Skeptable Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Yet you dumped on Woody for setting this up and are hailing Chris for keeping what Woody set up and admit that some of the league does it and the rest may be doing it in the near future. Got it. Woody had control of this team for 20+ years... Chris has had control for 2+. Chris has hired a coveted GM, an aggressive HC, and the team has drafted a Franchise QB... I dumped on Woody for the 20+ years he was in control and let this team be dysfunctional and become a circus in the media with Rex... Chris has gotten rid of the instability and hired (for good or bad) a GM for 6 years and coach for 4 and full control of a Franchise QB going into his 2nd year... You tell me which is more dysfunctional. And about the power structure... I don't care which way it is... they both can work... I was just giving the facts that more teams do it then is reported... and that this team is not dysfunctional because of it... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Just now, Skeptable said: Woody had control of this team for 20+ years... Chris has had control for 2+. Chris has hired a coveted GM, an aggressive HC, and the team has drafted a Franchise QB... I dumped on Woody for the 20+ years he was in control and let this team be dysfunctional and become a circus in the media with Rex... Chris has gotten rid of the instability and hired (for good or bad) a GM for 6 years and coach for 4 and full control of a Franchise QB going into his 2nd year... You tell me which is more dysfunctional. You missed your own point. Well done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: You missed your own point. Well done. Read it again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Skeptable said: Read it again... Oh I did. Like I said, well done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 We are supposed to fight the sports writers, not each other. SAR I 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 hours ago, SAR I said: Give me a break. Do you believe everything the media feeds you? How about it was obviously this: In February, Johnson decides to fire Bowles and Maccagnan, but it's not a good time to blow up the player personnel department 4 weeks before free agency and 6 weeks before the draft because Heimerdinger is going too. So he keeps Maccagnan, puts him on a leash, and along with Gase and Williams signs off on every single player and every single move Maccagnan makes. When FA and the draft are over, he off's Maccagan as he decided to back in February. Christopher Johnson is the CEO of a mulit-billion dollar corporation and that's how its done. You get rid of the people you don't want at the very moment they are the least necessary to your business model. Immediately after the draft is the perfect time to get rid of a GM. Not immediately before. Not when there is no replacement in place. SAR I 4 hours ago, SAR I said: This. And I believe that Christopher Johnson orchestrated the entire strategy. This wasn't some fortunate accident. This was a strong CEO move by a strong CEO. He's doing it his way with the reporting structure, he did it his way to get Gase, and he did it his way to string along a GM to do the dirty work of cap and contracts and punted him the moment he didn't need him anymore. SAR I 3 hours ago, SAR I said: Or CJ made the shortlist of HC candidates and asked Maccagnan to participate in the interview process. When it was complete, CJ decided that Gase was his man and made sure Maccagnan knew it and would publicly buy into it. Once Gase was aboard it was time to covertly make a shortlist of GM candidates and Douglas was on the list from both Johnson's and Gase's standpoint. All that was needed was to get Maccagnan out of the building, start the Rooney process, and get Douglas's contract signed. SAR I Wow. Fan fiction meets conspiracy theory. Heady stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, slats said: Wow. Fan fiction meets conspiracy theory. Heady stuff. Has more facts in it then what these beat writers have been shoving in their click bait articles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Just now, Skeptable said: Has more facts in it then what these beat writers have been shoving in their click bait articles Actually, there's not a single fact in anything I bolded. It's all completely made up. You can't get mad at the beat writers for writing BS when you're so willing to buy into other people's BS that fits the way you would've liked things to've happened. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, slats said: Actually, there's not a single fact in anything I bolded. It's all completely made up. You can't get mad at the beat writers for writing BS when you're so willing to buy into other people's BS that fits the way you would've liked things to've happened. That was point... I am not buying into any of it one way or another... Neither has facts... But in the unbolded points there are some which is more then the beat articles which are complete speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: If this theory is true then why was Gase unhappy that we didn't bring in a FA center and felt that we overpaid for Le'Veon Bell? Because there is no proof that either are actually true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, slats said: Wow. Fan fiction meets conspiracy theory. Heady stuff. On top of that, he writes that it was "obviously this" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Skeptable said: Has more facts in it then what these beat writers have been shoving in their click bait articles 4 minutes ago, Skeptable said: That was point... I am not buying into any of it one way or another... Neither has facts... But in the unbolded points there are some which is more then the beat articles which are complete speculation Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 4 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: His quote below is basically a read-between-the-lines comment that Macc overpaid for Bell. If Gase was calling all the shots (like you claim) then this wouldn't have been the case. https://nypost.com/2019/05/23/adam-gase-addresses-fights-off-leveon-bell-reports-ridiculous/ “We signed him. I’m excited we have him,” Gase said. “I’ve been in constant communication with him. Discussions happen and, to me, when you’re going through free agency … we signed a lot of guys. You’re trying to put together a big puzzle. You’re trying to figure out money, fit, locker room, all those things. There’s just a lot of things that go into all that stuff. Discussions are had. Whether or not we disagreed [on] anything … financially, that’s a completely different story than the person or the player. That’s where a lot of this gets misconstrued.” No thats Bell replying to a reporter that asked Bell about a report that Gase didnt want to overspend on him. Which doesnt say that Gase was upset or that they did overpay. Anymore than a report that Gase didnt want to overpay means he thinks they did overpay. But carry on with this dead story. That has been shot down and closed but keeps getting rehashed by some here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 3 hours ago, dbatesman said: The Johnson brothers are rich, therefore they must be smart Just as when someone told be theyre spoiled, theyre stupid, theyre egomaniacs and theyre brats. Brats? Oh and of course, they inherited their money. Oooooo They cant be smart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, slats said: Wow. Fan fiction meets conspiracy theory. Heady stuff. If I ran the Jets it’s what I would have done. Wouldn’t you? SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, slats said: Actually, there's not a single fact in anything I bolded. It's all completely made up. You can't get mad at the beat writers for writing BS when you're so willing to buy into other people's BS that fits the way you would've liked things to've happened. One can’t be factual when no facts are available. In that instance, one can speculate on what actually happened. And that’s what I think happened. I don’t think our FO is dysfunctional, I don’t think our owner is an idiot, and I don’t think we just executed one of the strongest turnarounds in the NFL by incompetence. And that’s what the geniuses in the media (and JN apparently) would have you believe. Only The Brotherhood of Jets Victims could believe this nonsense. “We’re so bad in the FO that the only way we got good is by being really stupendously bad in the FO and then the Dumb Luck Fairy appeared out of nowhere and sprinkled her magic pixie dust and that’s the reason we’re suddenly a legitimate playoff contender.” SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 People who write for a living do not get opinions. They have to go back and fourth with their readers intrest in mind otherwise no one reads their garbage and they do not have a job.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, bealeb319 said: People who write for a living do not get opinions. They have to go back and fourth with their readers intrest in mind otherwise no one reads their garbage and they do not have a job. Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app You've never heard of an "Op-ed"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 only issue I have with timing was the extensions, two years ago, they both could/should have been fired after year 3, it was clear bowles lost the team (twice) and the roster had no plan, or preparation for a FQB that said, I am fine with the timing this year and tend to agree with SAR on this... CJ said he would give Mac a chance and was true to his word, Mac had a decent (not great) FA not sure he gets awards for paying the most money but the team added core players - the draft was terrible (did not help the team), and CJ acted quickly (finally) to fire Mac - hired top guy on the list 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Jet Nut said: No thats Bell replying to a reporter that asked Bell about a report that Gase didnt want to overspend on him. Which doesnt say that Gase was upset or that they did overpay. Anymore than a report that Gase didnt want to overpay means he thinks they did overpay. But carry on with this dead story. That has been shot down and closed but keeps getting rehashed by some here First off, that's Gase (not Bell) replying to a reporter. Second, it's pretty clear he's dismissing reports that he "didn't want Bell on the team" (by saying "We signed him. I’m excited we have him"). Let's be honest though that he would have to say something like, regardless of what he feels about Bell. But I think it's reasonable to say that he thinks Bell is a very talented RB (as why wouldn't he think that, given Bell's recent seasons). However, he also says "Whether or not we disagreed [on] anything … financially, that’s a completely different story than the person or the player". To me, that's a pretty clear indication that he's addressing Bell's contract, saying his issue was with how much money Bell was given. I guess I have to concede that I'm "reading between the lines" here but I believe that my interpretation is reasonable. Quote https://nypost.com/2019/05/23/adam-gase-addresses-fights-off-leveon-bell-reports-ridiculous/ “We signed him. I’m excited we have him,” Gase said. “I’ve been in constant communication with him. Discussions happen and, to me, when you’re going through free agency … we signed a lot of guys. You’re trying to put together a big puzzle. You’re trying to figure out money, fit, locker room, all those things. There’s just a lot of things that go into all that stuff. Discussions are had. Whether or not we disagreed [on] anything … financially, that’s a completely different story than the person or the player. That’s where a lot of this gets misconstrued.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 hours ago, SAR I said: One can’t be factual when no facts are available. In that instance, one can speculate on what actually happened. And that’s what I think happened. I don’t think our FO is dysfunctional, I don’t think our owner is an idiot, and I don’t think we just executed one of the strongest turnarounds in the NFL by incompetence. And that’s what the geniuses in the media (and JN apparently) would have you believe. Only The Brotherhood of Jets Victims could believe this nonsense. “We’re so bad in the FO that the only way we got good is by being really stupendously bad in the FO and then the Dumb Luck Fairy appeared out of nowhere and sprinkled her magic pixie dust and that’s the reason we’re suddenly a legitimate playoff contender.” SAR I What is your opinion of WJ as an owner? Sure he hired Casserly to recommend a HC and GM but they were both bad and they also weren't aligned (yet he didn't fire them). Though, based on your previous points, you probably believe that WJ was the guy making all the decisions anyway. So, in your opinion, was WJ a bad owner? And do you believe CJ swooped in to save the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I just read the article again. Its a brilliant piece of writing. I cant wait for the next great article that we can spend 10 pages on talking about. Im sure the thread will be opened sometime today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Just as when someone told be theyre spoiled, theyre stupid, theyre egomaniacs and theyre brats. Brats? Oh and of course, they inherited their money. Oooooo They cant be smart. Are you just having a conversation with yourself here, or 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted June 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 13, 2019 38 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: I just read the article again. Its a brilliant piece of writing. I cant wait for the next great article that we can spend 10 pages on talking about. Im sure the thread will be opened sometime today. All backtracking articles from weasel beat reporters shall be outed. May 2019: “Christopher Johnson and the backstabbing dysfunctional clowns in Florham Park are an embarrassment.” August 2019: “I’m amazed by what the Jets have done, I predict 10-6 and the first trip to the playoffs in nine years.” Nice try Costello. I’m watching you Cimini. Just try it Mehta. We don’t forget. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Quote First off, that's Gase (not Bell) replying to a reporter. Bell was asked by more than one reporter about his thoughts too, thought thats where it was from. Looked like one of those quotes. Point is the same, at no time did Gase say that he was opposed to the signing or the money that was spent. We all thought it was going to be a $75 to $100 mil deal. It wasn't, it was a reasonable deal after all is said and done. All we have ever heard is Gase was against spending huge money on a RB. But read the quote he was talking about during the FA process. Not after the signing. Big deal, no one has ever said that he was against paying what Bell signed for. Dont know why he would, hes talked up Bell and ultimately we gat him at a fair price. Quote Second, it's pretty clear he's dismissing reports that he "didn't want Bell on the team" (by saying "We signed him. I’m excited we have him"). Let's be honest though that he would have to say something like, regardless of what he feels about Bell. But I think it's reasonable to say that he thinks Bell is a very talented RB (as why wouldn't he think that, given Bell's recent seasons). However, he also says "Whether or not we disagreed [on] anything … financially, that’s a completely different story than the person or the player". Again theres no time on this, no one knows if hes talking about what they paid or if its based on what we all thought it would cost to bring him in. Who the hell, at that price, would be against what we paid for one of the most productive RBs in the NFL, one of the nest weapons in the NFL, easily the best present anyone could give a young QB. Quote To me, that's a pretty clear indication that he's addressing Bell's contract, saying his issue was with how much money Bell was given. I guess I have to concede that I'm "reading between the lines" here but I believe that my interpretation is reasonable. To me there is absolutely nothing that says what youre saying. In fact you keep saying that if you read between the lines. You believe in your interpretation. I dont agree with your interpretation, but thats fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 8 hours ago, SAR I said: One can’t be factual when no facts are available. In that instance, one can speculate on what actually happened. And that’s what I think happened. I don’t think our FO is dysfunctional, I don’t think our owner is an idiot, and I don’t think we just executed one of the strongest turnarounds in the NFL by incompetence. And that’s what the geniuses in the media (and JN apparently) would have you believe. Only The Brotherhood of Jets Victims could believe this nonsense. “We’re so bad in the FO that the only way we got good is by being really stupendously bad in the FO and then the Dumb Luck Fairy appeared out of nowhere and sprinkled her magic pixie dust and that’s the reason we’re suddenly a legitimate playoff contender.” SAR I To be fair the Dumb Luck Fairy did bring us what very well could be our first franchise QB in half a century. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, SAR I said: All backtracking articles from weasel beat reporters shall be outed. May 2019: “Christopher Johnson and the backstabbing dysfunctional clowns in Florham Park are an embarrassment.” August 2019: “I’m amazed by what the Jets have done, I predict 10-6 and the first trip to the playoffs in nine years.” Nice try Costello. I’m watching you Cimini. Just try it Mehta. We don’t forget. SAR I How dare you take a few weeks to look at the big picture and then change your mind. How dare you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Skeptable said: Woody had control of this team for 20+ years... Chris has had control for 2+. blah blah blah they are both losers the Jets won 4 games last year. 4! Hey I'm happy they hired a GM and even paid market rate for a change. F U. Win games CJ born on 3rd base pretending they hit a triple walk that back... @SAR I no one cares about your war against the media F U win games 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: How dare you take a few weeks to look at the big picture and then change your mind. How dare you! It wouldn’t be an issue if these reporters wouldn’t explode at the slightest sign of trouble in the organization. It’s like they are alway chomping at the bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 As a non media dumb ass. I am not walking back my position at all. C. Johnson is being heaped with praise for doing what he should have done months ago before mac put one more 2 to 3 year touch on the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killa7 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, GreenFish said: It wouldn’t be an issue if these reporters wouldn’t explode at the slightest sign of trouble in the organization. It’s like they are alway chomping at the bit. this right here. it does not matter what the Jets do, the media will always try to turn it around into something bad; something "dysfunctional". It really is amazing. but, that's what happens when you haven't won a super bowl in 50+ years. but when the Jets finally do win, one, you know all these media a$$ clowns will be jumping on the train! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 15 hours ago, T0mShane said: I realize he’s been controversial in the past at other, lesser websites, but SAR is a true artist and master of the form. Every notice that TomShane and SAR are never in the same room together? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, bitonti said: blah blah blah they are both losers the Jets won 4 games last year. 4! Hey I'm happy they hired a GM and even paid market rate for a change. F U. Win games CJ born on 3rd base pretending they hit a triple walk that back... @SAR I no one cares about your war against the media F U win games Since the Johnson’s have taking over, the Jets have had 9 winning seasons, 8 losing seasons, and 2 8-8 seasons. Not what we want but we’ve been middle of the pack. There are worse teams out there. Just looking at our division, the Bills have only gone to the playoffs once over that time. The dolphins have made the playoffs 4 times and the jets 6x. Again not what we want, but we’re more middle of the pack than a clown show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Legend Killa7 said: this right here. it does not matter what the Jets do, the media will always try to turn it around into something bad; something "dysfunctional". It really is amazing. but, that's what happens when you haven't won a super bowl in 50+ years. but when the Jets finally do win, one, you know all these media a$$ clowns will be jumping on the train! The Jets went to back to back AFC championship games and the back cover of the daily news and New York post had Rex and company in a clown car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, GreenFish said: we’re more middle of the pack than a clown show. cold comfort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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