nico002 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. 4 16 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The owners hire guys that suck, and keep them too long, but they don't suck. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deucebag Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Just now, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. You must be joking. The Johnsons have no idea what they are doing, they have never worked a day in their lives. I wouldn't want them to run a Burger King let alone a professional football franchise. If they had a clue they would have hired a Football man years ago but they remain stubborn and think they can run the team themselves like the Jets are a video game they used to play on their Atari when they were kids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joewilly12 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deucebag Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, prime21 said: This is going to go down hill quickly. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Nah tho that seems like the likely scenario I actually believe Gase is going to be a success mostly because we have great locker room leadership in Darnold, Adams and Mosely. All we need from Gase and Williams are creative game plans which both are more than capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deucebag Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. The T-Shirt launchers never make it to midfield - I blame the Johnson's damnit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. Dear Woody. You are a terrible businessman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CTM Posted May 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. The organizational structure breeds dysfunction when the guy in charge is clueless about this business. If we had an experienced head of football operations who both the GM and coach reported too it would be significantly less problematic. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. They are the defacto Manager of pro football personnel. That in and of itself is practically criminal negligence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, nico002 said: Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. It's almost as if they were grossly incompetent, in which case we should probably blame the person who hired them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 If they wanted to run the marketing, I would say fine. I mean the NFL as an entity does 95% of the heavy lifting for you in that area. The fact that they feel they need to nudge into personnel is a massive overreach on their part. Jeff Lurie did the same thing in Philly for the first decade or so that he owned the team. He finally figured it out that it wasn't a game for both he and Joe Banner to play fantasy football with. The Eagles have been better since. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. who Hired Macc and Bowles ? Who keeps making dysfunctional decisions like firing a GM after letting him spend 100 mil in FA and run the entire draft ? Who watched both Bowles and Macc fail at their jobs for 4 + years and watch as the locker room Imploded twice ? Do I need to continue ? Dysfunction in an organization starts at the top and there is no way to dispute that fact. You hire a bunch of clowns you get a circus hopefully somehow in the next few weeks we can get this sorted out just keep in mind a good owner is not just about spending money just look at Daniel Snyder and the Johnsons for that matter . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The Johnson Bros are like 90% of the wealthy people in this country. They woke up on 3rd base, and act like they hit a triple 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. How about the general structure of the FO, CS. CJ Just acknowledged that until after last season he wasn't sure what a GM's job was, and basically has no knowledge of football. Both the HC, and the GM only report to CJ. In other words no one in charge, except a guy who knows nothing about football. That always works in any business. Funny thing is, CJ says he is going to take more control, and still has no knowledge of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinemanCT Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 My biggest problem with the Johnson brother is they need real football guys running this team ... Now more that ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. THEY LISTENED TO CHARLIE CASSERLY. CASSERLY. That narrow it down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. Off the top of my head, extending Mac and Bowles, then allowing Mac one extra offseason before firing him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. They may not meddle but they’ve picked bad people ever since Parcells left and he was hired by Hess. The last 2 gm’s had their coach picked by someone else with Idzilk getting Rex and Mac getting Bowles which is a** backwards. They seem to react too much to media and fan criticism and they have no track record of running a successful business. Other than that they’re great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. The owners have control over the structure of the organization. The current structure is and has been a joke. The owner forced a marriage of Idzik to rex and did not give Idzik a chance to hire his coach, they failed. The owners forced Macc into a marriage with Bowles and never gave him a real chance to hide his own coach, they failed. The owner is going to force whoever the new gm is into a marriage with Gase, my money is that they will not allow the new gm to select their own coach and that once again we will fail. To say the ownership has no blame in the failure of the jets would be false.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 It's always the owners fault. Always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. Tebow, Tim, QB, Denver----> Jets "you can never get enough Tim Tebow" - Robert Wood "Woody" Johnson IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dcat said: Tebow, Tim, QB, Denver----> Jets "you can never get enough Tim Tebow" - Robert Wood "Woody" Johnson IV There is also Revis, but he specified 5 years to avoid that. lol We have no idea how much CJ has meddled. Owners don't usually embrace responsibility for their team sucking. They just blame other people and fire them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. Even by your logic, who chose to hire Macc and Bowles? Who kept both of them on for far longer than either deserved? Who chose to have the HC and the GM each report to ownership (instead of the HC reporting to the GM)? Who chose to let Macc spend $100M and run the draft and then fired him (rather than letting the new GM come in and decide how to use those resources)? Who chose a HC that wasn't on the same page as the GM? (And don't give me this "Macc hired Gase" nonsense. The Johnson family hired him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, slats said: Off the top of my head, extending Mac and Bowles, then allowing Mac one extra offseason before firing him. Telling Mike Tannenbaum to give a ridiculous, cap-strapping , guaranteed salary increase to Mark Sanchez to soothe Mark's butthurt from adding Tim Tebow to the roster. Cap screwed us for a couple of years there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, nico002 said: Give me specific examples of how owner meddling has hurt the Jets in the last 5 years. The new uniforms are ass compared to the old ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I actually couldn’t think of a dumber take than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. Did you know the Johnson hired an "expert" to help the Jets find the next GM 4 years ago? This "expert" hired his friend and former boss, Macc. who was about to be fired by the Texans. Macc indebted to this friend probably drafted or signed some of this guy favorite. So yeah, the owner ALSO put this franchise in this predicament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The buck stops with the man in charge. When that man has been screwing up for 20 years, that’s exactly who you blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, nico002 said: The Johnson's are some of the best owners in the NFL. They spend money, that is literally all that you can ask an owner to do. Mac and Bowels were given plenty of time and resources to win- they didn't. The idea that the Jets are dysfunctional because the owner "meddles" is absurd. The Jets sucked because Mac and Bowels sucked. Firing Macc when he did was about as competent as Leon Hess firing Pete Carroll and replacing him with Rich Kotite. Why would you fire the guy after the draft and after the spending spree? It makes no sense. He should have been fired a season ago along with Toilet Bowles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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