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WayneChrebet80

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At the end of the day other than willingness to spend money (The Wilpons) what constitues a good and bad owner?

James Dolan is a great example of this. Forget his personality (it sucks)-what makes him a bad owner? The Rangers have had success on the ice, is it his fault the Knicks haven’t enjoyed success on the court?

If the Jets win a super bowl do the Johnson’s all of a sudden become good owners?

 

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It would help if you grew up watching and playing the sport for the team you own. Does anyone think Chris or Woody ever played any high school football? That would at least give you a decent base of knowledge to help you hire the right people. Also if you were a self made Billionaire that would go along way towards being a successful owner of a team rather than just spending Daddys money to buy a team. Thirdly do what an owner is supposed to do and don't try to be the GM.

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A good sports franchise owner delivers to his or her fans a winning team with a class operation that supports its community and behaves better than average. 

They can spend money, or draft well, or both.  But they produce a winner that their fans are proud of.

I actually think Woody did a decent job his first ten years as owner.  Last ten have not been good.  

 

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2 hours ago, WayneChrebet80 said:

If the Jets win a super bowl do the Johnson’s all of a sudden become good owners?

 

The Johnson's have done more and spent more for the Jets and their fans than any owners before or since.  They have been smart and strategic and where they didn't have experience they brought it in.  Yes, like 31 other teams every year they didn't win it all but the trajectory from 2002-2011 and the trajectory from 2018-beyond was/is very competitive and did/should have us in contention.

The Johnson's are good owners.  Winning a Super Bowl would make them great owners.

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 


Explain how it’s not our owners’ fault why our GMs have been Terry Bradway, Mike Tannenbaum, John Idzik and Mike Maccagnan.

 

You don't  want to know. He apparently  doesn't need to make decisions  that please the fans and/but he's  still bathing in riches. 50 years of making millions upon millions ,while losing. Apparently  no incentive  to win is needed or strived for. 

  

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It is a tough question because there is no ideal archetype. Some “meddlers” have found success (Jerry Jones) while some “absent owners” have. I’m thinking Paul Allen. And then you have the Packers.

If I had to say one trait for a successful owner it would probably be someone who knows what s/he doesn’t know. Probably rare when you’re talking about billionaires.

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Any owner of any business should understand what he does well, and then manage to stay in his lane. 

Then hire good people that have a track record of success in areas of your deficiencies. Then trust those people to do their jobs, while checking in with you and proper council.

Continue to meet with those people to ensure that they have what they need in order to succeed within their given responsibilities and expertise.

Gather your experts together, to ensure that there is cohesion and collaboration within the organization.

Examine others that excel within your industry to glean any successful trends and operating strategies.

Create an atmosphere upward mobility so that your employees can envision career goals. Weed out those that do not fit your philosophy or are non-performers.

 

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28 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

All sports teams front offices perception starts and begins with winning . You win your FO is great , you lose and it’s a dumpster fire. 

 

 

Pretty much this. I would also add in variables like injuries, schedule, success of teams in your division, and the list goes on. I don't think the Johnsons have been bad owners and I think on paper they have made a lot of good hires and decisions that just haven't panned out. There were a lot of swings and misses the past two decades especially on quarterbacks and offensive coordinators. Most of us were on board with Herm Edwards, Mangini, Rex and even Todd Bowles was highly regarded by many football NFL Insiders. I wouldn't call it luck, but I would definitely say a lot has to do with the cards you are dealt. I think the Johnsons have been very generous and want to win and eventually they will have their day.

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43 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

All sports teams front offices perception starts and begins with winning . You win your FO is great , you lose and it’s a dumpster fire. 

 

 

This is like saying Apple has been a successful company because they stumbled upon some wires and circuits and lucked out.

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7 hours ago, jgb said:

Some “meddlers” have found success (Jerry Jones) while some “absent owners” have. I’m thinking Paul Allen.

I think Jerry Jones is the blueprint for what works and what doesnt work.

When he first took over the Cowboys he let his football people, JJohnson, run the show.  JJ dealt dead wood, brought in a massive haul in return and built a nice little dynasty.

Then Jones thought it would be good to prove to everyone that it deserved the credit for building that team, took over as GM because he sees himself as a football person.  He then went almost 20 years without a playoff win.  

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27 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Any owner of any business should understand what he does well, and then manage to stay in his lane. 

Then hire good people that have a track record of success in areas of your deficiencies. Then trust those people to do their jobs, while checking in with you and proper council.

Continue to meet with those people to ensure that they have what they need in order to succeed within their given responsibilities and expertise.

Gather your experts together, to ensure that there is cohesion and collaboration within the organization.

Examine others that excel within your industry to glean any successful trends and operating strategies.

Create an atmosphere upward mobility so that your employees can envision career goals. Weed out those that do not fit your philosophy or are non-performers.

 

This is an excellent post, spot on. It should be the mission statement for not just NFL owners, but anyone who runs a business. I would add to the highlighted part...don't just examine successful competitors, establish real, working relationships with them. Get to know them, become "one of the boys."  When you actually have peers that you can trust and talk openly with, you'd be surprised how much easier it would be to run a franchise. You may even be able to hire Gm"s, coaches etc. without having to resort to calling a head hunter or a washed up TV blowhard. ?

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17 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

 I think the Johnsons have been very generous and want to win and eventually they will have their day.

Being to spend money is not a sole business trait that makes you successful. You also have to spend money in the right areas.

Does anyone believe it is coincidence that the Browns have begun a turnaround when they started to get out of their own way, hired smart people to make decisions, and got out of the way?

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Just now, section314 said:

This is an excellent post, spot on. It should be the mission statement for not just NFL owners, but anyone who runs a business. I would add to the highlighted part...don't just examine successful competitors, establish real, working relationships with them. Get to know them, become "one of the boys."  When you actually have peers that you can trust and talk openly with, you'd be surprised how much easier it would be to run a franchise. You may even be able to hire Gm"s, coaches etc. without having to resort to calling a head hunter or a washed up TV blowhard. ?

The impediments to success that an owner faces in the NFL are not difficult. It is not like the majority of other businesses that have to thrive in a free marketplace in order to succeed. The NFL as an entity is a monopoly. Courts have ruled it as such. 

It is no great secret that some of the most successful teams have had smart and business savvy owners at the helm. Owners that knew what they were good at. Some of them (Debartolos, Kraft, Jones, etc) have been successful running other businesses.

 

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21 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

The impediments to success that an owner faces in the NFL are not difficult. It is not like the majority of other businesses that have to thrive in a free marketplace in order to succeed. The NFL as an entity is a monopoly. Courts have ruled it as such. 

It is no great secret that some of the most successful teams have had smart and business savvy owners at the helm. Owners that knew what they were good at. Some of them (Debartolos, Kraft, Jones, etc) have been successful running other businesses.

 

Exactly, guys that were wildly successful before the NFL, not lucky spermers. Would add the Pegula's in here as well. Hell, it only took them 2 years to see through Rex's dog and pony show.

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9 hours ago, Nixhead said:

It would help if you grew up watching and playing the sport for the team you own. Does anyone think Chris or Woody ever played any high school football? That would at least give you a decent base of knowledge to help you hire the right people. Also if you were a self made Billionaire that would go along way towards being a successful owner of a team rather than just spending Daddys money to buy a team. Thirdly do what an owner is supposed to do and don't try to be the GM.

Jerry Jones is 2 out of those 3 and he’s been a putrid owner (in the way the question was posed) whilst still garnering multi-millions. 

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11 hours ago, WayneChrebet80 said:

At the end of the day other than willingness to spend money (The Wilpons) what constitues a good and bad owner?

James Dolan is a great example of this. Forget his personality (it sucks)-what makes him a bad owner? The Rangers have had success on the ice, is it his fault the Knicks haven’t enjoyed success on the court?

If the Jets win a super bowl do the Johnson’s all of a sudden become good owners?

 

The Rangers have won zero Stanley Cups since Dolan acquired the franchise.

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11 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think in order to become a good sports owner you should have to form a coalition and murder a bad sports owner and his minions. 

What happens when the bad sports owner IS a minion? 
 

wait a second we could be on to something here

maybe that's why band aids are such a weird color  

throw some overalls on Chris Johnson let's test this theory out 

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25 minutes ago, bitonti said:

What happens when the bad sports owner IS a minion? 
 

wait a second we could be on to something here

maybe that's why band aids are such a weird color  

throw some overalls on Chris Johnson let's test this theory out 

The Jets have at certain points of their existence operated as minions of the NFL office. They took hard lines on player negotiations at times. They hired a PR guy in Jim Kensil (based on Rozelle's recommendation) to run the operations. They hired minority candidates when the league seemed to want that to push that agenda. 

Only when Hess was on his last days, did the Jets become mavericks in the league with an agenda of winning. 

Sometimes you have to be selfish for the good of your team, rather than the league as a whole.

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12 hours ago, WayneChrebet80 said:

At the end of the day other than willingness to spend money (The Wilpons) what constitues a good and bad owner?

James Dolan is a great example of this. Forget his personality (it sucks)-what makes him a bad owner? The Rangers have had success on the ice, is it his fault the Knicks haven’t enjoyed success on the court?

If the Jets win a super bowl do the Johnson’s all of a sudden become good owners?

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