Source: Former #Jets WR Jermaine Kearse...

[Hael]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

@Hael‘s right. It was the trade value of a late 3rd. If it was a 2nd there wouldn’t have been a full season where we had neither Richardson nor the new draftee. 

If we got a 2nd at that time it’d have been a 2nd rounder that same year. A 2nd rounder you can draft/use now is not the same trade value as one you don’t get until a year later.

Seattle made the calculation that Richardson would be a high priced UFA a year later and figured they’d recoup a 3rd round comp pick for him a year later. From their standpoint they were getting a 1 year $8MM rental for a player who’d cost more to replace on the FA market, and the cost for that was giving up a late 2nd rounder a year later & get back a late 3rd a year after that. (Kearse was a throw-in since they were going to cut him anyway.) They were legit SB contenders when they made the trade and it was pretty low risk high reward for them. 

As it turned out they had a worse season than expected and Richardson didn’t get a mammoth sized deal that’d get them that 3rd rounder in return.

The trade was perfectly fine, but it was more Seattle unexpectedly rescuing our idiot GM from his own stupidity, not him being shrewd for holding onto 3 starting DTs for 2 years. 

It's interesting to note how much cap space is valued as well.  Two years ago, the Browns traded for Brock Osweiller for 16 million dollars in cap space for a late 2.  So when a team hands you a bad contract, they're also effectively giving you a quantity that can be directly translated into draft value. 

[Fantasy Island]

15 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Most disappointing player on the team last year.

Spencer Long says hi.

[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

@Hael‘s right. It was the trade value of a late 3rd. If it was a 2nd there wouldn’t have been a full season where we had neither Richardson nor the new draftee. 

If we got a 2nd at that time it’d have been a 2nd rounder that same year. A 2nd rounder you can draft/use now is not the same trade value as one you don’t get until a year later.

Seattle made the calculation that Richardson would be a high priced UFA a year later and figured they’d recoup a 3rd round comp pick for him a year later. From their standpoint they were getting a 1 year $8MM rental for a player who’d cost more to replace on the FA market, and the cost for that was giving up a late 2nd rounder a year later & get back a late 3rd a year after that. (Kearse was a throw-in since they were going to cut him anyway.) They were legit SB contenders when they made the trade and it was pretty low risk high reward for them. 

As it turned out they had a worse season than expected and Richardson didn’t get a mammoth sized deal that’d get them that 3rd rounder in return.

The trade was perfectly fine, but it was more Seattle unexpectedly rescuing our idiot GM from his own stupidity, not him being shrewd for holding onto 3 starting DTs for 2 years. 

I could care l ss what some try to downgrade the pick by because of the swapping of 7ths.  They got a WR and a 2nd.  You can argue the true value of that 7th all day and it's still a 2nd.  Still was used to trade up.  You want to make a crystal ball point that they could have gotten it done with their 3rd in place of the 2nd, go for it.  But a two is not a 3 because of where you believe it's value was and because the 7ths were swapped.  We all know a top third of the 2nd is worth more than the bottom third. It's still a 2nd.  

The added, or loss of value of swapping two draft picks in the 7th is negligible.  It's not the same as switching from a 2nd to a 3rd.  

We're over analyzing this.  

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, Hael said:

It's interesting to note how much cap space is valued as well.  Two years ago, the Browns traded for Brock Osweiller for 16 million dollars in cap space for a late 2.  So when a team hands you a bad contract, they're also effectively giving you a quantity that can be directly translated into draft value. 

Yeah, though I think that one was an extreme exception rather one that proves a dollars-to-picks conversion value. The Browns were in full tank/pre-rebuild mode and were so far under the cap it was an unusual circumstance. Most teams are trying to win right now (however unsuccessful they are) and would sooner sign another player.

But by those numbers they were effectively betting on finding a starter worth more than the cost, which was the ~$1M/year for that draft slot plus another $4M/yr in absorbing Osweiler’s contract, or $5M/yr for that player on a rookie deal.

Is $5M/year on a top 40 draft pick’s first 4 seasons better spent towards an established FA? May very well be. The pick has a much higher chance of being a total useless bust,  up you’re more likely to strike oil with that player than inking one on the FA market for $5M/yr. But maybe it’s better spent on signing a $10M FA instead of a $5M one.

It was interesting anyway, but really could only be done by a team basically announcing they’re not going to seriously compete this upcoming season, while simultaneously carrying a ludicrous amount of unused cap space.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

I could care l ss what some try to downgrade the pick by because of the swapping of 7ths.  They got a WR and a 2nd.  You can argue the true value of that 7th all day and it's still a 2nd.  Still was used to trade up.  You want to make a crystal ball point that they could have gotten it done with their 3rd in place of the 2nd, go for it.  But a two is not a 3 because of where you believe it's value was and because the 7ths were swapped.  We all know a top third of the 2nd is worth more than the bottom third. It's still a 2nd.  

The added, or loss of value of swapping two draft picks in the 7th is negligible.  It's not the same as switching from a 2nd to a 3rd.  

We're over analyzing this.  

WE are allowed to analyze anything WE want without the analysis police telling us what is what. 

It’s in the past, but a 2nd round pick in the current year is neither the same nor does it carry the same trade value as a 2nd round pick a full football season later. In terms of trade value, the going rate is and has been a pick a full round later per season later.

Just like when he traded a 4th rounder next year for a 5th rounder now so he could draft Shell. To suggest otherwise, by saying the year of each pick is irrelevant, would be to equate him trading our 4th rounder away this year so he could get a 5th rounder this year, which even he wasn’t dumb enough to do.

Picks usable in the current season are more valuable in trade than picks in the same round a year later. 

[Beerfish]

6 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

Spencer Long says hi.

I didn't say the worst the most disappointing.  Singing 3rd and 4th their olineman you get what you get.

Kearse was actually a good vet his 1st year here.  He was a total utter dog last year.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

WE are allowed to analyze anything WE want without the analysis police telling us what is what. 

It’s in the past, but a 2nd round pick in the current year is neither the same nor does it carry the same trade value as a 2nd round pick a full football season later. In terms of trade value, the going rate is and has been a pick a full round later per season later.

Just like when he traded a 4th rounder next year for a 5th rounder now so he could draft Shell. To suggest otherwise, by saying the year of each pick is irrelevant, would be to equate him trading our 4th rounder away this year so he could get a 5th rounder this year, which even he wasn’t dumb enough to do.

Picks usable in the current season are more valuable in trade than picks in the same round a year later. 

You can analyze anything you want.  it's not the analysis police, it's the coming sense police.  When was the last time we heard a player was traded for a 1sr but it was a lower first so it's not really a 1st.

The fact that two of you carrying in about a 2 that's not really a 2 is kind of curious.  Along with they're worth more this year in over last.  It's not cash

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

You can analyze anything you want.  it's not the analysis police, it's the coming sense police.  When was the last time we heard a player was traded for a 1sr but it was a lower first so it's not really a 1st.

The fact that two of you carrying in about a 2 that's not really a 2 is kind of curious.  Along with they're worth more this year in over last.  It's not cash

Was a future 2nd rounder, not a 2nd rounder. In the 2016 season we had neither the player nor the eventual 2nd round pick on the roster. That's what makes the value of a future 2nd rounder lower than a true 2nd rounder. Plus at the time the educated guess was that it would have been a lower 2nd rounder than it ended up being. 

It's in the past, but to keep glorifying it by painting it as higher trade value than it was is not honest, copper.  

[win4ever]

I liked the trade to be honest.  It was more about the 2nd round pick, but I think the biggest problem was that Bowles couldn't handle Sheldon (or really any big personality).  It speaks more to my disdain of Bowles, but it was one of those situations where Sheldon/Mo weren't going to do anything here because the coach couldn't reel them in.   I thought getting a second round pick was decent.  Dee Ford just got dealt for a future 2, and he was coming off a monster year.  Sheldon had that one extra year on the 5th year option of course.  

I thought Kearse added much needed route running capability to the team, it was just wasted on a throw away year.  I have no idea what happened last year, but it really looked like he didn't care much at all.  The routes weren't crisp and he seemed like he was just mailing it in.