..18-game schedule ? ? ?

[kelly]

The NFL could seek an 18-game regular season or an expanded playoff field in a new labor deal, Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports. In return, Maske says, many owners are willing to offer players concessions to the commissioner’s disciplinary authority and to the marijuana policy.

Maske quoted a high-ranking official with one NFL team saying “some owners . . . would like to expand the season” to 18 games but added it’s not clear “if there is much support from the players on that.”Players have adamantly opposed an expanded schedule, and Giants co-owner John Mara reiterated the NFLPA’s strong stance on that issue as recently as September. Packers CEO Mark Murphy repeatedly has stated his concerns about the impact of more games on the health and safety of players.

The league, though, wants 18 games, especially with legalized gambling on the way, and it now has something to give up in order to create even more revenue.The NFL and NFLPA announced last week a joint committee will study the use of marijuana by players as a pain-management tool.

The current collective bargaining agreement expires following the 2020 season, and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith recently sent an email to all agents warning them to prepare for a full-season work stoppage in 2021.Both sides, though, appear hopeful that a better working relationship than in 2011 could lead to a labor deal before it comes to that.“I do hope it’s sooner rather than later,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said at last week’s owners’ meeting, via Maske. “I think there’s great value to all parties, and most importantly our fans, that we get this issue resolved and move forward. But there are important issues to be addressed, and we’re doing that.”

>    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/29/report-nfl-could-push-for-18-game-schedule-in-labor-talks/

[BallinPB]

18 game season, 2 bye weeks, 2-3 preseason games. 

[BurnleyJet]

It’s been coming, they will increase the Roster size, and Practice squad to sweeten the CBA. Players getting two more games pay also.

[joewilly12]

6 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

It’s been coming, they will increase the Roster size, and Practice squad to sweeten the CBA. Players getting two more games pay also.

Works for me MORE FOOTBALL 

Owners getting more PSL money and 2 additional games ticket, parking and concession fees. 

[UnknownJetFan]

They also need to add at least 1 more wild card. Had this been the case in the last 5+ years there could have been a few of the 10-6 teams that didn't make it possibly winning a SB.

[ChuckkieB]

More games equals more revenue for the owners and higher salaries for the players.  It's a win win.  Throw in "concessions" by the owners about smoking weed and the players will be falling all over themselves to sign this deal.

[slats]

10 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

It’s been coming, they will increase the Roster size, and Practice squad to sweeten the CBA. Players getting two more games pay also.

One of the proposals, apparently, is that while the teams would play 18 games, each player would be limited to 16 games each. Would create some interesting personnel moves, especially with your QB and star players. The idea of the Super Bowl being played every year the Sunday before President's Day would have to be appealing to every employee and employer in the country, lol. 

Downside is players definitely do not want it. If this is the hill the owners wanna die on, they're gonna have to raise minimum salaries, the cap% the players get overall, eliminate cannabis testing completely, and limit Goodell's ability to hand down unilateral punishments. Even then, I think it's a tough sell. 

[Apache 51]

Old news, they have been talking about this for some time now.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

You can't trust what you hear in labor negotiations.  Each side will push for certain things that they don't care much about just so they can show that they are giving the other side concessions by giving them up.  Ed McCaffrey was saying this on NFL Radio this morning and also said that players are dead set against an 18 game season and he can't see it ever being agreed to.  He said players are too banged up by the end of a 16 game season .

Regardless, my view is that 18 games (as well as an expanded playoff system) is an insanely stupid idea.  Pretty much for the reasons that Ed said - they players are already pushing the envelope with 16 games.  And for those who think it's great because it's "more" football, I think you will change your mind when you start seeing good players getting hurt in those extra games or see a huge spike in late-season meaningless games.  If it's not broke, don't fix it.

[Beerfish]

The CFL has been like this for years and it works well.  Currently the NFL has one totally wasted and perhaps two totally wasted Ex games.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

From Albert Breer's latest weekly Gameplan article:

 

By ALBERT BREER 

May 30, 2019

Just as I wrapped up a half-hour conversation with former Ravens and Jaguars tackle Eugene Monroe, the Washington Post published a story by veteran NFL writer Mark Maske. The first sentence of this broader piece on the NFL’s labor talks with NFLPA laid out the owners’ enduring desire for an 18-game schedule, even after all the league’s been through, player safety-wise, this decade. The second read, “Many owners also seem willing to make concessions to the union on the commissioner’s disciplinary authority and the sport’s marijuana policy.”

I texted a screenshot of the paragraph over to Monroe, which validated the suspicions he’d told me he held. And he responded with a colorful emoji illustrating how he might regurgitate what he’d just read.

“The NFL owners shouldn’t hang a cannabis policy in the face of players in exchange for two additional games full of injury and concussions,” Monroe typed in his next text. “There should be no negotiating here, and the players certainly shouldn’t have to subject themselves to more punishment just to heal with legal medicine. This was expected.”

There will come a time when marijuana is no longer on the NFL’s list of banned substances, whether that’s this year or five years from now. A quarter of the league’s 32 teams play in states where recreational weed is legal. Only the Panthers play in a state where some form of medicinal marijuana hasn’t been legalized. The question is when and, maybe poignantly, how.

 

The NFL and the NFLPA announced an initiative earlier in the month that will mandate clubs hire a behavioral health clinician by the start of training camp, and a pain management specialist by Week 1, with committees in both areas formed jointly by the league and union. As part of the announcement, the NFL openly conceded that reforming the marijuana policy would be part of the discussion.

“I'm hopeful, understanding a little bit about how contracts work, knowing this thing does not need to go to a negotiation to change,” Monroe said, just before the Post story was published. “I mean, look, remove cannabis from the policy. You don't have to remove it from testing. You don't have to create new testing, where cannabis isn’t on there. You simply don't have to punish anybody when it shows up, period.

 

“It's simple. But they’d like people to believe it's something that needs to be collectively bargained. It already is collectively bargained. You guys know that this is something you need to do, and the players know they need it. Get it f---ing done.”

Monroe, for his part, knows it’s coming too. Every indication is, to the question of when, the answer is soon. Just the same, you can see he’s skeptical on the how. As the Washington Post confirmed he should be.

 

[bealeb319]

All the single season records won't mean a thing

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[kelly]

..it's  ALL  about $    

[kelly]

20 hours ago, UnknownJetFan said:

They also need to add at least  * 2 *  more wild card. Had this been the case in the last 5+ years there could have been a few of the 10-6 teams that didn't make it possibly winning a SB.

^ ^ fixed * * ...

 

[jetscrazey]

18 games for marijuana isn't a fair trade.  18 games for more guaranteed money in contracts + marijuana?  Now that's a potential deal

[Jetsplayer21]

21 hours ago, BallinPB said:

18 game season, 2 bye weeks, 2-3 preseason games. 

Exactly. 2 pre season games, they have become a joke anyway.. will benefit teams like us who finally have coaching who is getting players in shape, competing hard against one another already.. the slacker teams will only be the ones effected by only 2 preseason games..

[Jetsplayer21]

49 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

18 games for marijuana isn't a fair trade.  18 games for more guaranteed money in contracts + marijuana?  Now that's a potential deal

I could care less about the top players who get paid 80 million, and complain only 40 is guaranteed. But I do agree they have to protect the average player more. Maybe fifty % of a contract is guaranteed for any deal under five mil a yr ? 

[Barry McCockinner]

The NFL is a game of attrition. Playoff teams and winners are often decided by what players aren't there anymore. An additional two regular season games would have a huge impact on that.

Obviously injuries happen in football but we alI prefer to see the best players matching up to determine championships. More football sounds great but I believe this would result in a net negative where more 2nd and 3rd string players are determining the most important games. No bueno.

[ChuckkieB]

This "concern for the players well being" is complete rubbish and nothing more than a bargaining chip.  Players get paid big $$$$ to play football and know what they're signing up for.  The escalating salaries and the desire to "get paid" as long as possible (totally within their rights to do so) has a certain segment of players missing games when they have the sniffles.  It has turned football players into businessmen who are protecting their interests first and foremost.  Nothing wrong with that but let's call it what it is.  

[TuscanyTile2]

I want them to increase the season to 18 games but I want the Superbowl to always be scheduled the day before Presidents' Day so everyone will be off the next day. 

I'd also like to see preseason expanded to 6 weeks as well (just to hear SAR I defend the Johnson family when they force STH's to buy 2 more preseason games).  

As for marijuana, I want the players to be able to smoke it in the medical examination tent.

[ASH1962]

8 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

18 games for marijuana isn't a fair trade.  18 games for more guaranteed money in contracts + marijuana?  Now that's a potential deal

Dos the deal come with personalized Marijuana for all? If so, I'm in!

[kelly]

21 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

18 games for marijuana isn't a fair trade.  18 games for more guaranteed money in contracts + marijuana?  Now that's a...  DEAL ! 

fixed ^ ^

 

[kevinc855]

I know this is been floating for a while but I hate it 

[nycdan]

On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2019 at 5:45 PM, bealeb319 said:

All the single season records won't mean a thing

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Always true in every sport.  Just game changes alone invalidate single season records.  Suddenly, 5,000 yards passing isn't even that unusual.

Here's some fun trivia (I think I have this right).  Only one QB passed 4,000 yards in a 14-game season.  Name him.

[Jet Nut]

On 5/30/2019 at 5:45 PM, bealeb319 said:

All the single season records won't mean a thing

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Mean like all the 14 game season records have been a problem? 

NFL football season records are meaningless and carry no weight anyway.  Constant rule changes in football and other sports is why baseball is the only sport where records and numbers are important and debated. 

[Dcat]

13 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Mean like all the 14 game season records have been a problem? 

NFL football season records are meaningless and carry no weight anyway.  Constant rule changes in football and other sports is why baseball is the only sport where records and numbers are important and debated. 

How true. Rule changes prohibit comparing passing stats from the 1960s & 70s with the past two decades. Oh to be a safety or CB with 1960s rules or should I say non-rules?  That's why I laugh at all the fools who use passing stats as their only argument that Joe Namath wasn't HOF worthy.

[IndianaJet]

The long term plan by the league has always been:

1) Be extra stringent on commissioner powers - make the players hate that Goodell is judge, jury and executioner;

2) Fight tooth and nail on every discipline issue, even if it costs money now in legal fees - making the players hate it even more;

3) Exchange an 18 game season in return for taking that power away from Goodell.

 

[Thai Jet]

On 5/30/2019 at 3:44 PM, BallinPB said:

18 game season, 2 bye weeks, 2-3 preseason games. 

Yes you would think they'd HAVE to give up 2 of the PS games. Season's long enough as it is.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

How true. Rule changes prohibit comparing passing stats from the 1960s & 70s with the past two decades. Oh to be a safety or CB with 1960s rules or should I say non-rules?  That's why I laugh at all the fools who use passing stats as their only argument that Joe Namath wasn't HOF worthy.

Exactly, more than any other sport you can't compare players of different eras without a severe scoring curve.  Same with hockey.

Baseball is pretty much baseball.  

I would love to see what a healthy Namath under today's rules.  He'd turn the record books inside out

[TuscanyTile2]

On 5/30/2019 at 4:26 PM, slats said:

One of the proposals, apparently, is that while the teams would play 18 games, each player would be limited to 16 games each. Would create some interesting personnel moves, especially with your QB and star players. The idea of the Super Bowl being played every year the Sunday before President's Day would have to be appealing to every employee and employer in the country, lol. 

Downside is players definitely do not want it. If this is the hill the owners wanna die on, they're gonna have to raise minimum salaries, the cap% the players get overall, eliminate cannabis testing completely, and limit Goodell's ability to hand down unilateral punishments. Even then, I think it's a tough sell. 

Wouldn't roster sizes have to go up dramatically too?

[Dcat]

54 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Exactly, more than any other sport you can't compare players of different eras without a severe scoring curve.  Same with hockey.

Baseball is pretty much baseball.  

I would love to see what a healthy Namath under today's rules.  He'd turn the record books inside out

He'd be suspended more than most players too.

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Dcat said:

He'd be suspended more than most players too.

I dont know, can you get suspended for loving Johnny Walker?   

[Jet9]

9 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Wouldn't roster sizes have to go up dramatically too?

Yes. This idea, which I don't hate if the League is so dead set on 18 games, was floated about a few years ago. It's not terrible. But yeah, numbers would mean less or at least be looked at differently. 

[slats]

16 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Wouldn't roster sizes have to go up dramatically too?

I don't know about "dramatically," but it would seem that expanding the rosters would be both wise and another solid selling point to the union. Just adding three players to each team would mean nearly 100 new $500k/year jobs. Ninety-six guys who wouldn't have to schlep to the CFL or XFL or some other straight job to eke out a living instead of making real money in the NFL. That's something the union would have to take into serious consideration. 

[New York Mick]

On 5/30/2019 at 5:45 PM, bealeb319 said:

All the single season records won't mean a thing

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They haven’t since they added games and changed the rules.