This years draft may soften the blow on Macc's legacy with Jets

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said:

I admittedly despised the Gase hire, but this is so laughably ridiculous.

Meanwhile, all we've heard from the day he was hired, and even before it was official, is how much Gase's #1 interest in this job was based around his infatuation with Darnold.

 

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

Did the 8 foot man dunk? 

No 8 footers in nba jiffy.. everyone in the nba can dunk on a 8 foot rim, mac would probably trip trying to dunk on a 6 foot rim ?

[Peace Frog]

2 hours ago, Alka said:

I think that ultimately getting Sam Darnold the way we did was very lucky.  Even with luck, Macc made it happen and deserves the credit.  

Luck, design, divine intervention, hard work, voodoo, Giant f*ck up, the Cleveland surprise, it doesn't matter.

Mac was the GM that got us Sam and he should get credit for it.  

[Apache 51]

2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Luck, design, divine intervention, hard work, voodoo, Giant f*ck up, the Cleveland surprise, it doesn't matter.

Mac was the GM that got us Sam and he should get credit for it.  

No doubt.

[sec101row23]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

 

 

I agree with JiF. Mac made a trade in March to move to 3. As most teams do they had a good read that either Mayfield or Darnold would make it to the 3rd pick. By trading in March Mac actually paid less than he would have needed to 6 weeks later to make the move to 3 on draft night.

Gase, hopefully, turns out to be the man, but his past is not "glowing with success". Outside of Manning falling in Denver's lap, he had a decent year with Ryan Tannehill once. Lets not act like Gase is anything but a Rex Ryan want to be..... and hell Rex as a DC was better than Gase as an OC.... 

Prove me wrong Gase.... or GTFO.

The only reason he made the move then was because his Plan A, number one option, was to give Kirk Cousins $30 million dollars per year.  Once Maccagnan was used as leverage as he normally was, he HAD to move up as high as he can get to assure himself one of the top 3 guys.  Just imagine had plan A worked and we were sitting here with Cousins and $66 million dollars remaining on his contract.   Mac was lucky it worked put the way it did.  Damn lucky.  

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

The only reason he made the move then was because his Plan A, number one option, was to give Kirk Cousins $30 million dollars per year.  Once Maccagnan was used as leverage as he normally was, he HAD to move up as high as he can get to assure himself one of the top 3 guys.  Just imagine had plan A worked and we were sitting here with Cousins and $66 million dollars remaining on his contract.   Mac was lucky it worked put the way it did.  Damn lucky.  

it's also hard to believe that the indecisive mccagnan was the driving force behind the trade, that dinger/cj also played a role.  today it doesn't matter.

[Stark]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

The only reason he made the move then was because his Plan A, number one option, was to give Kirk Cousins $30 million dollars per year.  Once Maccagnan was used as leverage as he normally was, he HAD to move up as high as he can get to assure himself one of the top 3 guys.  Just imagine had plan A worked and we were sitting here with Cousins and $66 million dollars remaining on his contract.   Mac was lucky it worked put the way it did.  Damn lucky.  

So..... It doesn't matter what didn't happened. Yes, he was willing to pay Cousins, he didn't get him -he got played by Cousins and made a move (trade) early and it paid off. 

lucky, fine.... you can't discount everything. I guess you preferred he misses out on Cousins and just stays at 6 and takes Josh Allen, lol.

[Stark]

17 minutes ago, JiF said:

Mac didnt have to trade up to #3...

but Jets fans rather play the, if the Giants didnt take Barkley game.  Strange fanbase really.  

lol, agree. JETS fans here aren't happy unless they are bitching about something..... 

 

[32EBoozer]

2 hours ago, slats said:

Really have to hope that QW turns out to be better than Ed Oliver, especially with Oliver in the division. QW just felt like the prototypical Safe Maccagnan Pick there. Polite being on par with Allen would be huge. 

This is precisely the reason the OL should have been addressed in FA. Our OL will make Oliver look like the 2nd coming of Reggie White.

Buffalo, who invested HEAVILY in the OL in FA will neutralize QW and make the Jets look like idiots for not making a trade down and taking Oliver later. 

I guess we'll just have to see what we can pickup during camp cuts and possible trades before the season.

[sec101row23]

Just now, Stark said:

So..... It doesn't matter what didn't happened. Yes, he was willing to pay Cousins, he didn't get him -he got played by Cousins and made a move (trade) early and it paid off. 

lucky, fine.... you can't discount everything. I guess you preferred he misses out on Cousins and just stays at 6 and takes Josh Allen, lol.

You’re missing the point.  It was pure luck the way it played put.  To give him credit for something that he HAD to do, and overpay while doing it is silly.  

[sec101row23]

5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

it's also hard to believe that the indecisive mccagnan was the driving force behind the trade, that dinger/cj also played a role.  today it doesn't matter.

No, it doesn’t matter today, but to go on and give Maccagnan “credit” for getting lucky by having several things fall into place is comical.  

[Stark]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

You’re missing the point.  It was pure luck the way it played put.  To give him credit for something that he HAD to do, and overpay while doing it is silly.  

pure luck.... if that is how you want to classify it that is fine. Teams speak to other teams, he made the trade with information from somewhere that either Mayfield or Darnold would be there. 

You say he overpaid. what do you think that move costs on draft night, lol.. there is no such thing as overpaying for a franchise QB.

[Stark]

1 minute ago, sec101row23 said:

No, it doesn’t matter today, but to go on and give Maccagnan “credit” for getting lucky by having several things fall into place is comical.  

lol 

[UntouchableCrew]

Statement 1: It was smart of Mac to trade up to 3 because it gave him his best chance of landing one of the elite QB prospects that likely wouldn't have lasted until 6.

Statement 2: Mac more than likely made that trade with Baker Mayfield in mind assuming Darnold would go 1 and the Giants wouldn't touch Baker and was lucky that after Baker went 1 the Giants were idiots and took a RB 2nd overall.

Both of these statements can be true.

[Bleedin Green]

38 minutes ago, Stark said:

lol, agree. JETS fans here aren't happy unless they are bitching about something..... 

 

While other Jets fans here are endless apologists for useless incompetents who were deservedly, and long overdue to be, fired.  All such fun times.

[Stark]

14 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

While other Jets fans here are endless apologists for useless incompetents who were deservedly, and long overdue to be, fired.  All such fun times.

genius

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

The only reason he made the move then was because his Plan A, number one option, was to give Kirk Cousins $30 million dollars per year.  Once Maccagnan was used as leverage as he normally was, he HAD to move up as high as he can get to assure himself one of the top 3 guys.  Just imagine had plan A worked and we were sitting here with Cousins and $66 million dollars remaining on his contract.   Mac was lucky it worked put the way it did.  Damn lucky.  

I know it would have cost us $30M per, but we also would have had Quinten Nelson, Braden Smith, Dallas Goedart and Rock Ya-Sin.  Having Nelson we would not have needed to trade for Osemele and could have saved $10M there and kept our 5th - or made the deal and saved on Winters  - or just had a quality bench.  Having Smith at RT would have saved us from needing the trade up for Edoga, though I don't see why we needed to trade up.