team.  Have how many paid positions feeding it?  But one guy making non football decisions, allowing the football people to give the football side of the operation 100% of their time doesnt make sense?  

This is ridiculous quite frankly.  When coming up with pointless things to concern ourselves with the team, this is about as far down the ladder as it gets.  Not one thing he does effects the team winning or losing, either way.  

Emphasis in organizations is provided by hiring Senior level positions to oversee that area of operation. 

The Jets have a President of off-field business.

Do they have a similar position for on-field?

See?

 

[Jet Nut]

8 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

So, as a whole, have the Jets hired 1st time coaches and GM's, or have they gone the proven route of experience, which of course lends itself to higher pay grade?

Which HCs with exp did they pass over, more importantly because of money?  Whats the difference, Jet fans were dancing over the hiring of a bright young, hot HCing prospect when we hired Bowles.  Like they were over Herm, Mangini, Rex, whatever.  When they dont get it done its onto their cheap?  How many exp HCs did we have available with all those hires who were proven winners that you had to hire?  

The tried to keep Parcells as HC after BB stepped out.  The were in on Cowher supposedly.  They were in on Harbaugh supposedly.  None of those names were coming cheap.  Id bet Gase is paid more than a 1st year HC.  

You spend $635 billion on a team 20 years ago.  Almost $100 mil on a top notch practice facility.  You spend just under a Bil on your half of the stadium.  You have fans calling you cheap?

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Emphasis in organizations is provided by hiring Senior level positions to oversee that area of operation. 

The Jets have a President of off-field business.

Do they have a similar position for on-field?

See?

 

Yes, ever team does, its called the GM.  

Adding another layer above guarantees nothing.  Coughlins team is doing what?  Parcells helped the Dolphins win what?

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Yes, ever team does, its called the GM.  

Who manages the GM?

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Who manages the GM?

Who manages the person who manages the GM?

Who manages that guy?

How many layers are needed? 

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Point is they hare NOT emphasizing the marketing piece over football operations.  Thats crazy.  They spend probably 1000 times more on football side of the team.  Have how many paid positions feeding it?  But one guy making non football decisions, allowing the football people to give the football side of the operation 100% of their time doesnt make sense?  

This is ridiculous quite frankly.  When coming up with pointless things to concern ourselves with the team, this is about as far down the ladder as it gets.  Not one thing he does effects the team winning or losing, either way.  

Me, reading Jet Nut's rageposts for the next few weeks:

 

[Apache 51]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Who manages the person who manages the GM?

Who manages that guy?
 

Owners are into Bandaids, baby powder and hospitals. Football is a hobby.

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Me, reading Jet Nut's rageposts for the next few weeks:

 

Rageposts.

Cool.  

 

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

Owners are into Bandaids, baby powder and hospitals. Football is a hobby.

If it were a hobby they'd get out of the way. The football side gives them purpose, which is the issue here. Woody found a new purpose and left. Now his kid brother gets to be important. What was Chris doing before the Jets? The Met Gala is only once a year.

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

Owners are into Bandaids, baby powder and hospitals. Football is a hobby.

Of course this isnt true and has nothing to do with Glatt being paid to run the non football side of the business.  

 

[Apache 51]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Of course this isnt true and has nothing to do with Glatt being paid to run the non football side of the business.  

 

Yes it does and it is true.

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

Yes it does and it is true.

Theyve never been a part of running J&J. 

Can we get this right. 

All owners got their money from other sources, born rich or earned money.  Its a second business for all of them. You dont buy a billion dollar organization as an hourly worker

 

[Scott Dierking]

7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Who manages the person who manages the GM?

Who manages that guy?

How many layers are needed? 

All I can do is judge results.

The GM results have been very bad. Do you disagree?

There has been organization upheaval and lack of clear and direct reporting structures? Do you disagree?

The product on the field has seemed to lack a connection between personnel and schemes. Do you disagree?

Cohesion between the coach and GM has been non-existent. Do you disagree?

Chris Johnson said yesterday that he recently has started going to the Jets facility more often, as he was unhappy with some of the communication and positional congruence? Do you feel this is the person that should be managing these positions?

 

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

Theyve never been a part of running J&J. 

Can we get this right. 

 

Where do you think they learned their operational chops?  An analytical and execution company like Google? Or a branding CPG that is in their family?

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

All I can do is judge results.

The GM results have been very bad. Do you disagree?

There has been organization upheaval and lack of clear and direct reporting structures? Do you disagree?

The product on the field has seemed to lack a connection between personnel and schemes. Do you disagree?

Cohesion between the coach and GM has been non-existent. Do you disagree?

Chris Johnson said yesterday that he recently has started going to the Jets facility more often, as he was unhappy with some of the communication and positional congruence? Do you feel this is the person that should be managing these positions?

 

One more time and over.

Neil Glatt has nothing to do with the Jets winning or losing games.  

You're looking for reasons beyond the obvious of why they havent been winning games.  Its not N Glatt and the marketing side of the business 

[Scott Dierking]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

One more time and over.

Neil Glatt has nothing to do with the Jets winning or losing games.  

You're looking for reasons beyond the obvious of why they havent been winning games.  Its not N Glatt and the marketing side of the business 

And, one more time, the Jets continually act like they are on a budget here. I will give them the benefit of that doubt, because if that is not the case, they are extremely obtuse and mind numbingly stubborn that they themselves can manage football on field decisions. 

It is one or the other. Again, I am giving them benefit that they are tight on purse strings. Otherwise, they are just incredibly stupid and have no regard for the on-field product.

[jetscrazey]

Neil is a suit with an MBA whose there to sell luxury suites.  He is irrelevant for football stuff. 

[joewilly12]

1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

There is nothing more useless than demanding the owner of a franchise to sell the team. First off, they don't care what you or I think. Second, even if they cared they are more likely to not sell the team when faced with this type of demand. They are billionaires. They aren't going to make billion dollar business decisions based on what a few construction workers from Toms River think of them. (See James Dolan)

[peekskill68]

3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Because his position is nothing more than a placeholder of nothingness.

Let's add a position of importance. One that will make a difference in real operations. ON FIELD

+100  When this season turns into another dumpster fire, when Gregg Williams and his son go on full tilt vs. Gase and his father-in-law, when the players start throwing the coaches under the bus Dolphin style, when CJ has to mediate non-stop Family Feud sessions, maybe THEN the Johnsons will realize they need a true President of Football Ops to steer the ship vs. an MBA who can push Gotham Green hat sales and Facebook likes...

[WayneChrebet80]

5 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

And, one more time, the Jets continually act like they are on a budget here. I will give them the benefit of that doubt, because if that is not the case, they are extremely obtuse and mind numbingly stubborn that they themselves can manage football on field decisions. 

It is one or the other. Again, I am giving them benefit that they are tight on purse strings. Otherwise, they are just incredibly stupid and have no regard for the on-field product.

My head is going to explode reading this thread. If not for reports of him sitting in on GM interviews five years ago you never would have heard of Glatt. 

 

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, WayneChrebet80 said:

My head is going to explode reading this thread. If not for reports of him sitting in on GM interviews five years ago you never would have heard of Glatt. 

 

Ok, Mrs Glatt.

[Maxman]

10 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Because his position is nothing more than a placeholder of nothingness.

Let's add a position of importance. One that will make a difference in real operations. ON FIELD

Your premise is terrible. If you remove a revenue generating position you generally don't get to replace that head count.

Regardless it just makes no sense. Neil has nothing to with football operations. This on on the Johnson's. They can hire whoever they want on the football side. There is no salary cap and money is not an issue.

[rex-n-effect]

I guess your operational genius does not include knowing how to read an organizational chart because the Jets call this position the Senior Director of Football Administration which is definitely a filled position in the current front office.

[Peace Frog]

It's like menstrual synchronization going on here with some of these thread.

[Matt39]

49 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Your premise is terrible. If you remove a revenue generating position you generally don't get to replace that head count.

Regardless it just makes no sense. Neil has nothing to with football operations. This on on the Johnson's. They can hire whoever they want on the football side. There is no salary cap and money is not an issue.

To be fair, we have no idea if this is true. The guy has the #Title that clearly puts him as second in command to the Johnson's. He's the President of the team, not marketing. He's the first guy listed in the media guide. Hell this guy has gotten a total pass throughout all of this and frankly we should be asking more about his role.

I'd like to think he has no say, but we have no idea. This type of speculation is the Johnson's fault. No org chart, no transparency as it relates to coaches/GM's contract details....all we can go by is title.

[NoBowles]

9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Me, reading Jet Nut's rageposts for the next few weeks:

 

You are much prettier than I imagined. Now I kind of would like to see you shirtless 

[T0mShane]

49 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Your premise is terrible. If you remove a revenue generating position you generally don't get to replace that head count.

Regardless it just makes no sense. Neil has nothing to with football operations. This on on the Johnson's. They can hire whoever they want on the football side. There is no salary cap and money is not an issue.

Wow. A forceful rebuke of @Scott Dierking from the owner of this website. You hate to see this kind of aggression between friends, but Scott forced his hand

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

To be fair, we have no idea if this is true. The guy has the #Title that clearly puts him as second in command to the Johnson's. I'd like to think he has no say, but we have no idea. This type of speculation is the Johnson's fault. No org chart, no transparency as it relates to coaches/GM's contract details....all we can go by is title.

Remember when Chris Johnson said, after firing Bowles, that they were making changes to their reporting structure and nobody in the press pursued it and then everyone got fired yesterday anyway?