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9 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Then I wont say another word on this until week 17. 

Fair? 

I didn't say that you couldn't talk about it.  Just pointing out that we haven't had any actual results yet.  All signs point to suck, but plenty of times guys turn it around. 

5 minutes ago, CTM said:

The johnsons just had a HC / GM combo that failed in first 3 years yet they extended them anyway for rebuild #2.

When they preductably failed again in year 4 (starting rookie QB), instead of canning or retaining both, they fire the coach and retain the GM with a strong vote of confidence. In the process, they hand the keys to the near time future of the franchise to said GM letting him pick a coach, run an important draft and spend 100M in free agency. Once that was all done and the roster for 19 more of less fixed,  they fire the GM.

The idea that the johnsons will act rationally or logically is folly.

 

Did I sound like I was supporting the way this has been handled?  Maccagnan and Bowles were hired as dual equals reporting to the owner.  I think it is preferable to have a chief and his lackey.  No matter what you think of the crony, he still should go with his mentor. .  

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19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Alright, so, let’s say hypothetically that the Jets fired Macc back in January and they turned around and hired Joe Douglas, who is allegedly a bright, young GM candidate who’d be a well-received hire. And then Douglas hires his buddy Gase. And then they sign Le’Veon and Mosley, and draft Quinnen Williams, which we’re all pretty mainstream moves to make. We’re essentially at the same point anyway, no? 

No.

1) Its fairly clear that Gase wasnt on board with FA pickups and its certain the team would have a significantly different makeup today in your scenario even before we insert Douglas's opinion.

2) Douglas hiring Gase would establish a clear traditional hierarchy rather than what we will have which is Douglas being told he has roster control but kinda sorta knowing hes Gase's bitch and oh yeah, it took Gase 4 months of knowing the johnson to knife the last guy when he didnt get his way.

3) Doing it this way makes this year and probably next year a scratch and allows the ghost of Mac to be blamed for this teams failings into 2020. If the team wins 7 games next year whose fault is it? Mac? Gase? Douglas? Responsibility is vague and with vagueness comes treachery.

And other stuff but I'm bored now

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1 hour ago, section314 said:

At this point, who the hell cares? We've been waiting 50 years, if Gase hates the world, but gets us a Super Bowl, more power to him.

I think this team needs a sonofabitch like Gase to take control. This place has been a playpen for grown men since Manginis players eroded around Rex. 

Bowles was a horrific coach with zero scheme skills, zero discipline, zero accountability. I can't believe we actually have fans crying about the Dolphin players he traded, (Jarvis azzhole Landry), (Jay azzhole Ajayi), or benched (Kenyon azzhole Drake). Ok, so he doesn't have the pelts on the wall, how do you earn those pelts? First it starts with having a franchise QB, then you need a disciplined team around him that BUYS INTO THE PROGRAM. 

The facts are that Gase WON GAMES WITH A HEALTHY TANNYHILL. I personally think in spite of all the turmoil right now, this team is going to surprise & Gase gets the last laugh. And if Le'veon isn't buying into the program, sit him on the f*cking bench! The patients have been running the asylum for 8 years here now, this organization needs a wake up call.

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4 hours ago, bitonti said:

Matt Rhule Required a 15 million dollar buyout from Baylor 

McCarthy was a top 10 paid HC last year 

neither was a real candidate for this job 

They hired Gase because he was cheap and available. 

This last statement is the one everyone's going to bash me for but there's no actual proof he's better than Todd Bowles. 

In fact Gase such an offensive genius had the last ranked offense in football last year... worse than Jeremy Bates messing with Sasquatch... 

 

Pretty much the bottom line. Besides the silly power structure, the biggest issue here is the Johnsons aren’t willing to pay for someone to be in charge of the on the field product. Either they're cheap or unwilling to give up power or the likely combination of both. But it is a fact at this point that the Johnsons are not going to pay a premium for an established hire.

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I think we fell into an ok situation despite the bungling.

i hates Bowles and like Gase so far. I was done with Mac but like the free agents we got. So I think the team is in a decent spot having all our draft picks in the coming years and some foundational pieces on the team and still have a little cap room to make some additions when they come up in a year.

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20 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I didn't say that you couldn't talk about it.  Just pointing out that we haven't had any actual results yet.  All signs point to suck, but plenty of times guys turn it around. 

Did I sound like I was supporting the way this has been handled?  Maccagnan and Bowles were hired as dual equals reporting to the owner.  I think it is preferable to have a chief and his lackey.  No matter what you think of the crony, he still should go with his mentor. .  

Understand. My statements were more based on management and ownership. I wasnt relegating the Jets to a premature 1-15 seasons. I was just expressing how this season is already looking from an ownership and front office level. 

To know that all of those leaks were true, lets me know that you have loose lips in that organization. It was probably Gase, but with that said, its clear that the stability of the franchise is looking suspect right now. We dont even need to get to the games to know that the coach lied, the owner lied, the coach was already criticising the new signings, which isnt their fault for signing lucrative deals, etc. 

My point is, this sounds like alot of the stuff that started in Miami. We havent even made it to the preseason and look at what's going on. Could things work out? That's always a possibility, but what about it being probable? 

Is it a circus to fire your GM in May? Yes, but outside of the optics, im more concerned about the teamwork/comradery in the building. There were clearly folks in the know who were putting all of this stuff out on twitter way ahead of time. I bet it wasnt Macc doing it, so who was it? No one knows, but I bet they're still in the building. 

It doesnt seem like a good situation from that perspective is all im saying. 

 

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23 minutes ago, CTM said:

No.

1) Its fairly clear that Gase wasnt on board with FA pickups and its certain the team would have a significantly different makeup today in your scenario even before we insert Douglas's opinion.

2) Douglas hiring Gase would establish a clear traditional hierarchy rather than what we will have which is Douglas being told he has roster control but kinda sorta knowing hes Gase's bitch and oh yeah, it took Gase 4 months of knowing the johnson to knife the last guy when he didnt get his way.

3) Doing it this way makes this year and probably next year a scratch and allows the ghost of Mac to be blamed for this teams failings into 2020. If the team wins 7 games next year whose fault is it? Mac? Gase? Douglas? Responsibility is vague and with vagueness comes treachery.

And other stuff but I'm bored now

That’s ok because I stopped reading at “clear, traditional hierarchy.” 

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3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Envisioning you pulling up behind him in your Toyota Prius with the leopard print seat covers, rainbow NY Jets sticker in the back window asking him if everything is alright and if not you will make it right.  All along you have been following him for 7 states since he packed his bags at Florham Park you even scaled the fence and gathered his tossed out belongings from the facility dumpster. Your heart is broken over the NY Jets firing a guy who you looked up to in a sick sense of mind way a dad and a lover. So here the two of your are under the SC blazing sun sweat droplets pouring off both you. In the distance is a no tell Motel with a Vacancy light flicking on and off he turns to you and says lets do this and he reaches into his car and puts on a #33 Jamal Adams jersey on and you cannot control yourself and the two of you lock lips and arms as passing motorists look like they are seeing Bigfoot roadside.

To be continued......................

Disgusting, but lol

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3 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Okay, he's an idiot. And we've got a team built by an idiot and a coach hired by an idiot. And you're content to settle for one less idiot like we actually won a game or something. Set the bar lower, seriously. Because it's a blast having to watch a team made for the four-year old demographic.

He was a colossal horrible gm. As lombardi pointing out When you go to Team Building 101, the first thing they teach you in Team Building 101 is [to] draft offensive linemen.” There is not a gm in nfl, who inherited a average OL, and not draft a OL before fifth round in his first four years. OL protects your qb, the most important position by far, in case you didn’t know. Wow he finally drafted one in the 3rd round in his fifth yr. you have to grab them in the first 2 rounds. They have become expensive in FA, why make has ONLY signed or traded for OLs that were unproven or lot of injury questions. Yet he spends the world on D in FA. HE would have drafted another D tackle in the first round next yr, if his little bpa chart said so. He Was a wet  dream gm for a Dcord who has no business being HC.  

 I’m not sold on Gase, but thankfully we have someone in power who actually cares about the offense, and protecting our young prized qb. He had to blow this up and say to Johnsons “ what the hell are you doing with this guy ,?” He doesn’t even care about bringing in a starting center, a huge position for a 2nd yr qb. Darnold is much better off with Gase who will fight for darnold and the O. I’m sure whatever gm comes in will also believe that. If he can prey Douglas from philly, he is coach of the yr already.  

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24 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Envisioning you pulling up behind him in your Toyota Prius with the leopard print seat covers, rainbow NY Jets sticker in the back window asking him if everything is alright and if not you will make it right.  All along you have been following him for 7 states since he packed his bags at Florham Park you even scaled the fence and gathered his tossed out belongings from the facility dumpster. Your heart is broken over the NY Jets firing a guy who you looked up to in a sick sense of mind way a dad and a lover. So here the two of your are under the SC blazing sun sweat droplets pouring off both you. In the distance is a no tell Motel with a Vacancy light flicking on and off he turns to you and says lets do this and he reaches into his car and puts on a #33 Jamal Adams jersey on and you cannot control yourself and the two of you lock lips and arms as passing motorists look like they are seeing Bigfoot roadside.

To be continued......................

My Dad Wrote a Gay Porno

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4 hours ago, GreenFish said:

This feels like a reach. It seemed like CJ was running the show. Manning called CJ not Macc. CJ made the call to hire Gase. I’m starting to think all these leaks are coming from CJ trying to cover himself.

Totally agree.  Macc and Gase have been consistent throughout this melodrama.  Gase has been the psycho alpha and Macc the indecisive beta from the word go.  The only flip flopper has been CJ and he is at the core of the latest SOJ circus meme.  When the wheels come off the bus with this latest iteration, I hope he and Woody realize finally they have no business being involved in the decision making of a professional sports franchise...

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Keeping Rex gave us Idzik. Bowles and Dan Quinn were far and away the top two most desirable coaching candidates in 2015. Rex Ryan will never work in the league again. Mike Maccagnan is going to be driving aroud the Deep South this summer in 100 degree heat in a rented Toyota Tercel scouting community colleges as an entry-level scout for an XFL team. Enjoy your coffee. 

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3 hours ago, rammagen said:

here is the thing about Lombardi he is looking for a way back into the nfl. I would not trust allot of what he says because he is fishing for attention.

I still think this is power play by Gase and any rope or slack he had went out the door with Mac who the perfect person to blame and get some breathing room. He has to win period otherwise it will get ugly just because people who are thinking this are not loud or posting every five minutes does not mean there are not allot fans who embarrassed by the timing of the move and the cover up stories that follow. 

Put it this way I prolly wont spend my money on new gear this yr because i really disliked the coach they hired and this. I was planning on going to a game but you know the Bahamas sound nice this year as well.

We all want a winner but not all of want to be the laughing stock trying to get there

Also his son Mick was assistant QB coach for the Jets who was fired so Mike has an axe to grind with the Jets and Gase.

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13 minutes ago, CTM said:

Didnt see this T0m and Joe's willy trading gay fanfic turn of events but im down.

Theres a faint rumbling coming from the cargo section of the Toyota Prius muffled cries for help upon further review by MM as he turns to T0m and says what have you done who is this????  Is this Jamal Adams???? Adam Gase?????? Relax says T0m its my butt buddy @CTM as he removes the pillow case and then leather mask and ball gag.  I had him tied up in my parents  basement  in the Bronx for months we met on JetNation and he confided in me and me in him I brought him along for the ride. He's trying so hard to fit in and bash joewilly12 to make me happy. 

To be continued...............

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54 minutes ago, slats said:

Your favorite team fired their head coach and offensive coordinator during last season, and now they're the league's darlings. The vast majority of posters on this board wanted Mac gone, now he is. Better late than never. You identify the problems, and you take care of them. This is the lull of the league calendar. If not January, this is the next best time to make a front office move. I know you want to litigate the timing, but that's not the reality of the situation. I wanted him gone in January, he wasn't, I still wanted him gone on May 15, and then he was. That's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. 

Now they've gotta land an improvement. 

It's about how my favorite team handled the situation. There wasnt a bunch of stupidity and buffoonery by the owner probably because Dorsey told Haslam to sit in a corner and shut his mouth. There were speculation of a power move by Haley since Hard knocks, and clear leaks to the public (probably by Haley) about how Hue Jackson regarded Mayfield. Haley was the new OC on the block trying to position himself in Hue's spot, and he knew how to do it...or so he thought. To Haley's and the entire football world surprise, not only was Jackson fired, but Haley, the OC who was just hired also got the axe and was fired. Then Dorsey re-established order and showed that undermining your fellow coaches, and by doing so the front office, for the sake of gaining a fellow coaches position will not be tolerated. That is probably why "us Browns fans" didnt panic when we seen the move when the rest of the football world did. It was clear someone with a brain was running things. 

That's not what I just witnessed. So yeah, most of us wanted Macc gone, and it was better late than never, like Hue Jackson. But the folks who plotted and orchestrated via numerous leakes to the press regarding in house issues are basically being rewarded. 

 

How can I be confident that we can land an improvement if folks who can undermine can be rewarded because it took Chris Johnson 2 years to finally do a "deep dive" and realize that his GM was trash? 

It doesnt matter about who's my favorite, it matters that this team will continue to look like a circus and not a darling if this stupidity continues. 

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The biggest impediment to Jets success has historically been rampant organizational stupidity. I'm alright with someone who clearly knows this executing a coup and taking over. The place needs a bloodletting.

The fact that Gase can successfully manage a coup makes him the best leader we have had since Parcells

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Pac is 100% a mocha frozen latte man. 1400 calorie morning milkshake.

But then at lunch tells them to hold the pickles on his Big Mac because he’s on a diet 

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Pac is 100% a mocha frozen latte man. 1400 calorie morning milkshake.

His favorite drink is white Russians and then wonders why hes 280 despite marathon elliptical sessions 

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2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

There wasnt a bunch of stupidity and buffoonery by the owner probably because Dorsey told Haslam to sit in a corner and shut his mouth. There were speculation of a power move by Haley since Hard knocks, and clear leaks to the public (probably by Haley) about how Hue Jackson regarded Mayfield. Haley was the new OC on the block trying to position himself in Hue's spot, and he knew how to do it...or so he thought. To Haley's and the entire football world surprise, not only was Jackson fired, but Haley, the OC who was just hired also got the axe and was fired. Then Dorsey re-established order and showed that undermining your fellow coaches, and by doing so, the front office for the sake of gaining a fellow coaches position will not be tolerated.

I think the stupidity and buffoonery are largely in your head, and would've been evident in Cleveland if they hadn't started winning. What you're describing above sounds familiar if you want to believe some of the Maccagnan/Heimerdinger issues rumors. Rather than decide between the two of them, CJ fired them both. It's the off season, which is the better time to make these kinds of moves, but also because it's the off season it's getting a lot of traction because there's little else football related to talk about. 

Now the Jets need to land a GM upgrade and win some games this year. Then this'll be a non-story, if not a positive story. 

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5 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

The coaching search was such a fail they fired the searcher and gave his job to the fail.

Doesn't get a whole lot Jetsier than this.

It is a disgrace that this post isn’t upvoted higher than a plane towing a “fire everyone” banner over Florham Park.

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6 minutes ago, slats said:

I think the stupidity and buffoonery are largely in your head, and would've been evident in Cleveland if they hadn't started winning. What you're describing above sounds familiar if you want to believe some of the Maccagnan/Heimerdinger issues rumors. Rather than decide between the two of them, CJ fired them both. It's the off season, which is the better time to make these kinds of moves, but also because it's the off season it's getting a lot of traction because there's little else football related to talk about. 

Now the Jets need to land a GM upgrade and win some games this year. Then this'll be a non-story, if not a positive story. 

That's actually a great response. 

Though I will say, the Macc/Heimerdinger issues were never made public until AFTER their firing. Everyone seen what was going on with Haley and Hue. 

It seems like that's the narrative that the Jets organization was going to run with. 

Not the same situation....but I must acknowledge that if it IS TRUE, then that's a damn good point. 

Maybe you seen it, but I never heard a word about Macc/Heimerdinger issues before the firings. 

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1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

That's actually a great response. 

Though I will say, that Macc/Heimerdinger issues were never made public until AFTER their firing. Everyone seen what was going on with Haley and Hue. 

It seems like that's the narrative that the Jets organization was going to run with. 

Not the same situation....but I must acknowledge that if it IS TRUE, then that's a damn good point. 

Maybe you seen it, but I never heard a word about Macc/Heimerdinger issues before the firings. 

Well, it's not like the Jets just did a TV show. One thing you have to say is that under Mac, they were pretty tight-lipped. 

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6 minutes ago, slats said:

Well, it's not like the Jets just did a TV show. One thing you have to say is that under Mac, they were pretty tight-lipped. 

Exactly! 

The press never had anything leaked to them that hit twitter for months. The Jets "werent on a hit TV show". Before the Gase hiring, there were never any leaked information. No issues with Heimerdinger...nothing. 

Gase gets hired, and sh*t hits the fan, and im talking about things that were being leaked was ACCURATE in terms of the Jets firing Macc after the draft and looking to the Eagles staff for a possible replacement. 

This never happened pre-Gase. 

 

Now I appreciate him getting Macc out of here, but im not insane to be concerned about this guy, especially with his history in Miami. 

 

It could work, but........man!!!! 

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1 hour ago, David Harris said:

I think we fell into an ok situation despite the bungling.

i hates Bowles and like Gase so far. I was done with Mac but like the free agents we got. So I think the team is in a decent spot having all our draft picks in the coming years and some foundational pieces on the team and still have a little cap room to make some additions when they come up in a year.

It's a premium setup: Gase is a hardo, but the roster is so young and so bad that it's essentially a clean slate for him. If he hates a guy, he can dump them and, assuming we hire Joe Douglas, go get the guy he wants in that spot. People forget how highly regarded Gase was a few years ago, and he wasn't all that terrible in Miami, especially considering their management situation. The Jets are in the best position now than they've been in since Parcells took over. OBVIOUSLY, Gase isn't Parcells, but he's got the green light to control his own destiny here, which we haven't had since 1998.

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It's a premium setup: Gase is a hardo, but the roster is so young and so bad that it's essentially a clean slate for him. If he hates a guy, he can dump them and, assuming we hire Joe Douglas, go get the guy he wants in that spot. People forget how highly regarded Gase was a few years ago, and he wasn't all that terrible in Miami, especially considering their management situation. The Jets are in the best position now than they've been in since Parcells took over. OBVIOUSLY, Gase isn't Parcells, but he's got the green light to control his own destiny here, which we haven't had since 1998.

Fair point. 

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Reports coming in there is a large law enforcement officials including SWAT gathering in the area of the Rodeway Inn. The white Toyota Prius is parked in the  lot reportedly owned by @T0mShane Conflicting reports are surfacing that the Johnson brothers landed a helicopter moments ago and were ushered in the backdoor of  room #33 where @T0mShane @CTM and Mike Maccagnan are believed to be held up.  Witnesses are saying they've seen Todd Bowles driving by and circling the parking lot. An unidentified individual fitting the description of Manish Mehta was just allowed access to room #33. A Dunkin Donuts truck just pulled up. 

More to follow............

 

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6 hours ago, rammagen said:

I am not against the firing but the timing of it sucks and makes us look foolish as a team, what in the world gives people confidence in gase when the facts laid out logically show him to be a sub 500 coach who never developed a young qb. A coach with an ego issue https://www.thesportster.com/news/adam-gases-final-weeks-with-dolphins-was-full-of-massive-arguments-with-owner-stephan-ross/

this is from a beat writer in Miami

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-hyde-gase-jets-gm-20190515-33kanq6k2jd4ni5qxs7dz7y66y-story.html

What I see is the team making big old turd sandwhich  when they should have fired Macc when the fired Bowles. Pretty simple answer bring a new regime and avoid all of this.

What I see is a sub 500 coach who has not coached a single game for the Jets being overloaded when every ounce of energy should be spent on getting Sam up to speed, not trading linebackers or talking with GMs. He supposedly does one job well let him do it, now this is another built in excuse for a bad yr.

You should either get your eyes checked or stop looking.....

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5 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

I should have known making that statement would cause someone to respond like this.  I clearly didnt say that they were some "model franchise". My statement was made BECAUSE they've been so bad, because they've been the absolute worse. The moment they established order they begin going in the right direction. Ironically, The Browns are in a better position and the Rams were in just in the SB. So the 10 year comparison has nothing to do with what im talking about in regards to recent history.

That was my point. The Jets are still doing stupid sh*t, so they're getting stupid results. I dont need a ranking over the last 10 years to know that today the Browns are in a better position than the Jets because they got a guy who's not with the buffoonery. It's really that simple. 

You don't have to "clearly state" anything for it to be true.  The inference is quite enough.  You can't deny that you approach many, {in my view way too many} Jet's issues though the lens of how it relates to the Browns and how they "handle things".  

I agree with you that the Jets have been notoriously bad in how they have handled things, starting with the GM=Head Coach mantra.  It doesn't work that way in any organizational structure, there has to be someone in charge.  All managers only reporting to ownership invariably creates a culture of anarchy and back biting as it has predictably done here.  Even children picking sides in juvenile role playing know this.  Somehow it has escaped the Johnson brothers.

I understand that you are a Brown's fan.  I just wish that you might consider occasionally  looking at Jet's problems through the prism of a Jet's fan, which you claim to be.  Constantly referring to the Browns in every post gets a little bit nauseating, that's all.?

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