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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Ah, the ol' "New York is special and different" trope.

It's really not.  Not that anyone can convince New Yorkers of that.

Rex didn't fail in New York because he was Rex'ian in his big huge mouth.  He failed because Sanchez was a horrible QB who never got better over his career and he never could sort him out (or the Offense itself) or get a better one.  New York (and Jets Fans in the vast majority) loved Rex when he was here and winning.

Theres a hell of a lot more press in NY than in Cleveland.

Theres more TV coverage in NY than in Cleveland.

Theres two 24/7 sports radio call in shows in NY

There are 3 local cable TV channels that are exclusively sports networks.

There is competition for stories and lots on incentive to dig deep over any slight indiscretion.  The kinds of reporting that in a million years doesnt happen in Cleveland.  

So yes, the press dogged Rex for a lot of reasons while if in cleveland Rex is the funny fat guy whos also a defensive genius.  Two different markets and treatment.

 

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22 hours ago, jetsfansince7 said:

I love what he said. Duke johnson should keep his mouth shut and handle his business by himself.


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One thing you never hear teammates, union brothers do is criticize another for business issues.  

Mayfield crossed the line here, should never have called out a player for taking care of business.  Mayfield should never had any money issues or playing time issues, some of his teammates will, he needs to understand that and not air the laundry in the press.  He screwed this one up.  

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1 hour ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

The business was already taken care of. He wanted assurances past last year before the season started and he got 7.7M guaranteed for what is almost definitely going to be one additional season of minimal injury risk followed by his freedom and another contract. And now he doesn't want to give even the year. If we're talking about Revis or Antonio Brown or something, sure, that's business. We're not. If there were any chance he could hold up Haslam for more money, fine. I'm certainly all for that. But there isn't. He's refusing to perform the first year of an extension and he's Duke effing Johnson. If he thinks he's good enough not to be made a tragicomic example of for this ridiculous imitation of this thing he saw work on TV once he is out of his ******* mind.

ALl he wants......business side of the ball.  As I said.  And its not spoken about, publicly for fans and media.  Just isnt done, the players or explayers who have commented have all said the same thing.  Shouldnt have aired business for all to hear.  

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3 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

So much pointless butthurt. You get that how good Mayfield is and how good Darnold is are not zero sum, right? Based solely on his ability to make Jets fans threatened and irrational and bitchy and delusional Mayfield projects as the next Brady. As compared to Darnold's being hopefully probably pretty good.

Dont keep confusing 4 or 5 fans on a board with "Jets fans"

Most are smart enough to know he has nothing to do with the Jets, we didnt pass him up for Darnold.  Was out of our hands.  Everytime he  does or says something stupid and we comment it can be because he did or said something stupid, not some other deep rooted reason 

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48 minutes ago, jgb said:

Joe’s lifestyle today in the age of Twitter would make Johnny Manziel look like Joe Flacco by comparison.

Only if he was as stupid and cared as little as Johnny Football.

Im sure, would bet, that there are football players who liked going out, dated, drink, carouse at all hours as hard as Namath did.  Theyre smart and cover their tracks as they are taught to do. 

Others wha are not so bright, not so concerned, screw up .

To the point though, Namath wasnt a lightning rod calling out players, grabbing his crotch on the field etc.  He knew he was the focal point though and was the one who fought for equal rights, equal treatment in his own locker room for example.  Far cry from if youre not with me get off the train mentality

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8 minutes ago, jack48 said:

---why all the hubbub in the media?

Lets not be blind to the why.

Its because he enjoys it, brings it on himself.  Up to now hes been able to get through it because hes been successful.  I think the point from some is the press gets tired of it and lays in the weeds waiting for a stumble and then will jump on the opening.

Think of all the over the top loud players, in any sport who after being built up by the media get shot down as soon as theres a misstep.  

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6 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Appeal to the authority of Jarvis Landry, this is what we're going with now?

The teammates dont agree with you.

Talking heads that played the game dont agree with you

We're saying his teammates wont be happy hes talking about another players business.  Instead of getting that its about how others take it you think pounding away at whos right or wrong changes the issue.  it doesnt, he should have STFU

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8 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I don't care what anybody who doesn't understand the difference thinks about basically anything. It's not about Johnson's business. He got what he wanted. That's the business. Now he wants gone too. So...bye. Not that any of that stuff matters because this thread is about butt feelings.

You really dont understand that you're arguing the wrong point. 

The story isn't about Johnson, what he wanted, what signed for etc.  Its about Mayfield.  It's about his teammates and most players and ex-players, coaches etc thinking what said was dead wrong and shouldnt have been discussed in the press.  

Its not who doesn't or ever needs to understand the difference you're selling, its you selling the wrong story

 

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Haven't seen this anywhere, if it was posted sorry.  The irony is amusing for anyone who remembered Baker asking for fans to actually show up last season and then blaiming the poor attendance on the weather.

this tools routine wouldn't play out well here.  Giants fans

 

 

Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield sure likes to hear himself talk. In fact, it seems as if he never stops talking, often taking aim at things he doesn’t like or disagrees with, which was a trend that continued on Wednesday.

In discussing the offseason trade of wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr., Mayfield put New York Giants fans in his sights, suggesting it will greatly benefit OBJ to play in front of fans who actually show up and care.

Read that again: Fans who actually show up and care.

“He’s here to play in front of fans who actually care, who will actually show up to every game and pack the stadium and love him for who he is,” Mayfield told ESPN.

It’s clear that Mayfield missed the outrage from most Giants fans in the aftermath of the Beckham trade — many of whom still love and respect the receiver — but that wasn’t his only swing and miss.

The mere notion that Giants fans don’t show up and pack the stadium is not steeped in any sort of reality. In fact, it’s completely fake news.

Struggles or no struggles, Giants fans pack MetLife Stadium every single week without issues and actually travel quite well in comparison to other fans like, say, those of the Cleveland Browns, who have spent nearly a decade wearing paper bags over their heads.

Not only was the Giants’ fanbase just listed among the top five in football courtesy of a recent study done by Emory University’s school of business, but they outdrew the Browns a season ago in terms of overall attendance (No. 4 to No. 18).

Even in 2019, with expectations sky-high for the Browns and the exact opposite for the Giants, expect Big Blue fans to show up their Ohio counterparts just as they always do. Maybe Mayfield will notice.

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2 minutes ago, Legend Killa7 said:

they should have a "take a dump on NY giants fans day"

Well really they should every day.  

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1 minute ago, Grandy said:

Giants average attendance: 76,940 

Browns average attendance: 65,765

He's getting obnoxious. 

Cleveland, a wasteland with nothing to do.  Indians and Cavs?  

Giants have to compete with the Jets, Mets, Yankees, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, Devils, Islanders for dollars. 

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5 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Record setting rookie season.  The guy can say anything he wants about Giant fans.  He is awesome!

Ugh, no he can't.

Rodgers doesn't even say shlt this stupid and gets criticized.  And he's had a career, not a decent 13 games. 

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5 hours ago, GreenFish said:

Browns fans are some of the most passionate fans out there. 

The NY Metro area has twice the population of the entire state of Ohio. And 10X the population of the Cleveland metro area. Yes, the Giants have to compete with NYJ. But the NY market is a whole lot bigger that the Cleveland market.

And 1,000 more things to spend your money on. 

 

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4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

You hypocrites masturbate to a non-stop self-promoting strong safety with one career garbage-time interception but yes certainly a sassy 22 y/o QB who played like Drew Brees would certainly be beyond the pale. 

 

2 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Baker Mayfield is just like Jamal Adams, except that he matters.

Guess we now know who can't see the difference between talking and attacking a teammate, an ex HC, Collin Herd, Giants fans all in less than a season. 

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37 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Giant fans think Eli is a Hall of famer, it's hard to take them seriously. Odell was a special talent who was frustrated playing with a bad QB.  It was a mistake to move him.  They would have had 2 experienced top players on their O this year and moving forward.

Baker was off only because pretty much every team struggles to attract fans when they stink.  Last year Cleveland had optimism with Baker so he didn't see the empty seats they had a year earlier or teams like the Giants (and Jets) have seen during these lean years.

1.  I'll bet anything Eli makes it into the HOF

2.  What does optimism have to do. With seeing empty seats?

3.  Jets won fewer games than the Giants, fewer than the Browns.  Outdrew both and were third in the NFL 

 

All facts, even Eli, no excuses please

 

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3 hours ago, Hackenberg said:

cavs won a title and Indians have been to series.

so, yeah.. the Jets have done what lately.......

 

lol the quote is such non-news fluff.

WTF are you talking about?  Do you not understand the concept of the number of teams looking for you entertainment dollars is much bigger here than Cleveland?  

What does cavs wins or Indians contention once every 100 years have to do with anything.  Wasn't even close to the point

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10 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

It’s hard to take anyone seriously who doesn’t think the 2 time SB MVP who’s career stats make Joe Namath’s look like a joke doesn’t belong in the HOF.

Now you did it.  Luck, the D and full moons are why the Giants won.

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11 minutes ago, Hackenberg said:

1.I pointed out your recent history  flaw and comparison of teams being winners.

2.All leagues are one entertainment  entity for profit. None of the owners care who wins.

 

1.  You pointed out nothing.  I said the Giants have to deal and share the dollars with a large number of competing teams.  You told me that the Cavs won a championship.  What history flaw are you imagining here.  My point is still valid.  

2.  One sport and one sport only shares revenue.  That would be football.  Your point is what?  No one ever brought up winning,  brought up dollars 

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11 hours ago, Hackenberg said:

1.lol

2 proves you don't  know s__ about the leagues. Do better  research. All leagues have some form of revenue  sharing. They are not  28, 32 etc separate  business. 

3. Stop  stalking me. I'm not attracted to you

 

Answer with the answer that fits and don't tell me to stop responding.

youre the one who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.  Patting yourself on the back because throwing out that the Cavs won with LeBron adds anything to the equation.  Once more, WTF are you talking about.  Has nothing to do with anything.  And doesn't change the fact that the Giants outdrew the Browns by more than 10,000 per game. 

But you're in the mood to argue just for the troll of it

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10 hours ago, nyjunc said:

If intelligent people are on the committee Eli won't even get close.  He doesn't deserve to even be in the discussion.

When fans are optimistic they show up more.

We have a much later capacity than the browns so we should outdraw them.  I don't buy those numbers though and actual fans in the seats were nowhere near 77,000

I'll bet anything you want right now that Eli gets in.  And you whine and cry about the travesty of it all, posting meaningless stats that change and add nothing to the conversation.  Spinning as each counter comes in.  As in he doesn't even deserve to be in the conversation.  Yes, 2 SBs, 2 SB MVPs, top stats pretty much across the board, ridiculously long streak of not missing a game, etc, but not in the conversation.

Now back to more nonsense.  Why should the Giants outdraw the Browns by more than 10,000 per because of the stadium size?  This is nonsense given neither sells out every seat, not like the Browns ran out of seats.  Neither completely sold out.  That reasoning is totally wrong.

And how the hell, even if true, does it make the idea that Giants fans didn't come out to root but Browns fans did?  

 

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9 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Didn’t the Browns have a higher attendance percentage? 

More importantly since this is a Jets message board and not the Giants or Browns. The Jets had the 2nd highest attendance by numbers and a higher percentage then the Giants. 

yes they did, covers the smaller stadium.

But Baker said Browns fans come out to root, Giants fans dont support the team.  More than 10,000 Giants fans show up, buy tickets.  So youre not making a relevant point

The thread was clearly labeled BMayfield and comments he made about the NY Giants so the Jets attendance while better is actually pretty irrelevant

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2 hours ago, jgb said:

Funny how Jet fans tut-tut this kinda stuff when the most iconic Jet player ever had the biggest mouth in history.

No he didn't.  For saying he guaranteed a win?

Other than that he talked but didn't shlt on people, teammates, ex coaches, media people, fan bases.  He talks a lot more trash.

But as you said, such is fandom.  Almost always true

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1 hour ago, Grandy said:

Will Eli make the HoF? Yes

Would he only be making it based on his superbowls? Yes

I support him as a Hall of Famer, but definitely not first ballot. He's never led the league in a category other than picks, which he's done 3 times. He's never been a top 5 QB in any season. He's never made an all pro. He's sucked in every playoff appearance that wasn't 2007 or 11. If the Giants go 6-10 or worse next year (which they've done the last 3 seasons), he'll have a career record under .500. 

He's been the definition of consistently average his entire career. His season averages are average. His career record is average. However 07', and 11' were historically magical runs that should get him in. 

First ballot is meaningless if football.  It's not like baseball

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56 minutes ago, Hackenberg said:

Nope, you still have no clue what YOU are talking about. I win! As usual. Youre welcome. 

 

Go away then.

Was a simple statement that you just cant seem to decipher and that makes it on you .

 

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4 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

That dude has an irrational hate for Peyton, Eli and Namath. 

Pathological. 

Does it to try and elevate the love of his life, the one and only star QB of the Jets, Mark Sanchez.

He loves the Taco

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5 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

He does not have top stats, he has good compiled numbers.  What do you not understand about not leading any major category other than INTs (THREE times), only earning 2 pro bowls, never making ANY all pro team.  That is where greatness stands out not because you led your O to 17 & 19 points to win 2 super bowls.

 

Don't the browns have a higher capacity sold than the Giants?  I couldn't care less about this browns- Giants thing by the way.  Both have good fanbases

So now its hes a compiler.  Gotcha  

I guess, you know because he played 15 seasons.  Makes sense.  We should penalize all of the tough as nails QB who have played in the league.

3,700 yards per on average.  Over 15 years.  What a fraud, LOL.

24 TDs, per on average.  16 INTs per.   Both compiled too?

7th ranked all time yardage numbers, same ranking for completions, with similar ranked passing attempts. Compiled?  Nope

9th most game winning drives, a favorite of yours

You need to get over your obsession, youre Giants envy is pointless, hes going into the HOF.  

Because he deserves to

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

It's not now it's always been that way.  He has nice compiled numbers but never leads in individual seasons, most of his seasons the last decade were over by October and he puts up meaningless numbers that impress folks that don't watch him play.

 

He's 6th all time in attempts, he should be top at least 6 in every category. He's never led any major category other than INTs 3 times, he's only earned 2 pro bowls, never made a single all pro team, never won a playoff game when his D allowed more than 20 points, led team to missing playoffs 8 of last 10 seasons, is only 2 games over .500 as a starter.

He's not a Hall of famer, he's a compiler that feasts on garbage time with big time talent around him.

This might be the worst spin i've read here against a QB, that once again, almost everyone knows is going into the HOF.

Hes steady, in the top 10 statistically year in and year out, is going to end off top 5 in most categories and you think that he hasnt led enough times it changes anything?  

4 pro bowls

Never won without a D, weep, weep, weep.  

Only 2 games over .500.  Cant have that.  Hes responsible.  Just have to say, youre annoying for so many different reasons here.  But this Eli thing is crazy.  I want to recap your fine use of logic.  Didnt score enough in playoff wins, thats the worst line of thinking

Eli gets no credit for SB wins, its the D, coaching, whatever.

Dont make the playoffs, its Elis fault. 

Cant go on, once again youre embarrassing yourself, this is silly and as I said, I'll bet anything you want, right now, easy as can be, i say he going in, you will lose taking the other side.  

Like taking candy from a baby

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13 hours ago, jgb said:

For his era he was an insane walking tabloid controversy. Today he wouldn’t move the needle, true.

Namath, never knocked people though.  Not a coach, player, media person.  We know he talked but as he said on the SNY special the other night, he respected players and the game.  

And really thats the issue here to me.  I don't mind the talking, would haven't really noticed much or really cared but he's ripping people.  His first NFL HC.  Media people.  Teammate, by name.  

He really needs to stop fighting everyone 

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3 hours ago, jgb said:

You’re trying to draw an absolute equivalence. That’s not what I’m saying. Brashness takes many forms. No one talked like Mayfield in 1960s. Society has changed. I’m talking to the “QBs should just shut up and play” crowd. Not saying Mayfield is baby Namath.

Actually I was agreeing with you that Joe was loud and brash, talked.  More noticeable because of when he played.  

But he wasnt mean, never criticized people, so not really a Baker type.  He was a fun loving guy who liked to have fun and talk, I agree.  But if you think he was saying one nasty thing a week, pissing and twisting people off every week you'd be missing what Joe was in the late 60's early 70's.  Not a criticism of what you were saying just pointing out that he was different from Baker.  

Time changes things, getting pissed that people put your really good team at up to 26 point underdogs and constantly predicting you will lose, coming back with hey, we will win, in fact I guarantee it set people off and made a large contingent of fans hate Joe.  Today?  No one would say boo

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Just now, Dunnie said:

The ONLY way he gets in .. the only argument. ... Is that he did make some clutch throws to beat what some would say was an unbeatable team in the freaking Super Bowl ... A feat similar to the Namath prediction that got him enshrined.

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He walks in because his career numbers are so much better than Jets fans will admit to and because he won 2 SBs.

This isn't hard, when you're top ten in every category that counts for a QB along with being the MVP of your two SB wins, youre in the HOF.

Then again, there are actually people, Jet fans no less, that have no idea how good Joe Namath was so....

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8 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I think Rivers is very overrated but he's a million times better than Eli.  Ryan had a 28-3 lead in the SB, was it too much to ask his D to hold that lead?  Eli's D's never gave up more than 20 in the SB runs and never more than 17 in a SB.

Which means nothing.  Only in your mind does how many points you score change a thing.  A SB win is a win, no matter how many points you needed to score.  

You take a premise, Eli doesn't belong in the HOF and look for stats to work backwards to convince people that those SBs didn't happen and shouldn't count for much.  

 

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13 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Joe was actually great for a few years, Eli was never great.  His numbers look good compiled because he stayed healthy in this era where all the rules favor pass offense.  Greatness comes from being a top player year after year after year.  Brady is great, Brees great, his brother was great, Rodgers is great, etc... Eli was never great.  He's basically Vinny Testaverde with 2 SB wins thanks to his D.  He's actually less than Vinny because Vinny's '98 season was better than any Eli had and Vinny made an all pro team.

The compiler line is a new piece of beauty.  Got to admit, no one anywhere believes this but go for it. 

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2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

He basically threw a hail Mary to Tyree.

Year in, year out in the top 10?  That's because year in and year out he's top 10 in attempts in mostly meaningless games accumulating garbage time numbers.

He should be top 10, if he was great he'd consistent be top 5 while leading categories now and then.  

15 seasons, here are his top 5 finishes:

Attempts 4

Yards 3

TDs 3

Rating ZERO

INTs 6(led three times)

Leading the league in a major category other than INTs (which he did three times)?  ZERO

He only earned 2 pro bowls, he made 2 more when multiple QBs dropped out and he was sent as a replacement.

ZERO all pro teams

He's only earned player of the week 4 times in my 15 seasons, for perspective Ryan Fitzpatrick has won that award 7 times (126 starts compared to 230 for Eli), Chad Pennington 6 times in just 81 starts.

It's not that he's never won without a D, most winning teams have good Ds.  He's never won without spectacular playoff defense.  He's only won playoff games in 2 postseasons and in those playoff wins his D never allowed more than 20 points.

Eli played well in both SB wins but without incredible D he doesn't get close to either SB.  He was a lot like Sanchez, the difference was Eli's D's stepped up in conference title games and SBs while Mark's did not.

I love how you go back to insulting me, you can't attack the argument so you attack me.

 

How the F do you know that if the Giants D gave up more points that the Giants and Eli couldn't score more?  What kind of half assed logic are you still selling?  Opposing scored 17, SB doesn't count the same as others.  

Desperate times.....

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4 minutes ago, jgb said:

I see your point, thanks for clarifying :) 

Thought it might have come out a little convoluted, sorry if it did

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27 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

He's never won a playoff game when his D allowed more than 20, that's a pretty incredible fact.

Let's look at Nick Foles MVP vs Eli's 2.

Foles in 1 game led his O to 41 points, Eli in 2 led Os to combined 36.

Foles in 1 game saw his D allow 33, Eli in 2 saw his D's allow 31 combined.

Foles in 1 game threw 3 TDs (and caught one), Eli threw 3 combined in 2 games.

Foles was a real MVP, Eli's MVPs were jokes because by default the QB usually gets it.

 

Foles and any other side story you drag in to discredit Eli does.

Foles isnt Eli.  He had a single story book SB run and another year where his numbers were great until injured.

Elis has had a 15 year run.  One season, no matter who you drag up, isnt a 15 year career with two SBs.  Plenty have one.

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