Some interesting comments from Kirwan /Carucci on Douglas hire

[JohnnyLV]

Was listening to NFLN on Sirius yesterday and Kirwan and Curruci made some really interesting observations about the Douglas hire. They basically said:

1. The Jets are AHEAD of the curve in their coach and GM combo. Said that in today's NFL the model that works is to have a GM and HC that are really in lockstep and work as a team. Carucci spent a lot of time comparing the situation to Levy/Polian in Buffalo and said that the Jets are potentially duplicating that type of situation

2. Kirwan, said, which shocked me, that the organizational structure of GM having all the power and the Head Coach reporting to him is not effective in the modern NFL. He thinks the Head Coach is more important than the GM and that they should be equals, both reporting to the President, with the Head Coach actually having more influence than the GM. Jets get roasted routinely for this structure but both guys think it is actually the right structure

3. Both think Douglas will be an awesome GM, and even more so because he is aligned with Gase.

[Patriot Killa]

Nice, if we turn this thing into the early 2000’s Peyton Manning led Colts then we’re in business lmao.

no but seriously — that’s a nice blueprint to follow. Adding playmakers left and right is what Polian did and they took care of business in the trenches.

[Peace Frog]

16 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

2. Kirwan, said, which shocked me, that the organizational structure of GM having all the power and the Head Coach reporting to him is not effective in the modern NFL. He thinks the Head Coach is more important than the GM and that they should be equals, both reporting to the President, with the Head Coach actually having more influence than the GM. Jets get roasted routinely for this structure but both guys think it is actually the right structure

We get self-roasted. 

Other teams have the same structure. 

That’s what was in Philly when Douglas was there and they won the SB. 

[nico002]

Only idiots complaining were/are clueless fans and media trolls. 

[aagarcia]

Douglas even said in an interview that the reporting structure was the same in Philly 

[Apache 51]

17 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Nice, if we turn this thing into the early 2000’s Peyton Manning led Colts then we’re in business lmao.

no but seriously — that’s a nice blueprint to follow. Adding playmakers left and right is what Polian did and they took care of business in the trenches.

Wasn't their defense their achilles heal?

[Jetsplayer21]

I wonder if woody is scared he won’t have a job when he comes back ? he failed for years, so far his bro is making right moves. If we actually win now, I don’t think  the fans will won’t woody touching this team again 

[varjet]

the Jets structure did not work when the Coach and GM were not working together and they were both reporting to a moron.  

[HawkeyeJet]

I hope this flickering in my eye is a glimmer of hope and not a stroke.

[Beerfish]

Having a coach and a gm be on the same page, well that is a revelation.

Our coach had a large say in who the GM was.  Normally it is the other way around.

The old coach and gm with equal power and both report the owner is still a recipe for back stabbing, intentional or not if things start to go badly.

[KRL]

The reporting structure thing was way overblown.  People need to realize football owners are taking the organizational
structures they use in their other businesses and bringing them into the league

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, KRL said:

The reporting structure thing was way overblown.  People need to realize football owners are taking the organizational
structures they use in their other businesses and bringing them into the league

if you win, no big deal.  if you lose anything is subject to scrutiny and/or criticism.  and that's where the jets have been for a while.  if they start winning everyone will be a genius again even mccagnan.

[Dcat]

3 minutes ago, KRL said:

The reporting structure thing was way overblown.  People need to realize football owners are taking the organizational
structures they use in their other businesses and bringing them into the league

Um... Chris Johnson has no other businesses. And Woody manages charities. They have little to no business management experience. It's all trial and error for these two rich boys.

[jack48]

I dont think Joe has much to concern himself about at 6 years 3 million per.

[Apache 51]

33 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

I wonder if woody is scared he won’t have a job when he comes back ? he failed for years, so far his bro is making right moves. If we actually win now, I don’t think  the fans will won’t woody touching this team again 

Woody doesn't know the difference  between a first down and a touchdown.

[Adoni Beast]

The power structure of GM & HC in today’s NFL is the way to go. The key to success is what has alluded us with terrible decisions by ownership, united vision philosophy. 

The same offseason Bowles & Quinn were the hot coaching candidates, Quinn was more picky and had a list of gm’s he wanted to work for or either be hired. He understood this importance. While, I think Quinn is an overrated coach, he saw the importance of GM/HC relationship being crucial to success in Seattle.

It’s not just about the GM picking players and the HC coaching them. Teams are much more culture, system, organizationally based now. Players, coaches and scouts come and go fast in this league.

You need the right GM who will always be able to replenish the roster and front office. Winning system needs to be in place to deal with change. You need the right coach who can adapt playbooks with new talent, develop players, and hire the right assistants. It all has to be a singular vision and a system that withstands variables. That’s how the Eagles hired Doug Pederson and won the championship with Nick Foles.

All Mac wanted to do was scout players and he couldn’t even do that. He had no oversight of the entire front office. He wasn’t pushing everyone to strive for greatness and take opinions from different avenues (he only brought analytics in last season). 

All Bowles wanted to do was coach D, and punt his way to low scoring victories. He had no specific player profile for each position (as was reported and no im not looking for it). Gase as been mentioned is extremely specific about what kind of player at every position he needs. 

These two are direct, organized, forward thinking, and passionate. The former 2 looked like Stop & Shop night shift managers an hour before closing.

I think the future is bright.

[jeTMAC]

43 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I hope this flickering in my eye is a glimmer of hope and not a stroke.

Nah it's just the weather migraines. You'll be okay so will the Jets

[Matt39]

Why the Jets are actually good despite their record. 

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

Was listening to NFLN on Sirius yesterday and Kirwan and Curruci made some really interesting observations about the Douglas hire. They basically said:

1. The Jets are AHEAD of the curve in their coach and GM combo. Said that in today's NFL the model that works is to have a GM and HC that are really in lockstep and work as a team. Carucci spent a lot of time comparing the situation to Levy/Polian in Buffalo and said that the Jets are potentially duplicating that type of situation

2. Kirwan, said, which shocked me, that the organizational structure of GM having all the power and the Head Coach reporting to him is not effective in the modern NFL. He thinks the Head Coach is more important than the GM and that they should be equals, both reporting to the President, with the Head Coach actually having more influence than the GM. Jets get roasted routinely for this structure but both guys think it is actually the right structure

3. Both think Douglas will be an awesome GM, and even more so because he is aligned with Gase.

Thank you for this post!!!!!!!!!!

Their thinking dovetails with my own in that I too believe that the Jets have finally gotten it right.

I think the few fans out here who see Idzik or MacCagnan in Douglas and Gase are simply not paying attention.  Quite frankly IMO Douglas is more qualified than our last 4 GMs COMBINED!!!

And Gase whom I DIDN'T want has the advantage of having been a HC before, which is the first time we have seen this from the Jets since Bill Parcells over 20 years ago (Bellichick doesn't count)!

So finally we have organizational structure for the Jets that has a real chance at long term success; and again quite frankly this is an amazing turn of events that no fan of this team had any right to hope for!!

 

LETS GO JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Charlie Brown]

1 hour ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

I wonder if woody is scared he won’t have a job when he comes back ? he failed for years, so far his bro is making right moves. If we actually win now, I don’t think  the fans will won’t woody touching this team again 

That is why I said make CJ President and have Woody be CEO when he comes back.....

[MindOverMatter]

1 hour ago, Apache 51 said:

Wasn't their defense their achilles heal?

Sorta. Colts defense during that time was setup for Peyton to get ahead and allow Freeney/Mathis and company to pin their ears back and get the QB. Those defenses could never stop the run unless you count the times Bob Sanders was healthy (not often)

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 hour ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

I wonder if woody is scared he won’t have a job when he comes back ? he failed for years, so far his bro is making right moves. If we actually win now, I don’t think  the fans will won’t woody touching this team again 

yeah he is real scard he wont give himself the job back because his brother has failed since he started. great comment.

[flgreen]

57 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Um... Chris Johnson has no other businesses. And Woody manages charities. They have little to no business management experience. It's all trial and error for these two rich boys.

Your half right.  C J, to anyone's knowledge, has never worked a day in his life.

Woody on the other hand has had several successful business'.  A real estate/development company, a cable company, and an investment company.  All of which made great money.  he used the money he inherited well.

C J on the other hand...…………………………..

[Peace Frog]

Just now, flgreen said:

Woody on the other hand has had several successful business'.  A real estate/development company, a cable company, and an investment company.  All of which made great money.  he used the money he inherited well.

 

Folks either don't know this, forget it or dismiss it.  

Sure, he started out with a massive massive head start but he didn't just sit back and enjoy it.  

[slats]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

2. Kirwan, said, which shocked me, that the organizational structure of GM having all the power and the Head Coach reporting to him is not effective in the modern NFL. He thinks the Head Coach is more important than the GM and that they should be equals, both reporting to the President, with the Head Coach actually having more influence than the GM. Jets get roasted routinely for this structure but both guys think it is actually the right structure

I'm never gonna like the separate but equal structure. If the head coach is more important, then make the head coach the boss and have the personnel guy work for him. Or, if you wanna have those two positions being equals, then have a President of Football Operations who oversees the whole thing rather than some random billionaire who doesn't know his ass from a football. 

And this is all relative. Sure, if you're Belichick and Caserio, the head coach holds all the juice. But what if you're Dorsey and Kitchens? Should they be on equal footing? 

Bottom line is that a head coach needs to win today and the GM is looking at the long term. Unless those two guys are on the exact same page, and maybe the same paragraph, there are going to be differences. And differences can lead to backstabbing (read: Gase/Maccagnan). 

[Maxman]

Sam Darnold will cover up a lot of warts and will make a lot of people look good. That being said, I do feel like they got it right this time.

[Apache 51]

20 minutes ago, MindOverMatter said:

Sorta. Colts defense during that time was setup for Peyton to get ahead and allow Freeney/Mathis and company to pin their ears back and get the QB. Those defenses could never stop the run unless you count the times Bob Sanders was healthy (not often)

Yeah I remember Sanders was a hammer, but often injured.

[redlichtie]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

the Jets structure did not work when the Coach and GM were not working together and they were both reporting to a moron.  

Or maybe it didn’t work because they were both rubbish?

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Why the Jets are actually good despite their record. 

Dude, their record with these guys is 0-0 right now.

[redlichtie]

At this point the biggest worry is the almost universal praise around this move. It’s like the expectations are already building to such a point that can’t possibly be sustained.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

yeah he is real scard he wont give himself the job back because his brother has failed since he started. great comment.

Think the part you missed badly on is the Chris hasnt come close to failing.  And in actuality has been a whole lot better than Woody

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, redlichtie said:

At this point the biggest worry is the almost universal praise around this move. It’s like the expectations are already building to such a point that can’t possibly be sustained.

Yeah, deals working or failing are really dependent on what some think about the deal.

Woe is me, they like it.  

[IndianaJet]

2 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

I wonder if woody is scared he won’t have a job when he comes back ? he failed for years, so far his bro is making right moves. If we actually win now, I don’t think  the fans will won’t woody touching this team again 

If the team is more profitable and successful under CJ, than WJ, perhaps Momma J will insist that CJ run the team.  I read somewhere that all three own an equal 1/3 of the team.  Momma J is the tie breaker.

Big Bad Mamma Jamma!

[Kleckineau]

2 hours ago, Apache 51 said:

Wasn't their defense their achilles heal?

Peyton sucked up all the $

[Kleckineau]

3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Think the part you missed badly on is the Chris hasnt come close to failing.  And in actuality has been a whole lot better than Woody

The win loss record says wait a minute here.