Article: Philadelphia Eagles could lose Joe Douglas to the New York Jets, Jets Close to Deal (merged)

[southtown24th]

An All-Atlantic 10 selection, Douglas started 45 consecutive games at tackle for the University of Richmond. Following his collegiate playing career, he transitioned into a volunteer assistant coach with the Spiders’ football team in 1999.

 

Hence, the ESPN Richmond reporting...

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

 

Yes, but then the "normal" way, what would a career scout - promoted to being a first time GM, with no league-wide contacts beyond the team he'd been with for the last decade & a half - know about hiring a HC?

Only way to look at it is Gase was already hired. We're starting from that point, not the moment after the team announced they fired Bowles. At this later point, do you keep Macc or give Gase a guy he's comfortable with? Makes more sense to go with the latter, and let him sink or swim without the day 1 excuses Bowles and Macc had in each other (like Rex/Idzik before them).

No, the only way to look at it is we have an incompetent owner.  

You must have some level or foresight in a job like that - you must understand how a decision you make now will translate in 4 months.  NFL owners can't manage a business on a day-to-day basis.

This isn't about Mac or even Gase really - it's about Chris Johnson being in way over his head.  And that's the bigger long-term problem for this franchise.

[ComfortablyNumb]

He looks like the Mountain. We hiring the mountain??


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[flgreen]

49 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Don't they need to Rooney Rule this thing?

Kelly is probably in Gase's office as we speak.

[southtown24th]

it's a done deal

[FidelioJet]

3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Well, I happen to like Gase and if I was to put faith in either Gase or Macc, I am choosing Gase. But I agree, Gase hasn't done enough to warrant full control over an organization. But from what we know of Douglas, he is a well respected Front office guy. So it's not like we are hiring some random guy off the street. 

Agreed.  Gase was going to pick his guy and by virtually all accounts Joe Douglas is well respected.  

All we can do now is hope.

[slats]

If this happens, can we consider the circus closed after a one day run? 

[joewilly12]

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, slats said:

If this happens, can we consider the circus closed after a one day run? 

It would make total sense that we had a deal in principle lined up.  If we didn't, CJ would have waited until a late Friday afternoon for the firing to take place. 

[BROOKLYN JET]

Thank You Adam Gase!

[jeremy2020]

1 minute ago, slats said:

If this happens, can we consider the circus closed after a one day run? 

Not exactly. The coach as GM doesn't work out well even if he has rubber stamp holding the title.

[southtown24th]

3 minutes ago, slats said:

If this happens, can we consider the circus closed after a one day run? 

correct

[southtown24th]

1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said:

Not exactly. The coach as GM doesn't work out well even if he has rubber stamp holding the title.

huh

[Matt39]

Is this guy good? Smart? College? The jump from picking players to being the #guy is a pretty big. 

[jeremy2020]

1 minute ago, southtown24th said:

huh

Remember when Mac was the wunderkind genius? And they planned to hire him..

[Barry McCockinner]

13 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

Coming.

TMI

[14 in Green]

14 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

Well this would be nice. An actual plan is just so refreshing.


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You can call it a plan, my friend. I'm calling it a successful coup pulled off quickly and with cold hearted precision.

Not only did Gase get rid of Macc, he had a plan in place where he would hand pick his successor. Anyone who thinks this new GM isn't answering to Gase is kidding themselves.

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Not exactly. The coach as GM doesn't work out well even if he has rubber stamp holding the title.

It worked when Parcells was here.  It also worked well for a little while from a personnel standpoint when Mangini had a major say in the personnel decisions, which landed us Revis, David Harris, and the best O-Line in the NFL. 

What we've been doing prior to this hasn't worked for decades.  Let's give it a shot and see what happens!

[JetsFanatic]

5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Not exactly. The coach as GM doesn't work out well even if he has rubber stamp holding the title.

So do we want a HC and GM not on the same track, or do we want a HC and GM that are on the same page?

[slats]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Not exactly. The coach as GM doesn't work out well even if he has rubber stamp holding the title.

Douglas is a well respected personnel guy. He's not being bought in to be a rubber-stamp. He's a guy Gase knows and respects and presumably shares a lot of the same ideas about how to build a football team. He's here to work with the coach as opposed to the at odds HC/GM situation this team has had since Rex & Idzik. 

[Ken Schroy]

Please get this done asap.

[southtown24th]

5 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Is this guy good? Smart? College? The jump from picking players to being the #guy is a pretty big. 

We just went through Idzik and Maccagnan...it can not get any worse.

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

You can call it a plan, my friend. I'm calling it a successful coup pulled off quickly and with cold hearted precision.

Not only did Gase get rid of Macc, he had a plan in place where he would hand pick his successor. 

In 2001, Paul Tagliabue told us to hire Herm Edwards, so we did.

In 2009, we hired Rex Ryan despite the Ravens opting to give their HC job to a ST Coordinator over him. 

In 2013, Korn Ferry told us to hire John Idzik, so we did.

In 2015, Charlie Casserly told us to hire Mike Maccagnan and Todd Bowles, so we did. 

I'll take the military coup. 

[dbatesman]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Is this guy good? Smart? College? The jump from picking players to being the #guy is a pretty big. 

He’s VP of Player Personnel with the Eagles, so at least he’s an executive and not just a glorified scout. Came up with the Ravens, spent three years with the Eagles, so at least the pedigree is good. Of the available options, this seems like the one least likely to fail spectacularly.

[Matt39]

Just now, southtown24th said:

We just went through Idzik and Maccagnan...it can not get any worse.

You’d be surprised. Another rookie GM stepping into a volatile situation. Everyone is cheerleading this love when we no zero about this guy other than him bein the #footballman

[Patriot Killa]

it’s a fan tweet but these guys are really bummed about losing their VIP of Player Personnel. Says a lot.

[RichardTodd27]

40 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

He's going to be Gase's puppet.

Gase is the one getting him hired and Gase will be able to get him fired at any time.

They'll be attached at the hip. No doubt. But that's how it should be.

But, Gase was one of the better HC candidates out there and it seems like you can the say the same thing about Douglas as a GM candidate.

Headed in the right direction!

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

You’d be surprised. Another rookie GM stepping into a volatile situation. Everyone is cheerleading this love when we no zero about this guy other than him bein the #footballman

 

3 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

He’s VP of Player Personnel with the Eagles, so at least he’s an executive and not just a glorified scout. Came up with the Ravens, spent three years with the Eagles, so at least the pedigree is good. Of the available options, this seems like the one least likely to fail spectacularly.

 

[FidelioJet]

2 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said:

They'll be attached at the hip. No doubt. But that's how it should be.

But, Gase was one of the better HC candidates out there and it seems like you can the say the same thing about Douglas as a GM candidate.

Headed in the right direction!

Agree with everything there - except bolded.  IMO Gase was a horrible choice but he's our coach now.

[southtown24th]

3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

You’d be surprised. Another rookie GM stepping into a volatile situation. Everyone is cheerleading this love when we no zero about this guy other than him bein the #footballman

time to just let it happen...

The Jets suck...can it get any worse?

[Ken Schroy]

5 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

He’s VP of Player Personnel with the Eagles, so at least he’s an executive and not just a glorified scout. Came up with the Ravens, spent three years with the Eagles, so at least the pedigree is good. Of the available options, this seems like the one least likely to fail spectacularly.

Yes, but failure is always a possibility with this team. But I am hopeful.

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

You’d be surprised. Another rookie GM stepping into a volatile situation. Everyone is cheerleading this love when we no zero about this guy other than him bein the #footballman

 

23 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Eagles' investments in the O-Line since 2016 (Douglas was hired in May '16):

• OT Andre Dillard:  2019 1st round pick
• Starting LG Isaac Seumalo:  3rd round pick in 2016
• Starting RG Brandon Brooks:  Signed to a 5-year deal in 2016 (previously a Texan)
• G/C Stefen Wisneiwski:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2016 (previously a Jaguar), benched in 2018, then brought back in 2019 (presumably on a cheap deal)
• OT Matt Pryor:  2018 6th rounder
• OT Jordan Mailata:  2018 7th rounder
• OT Helapoulivaati Vaitai:  2016 5th rounder
• G Iosua Opeta:  2019 UDFA acquisition --> was projected 6th/7th rounder and compared to Kelvin Beachum

 

They did all this despite having LT Jason Peters, C Jason Kelce, and RT Lane Johnson all entrenched as starters since 2013. 

THIS is how you build an O-Line pipeline:  Draft O-Linemen every season, even if you already have plenty of depth there, and supplement with free agent pickups. 

It's also a great way to win a Super Bowl. 

 

VS. JETS under Macc:

• G James Carpenter:  Signed to 4-year deal in 2015
• G Willie Colon:  Signed to a 1-year deal in 2015 (started 6 games, then never played again)
• G Jarvis Harrison:  Drafted in 5th round in 2015 (spent 2015 on PS, then was cut in 2016)
• OT Ryan Clady:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2016, got back a 7th (started 8 games then got hurt and retired)
• OT Brandon Shell:  Drafted in 5th round in 2016 (29 starts, received a 62.7 grade from PFF last season, # 56-ranked OT)
• LT Kelvin Beachum:  Signed to 3-year deal in 2017 (86 starts, received a 65.9 grade from PFF last season, # 48-ranked OT)
• G/C Spencer Long:  Signed to a 4-year deal in 2018 (couldn't snap, released in February 2019)
• G Kelechi Osemele:  Received in trade for 5th rounder in 2019, got back a 6th
• OT Chuma Edoga:  Drafted in 3rd round in 2019

 

The Eagles had 3 entrenched starters on their O-Line prior to 2016, yet have used a 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounder on O-Linemen, and signed 2 others to significant contracts in that span.

The Jets have had O-Line problems ever since Ferguson's decline and retirement in 2015 and Mangold's decline and retirement in 2016.  But in Macc's tenure, he's only used 3 draft picks (one 3rd, two 5th's) on O-Linemen, and as a result was forced to send draft assets for older veteran band-aids like Clady (who had an awful injury history) and Osemele (probably his best move on the O-line to date) and overpay a guy like Kelvin Beachum to hold the fort at LT (and he'll need to be replaced next season).  And of course his Spencer Long signing was a complete disaster.

 

[T0mShane]

The headline here is that a young, desirable GM candidate who's been climbing the ladder for twenty years and whom presumably has some options has actively chosen to come work for the Jets, and with Adam Gase, in the year of our lord 2019. The Jets usually can't even get a guy like this to come in for an interview, much less take the job. Within two days time, Gase has fired Maccagnan and brought in a coveted executive with a pedigree. Not too shabby.

[Jolot]

So we fired the 2nd worst GM we’ve had in recent memory, at a time BTW when more GMs get fired than the clown agenda driven Jets media will have you believe , bring in what seems to be a top GM prospect who has a good relationship with our new HC, seems like a good deal to me ...but Joe, Evan and Manish are mad so clown show same old Jets ...yea ok , whatever . 

[T0mShane]

17 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Is this guy good? Smart? College? The jump from picking players to being the #guy is a pretty big. 

FWIW, Roseman loved him:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/1/5/14172260/who-is-joe-douglas-and-what-will-he-do-for-the-eagles-in-2017