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17 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Think about this then.

As always, I'm right and you're the only other person agreeing with nyjunc. 

Think about that.  You and a troll

 

Not that I generally agree with @nyjunc, but @kdels62 is not the only other person that would take Marino over Eli Manning. 

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

Gotcha.  I'm just trying to figure out why this is a knock on a player.  junc is the only person I've seen use "compiler" as a reason to knock down a highly productive player.  It's bizarre.  Would be better if they didnt produce?  

Yet folks will jump your sh*t if you say Curtis was a compiler. 

That dude hates Namath and one of his arguments is he had no longevity due to injuries. 

Its funny how personally he takes this and how much wrong research he puts into it. As if useless stats will sway anyone. 

He also thinks Peyton was carried by his teams. All of them. Undeniably greatest regular season QB ever but he was “carried”. 

Cant wait for the “stats”. 

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18 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Not that I generally agree with @nyjunc, but @kdels62 is not the only other person that would take Marino over Eli Manning. 

And here I thought the conversation was continuing, Eli in or out of the HOF.  nyjunc said he doesnt belong and kdels62 agreed with him.  ANd decided to add me into a post to someone else.  Just to be a douche 

Eli better than Marino is nyjunc not getting the game of football.  

 

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3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

I can say this.  As a fan, I was terrified of warren moon carving us up.  I never, ever felt that way about facing Eli.  That speaks volumes to me.

We only faced Eli once every 4 years, unless you count the Snoopy Bowls....

And even if you weren't afraid of the Eli-led Giants, his team certainly destroyed our playoff chances in Week 16 of 2011 en route to winning the Super Bowl that year.  Remember Eli to Victor Cruz for 99 yards?  Not fun. 

They also beat us in 2007, the other season the Eli-led Giants won the Super Bowl. 

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1 hour ago, Peace Frog said:

Yet folks will jump your sh*t if you say Curtis was a compiler. 

That dude hates Namath and one of his arguments is he had no longevity due to injuries. 

Its funny how personally he takes this and how much wrong research he puts into it. As if useless stats will sway anyone. 

He also thinks Peyton was carried by his teams. All of them. Undeniably greatest regular season QB ever but he was “carried”. 

Cant wait for the “stats”. 

 

No one moves the goalposts more often than nyjunc.  Then he states he won the argument because no one proved his inane stances wrong. 

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2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

No one moves the goalposts more often than nyjunc.  Then he states he won the argument because no one proved his inane stances wrong. 

I think he is trolling.

I mean really. Eli will finish with 60,000 yards and 400 TDs, 2 rings.

Is that something no talent bums can do?

Has anyone with these type #s ever not been let in??

 

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7 hours ago, JiF said:

No.  I just really really hate Mayfield and it started in college, nothing to do with him being better than Darnold.

Fair enough. 

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1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

No one moves the goalposts more often than nyjunc.  Then he states he won the argument because no one proved his inane stances wrong. 

It’s funny that an adult thinks/needs/demands that he’s won an argument. On the internet. With strangers.

That sad pathetic sort of funny. 

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I think he is trolling.
I mean really. Eli will finish with 60,000 yards and 400 TDs, 2 rings.
Is that something no talent bums can do?
Has anyone with these type #s ever not been let in??
 


If junc really is just a troll, he’s a genius on the level of Andy Kauffman. Because he does this stuff every day on this board. Who would do that to be a troll unless he had a long-term play to make everyone lose their minds?

In reality he’s a sad man who thinks he’s really smart and also obsesses about a basketball team for a school he didn’t attend.
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18 hours ago, JiF said:

Gotcha.  I'm just trying to figure out why this is a knock on a player.  junc is the only person I've seen use "compiler" as a reason to knock down a highly productive player.  It's bizarre.  Would be better if they didnt produce?  

He hasn't been a highly productive player, he puts so meaningless numbers and after years of it they accumulate to look good to those people who don't watch him play.  I don't care if a guy they're 2 TDs in the 4th qtr down 28 points, I don't care if after starting 1-7 and the season over that a guy put up good numbers in the second half of the year.

 

17 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Yet folks will jump your sh*t if you say Curtis was a compiler. 

That dude hates Namath and one of his arguments is he had no longevity due to injuries. 

Its funny how personally he takes this and how much wrong research he puts into it. As if useless stats will sway anyone. 

He also thinks Peyton was carried by his teams. All of them. Undeniably greatest regular season QB ever but he was “carried”. 

Cant wait for the “stats”. 

Curtis was a consistent high level player, Eli was not.  Curtis led the league in wishing, Curtis was an all pro making 5 all pro teams.  Curtis doesn't belong at the top of the hall with guys like Jim brown, Barry Sanders, etc... But he was an easy Hall of famer.  Consistently among the best at his position something Eli has NEVER been.

You know how I know you are a second account?  Because you spout the same likes as a couple of other certain posters.

16 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

And here I thought the conversation was continuing, Eli in or out of the HOF.  nyjun said he doesnt belong and kdels62 agreed with him.  ANd decided to add me into a post to someone else.  Just to be a douche 

Eli better than Marino is nyjunc not getting the game of football.  

 

Can you translate that last sentence to English?

15 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

We only faced Eli once every 4 years, unless you count the Snoopy Bowls....

And even if you weren't afraid of the Eli-led Giants, his team certainly destroyed our playoff chances in Week 16 of 2011 en route to winning the Super Bowl that year.  Remember Eli to Victor Cruz for 99 yards?  Not fun. 

They also beat us in 2007, the other season the Eli-led Giants won the Super Bowl. 

Eli was terrible each time we faced him use NYG won 2 of the 3.  Eli didn't lead them anywhere, his D led them.

15 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

No one moves the goalposts more often than nyjunc.  Then he states he won the argument because no one proved his inane stances wrong. 

I don't move anything, it's not my fault you cannot counter what I write.  I'm pretty damn consistent actually.

 

Can any of you giant fans please state an actual case why Eli Manning is one of the greatest QBs of all time?

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3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I'm pretty damn consistent actually.

And there in a nutshell is the problem.

Youre consistently wrong and consistently arguing points that no one agrees with. 

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9 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

He hasn't been a highly productive player, he puts so meaningless numbers and after years of it they accumulate to look good to those people who don't watch him play.  I don't care if a guy they're 2 TDs in the 4th qtr down 28 points, I don't care if after starting 1-7 and the season over that a guy put up good numbers in the second half of the year.

^^^^^  doesnt care about numbers but yo peep these numbers and random awards as a way to show you how Eli actually sucks despite the numbers that dont matter unless they're numbers that I've determined matter.

lmfao - you cant make this sh*t up.

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14 hours ago, Kleckineau said:

I think he is trolling.

I mean really. Eli will finish with 60,000 yards and 400 TDs, 2 rings.

Is that something no talent bums can do?

Has anyone with these type #s ever not been let in??

 

Those numbers dont matter because nyjunc said so but yo! check these numbers from other random dudes to show you how they're actually good and Eli actually sucks in comparison. 

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13 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And there in a nutshell is the problem.

Youre consistently wrong and consistently arguing points that no one agrees with. 

Who cares if anyone agrees with me? That means I'm wrong because I'm strong enough not to need help in these debates?  All you do is attack me rather than my arguments.

7 minutes ago, JiF said:

^^^^^  doesnt care about numbers but yo peep these numbers and random awards as a way to show you how Eli actually sucks despite the numbers that dont matter unless they're numbers that I've determined matter.

lmfao - you cant make this sh*t up.

Compiled numbers mean something but league MVPs, all pros, leading the league in major categories, etc... don't mean anything 😂😂

You are right, you can't make this sh*t up.

 

At no point in his career was Eli Manning ever a top QB in this league but we are supposed to believe he's one of the best of all time. 😂😂

 

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9 minutes ago, JiF said:

Those numbers dont matter because nyjunc said so but yo! check these numbers from other random dudes to show you how they're actually good and Eli actually sucks in comparison. 

He's played his entire career in this pass happy era, he puts up meaningless numbers. Numbers from QBs today will dwarf those of the past.  That doesn't make them better.

Eli is basically Blake Bortles with better postseason defense. 

Eli's career numbers: 

4804-7972, 60.3%, 55981 yds, 360 TDs, 239 INTs

Prorate Blake's attempts to Eli's:

 

4728-7972, 59.3%, 53448, 312 TDs, 227 ints

It's eerie how similar they are but ones a "hall of famer" because his D was incredible in postseason and the other is on his second team now because his D didn't step up in postseason.

By the way, Bortles won a road playoff game when his opponent scored 42 points, Eli has never won one when the opponent scored more than 20.

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Dont look at the numbers, but yo! peep these numbers.

 

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This pathological compulsion followed by pages of irrelevancy and drivel and “stats” is pretty sad. 

Eli Manning is going into the Hall of Fame. 

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10 minutes ago, JiF said:

Dont look at the numbers, but yo! peep these numbers.

 

"Eli shouldn't even be in the discussion but I can't stop discussing it"

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Just now, JuncSanchize said:

"Eli shouldn't even be in the discussion but I can't stop discussing it"

 

Great username!

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22 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

All I had to do?

You mean starting that he's too 10 in every QB start that counts.  Was the SB MVP twice.  Durable as can be.  Good teammate.  Hes not even done

Three times I've said it.  There times you soon to a different argument. 

Consistently wrong and too eager to just go on and on and on.

I want to address that point.

SB XLII:

Giants Passing
  C/ATT1 Yds TD INT Rating
Eli Manning 19/34 255 2 1 87.3

 

SB XLVI:

Giants Passing
  C/ATT1 Yds TD INT Rating
Eli Manning 30/40 296 1 0 103.8

 

Neither game feels like an MVP performance but they had to give it to him because nobody else on the offense stood out.  The first game, he was actually pretty terrible except for the lucky Tyree catch.  Eli might just be the luckiest NFL player ever.  He bullied his way on to the Giants and stumbled his way into the HoF.  He had a few very good years, but all those years of saying 'Brady, Brees and Manning', it was never about Eli.  When Peyton declined, Aaron Rodgers stepped up.  Eli was always on the outside, looking in for top-3, usually top-5 QBs in the league.  That's not HoF to me.

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It must feel great to be a part of a group/family where everyone thinks you're an annoying irrelevant tool.

I can't imagine hanging out somewhere that people thought I was a dick.  

 

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13 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I want to address that point.

SB XLII:

Giants Passing
  C/ATT1 Yds TD INT Rating
Eli Manning 19/34 255 2 1 87.3

 

SB XLVI:

Giants Passing
  C/ATT1 Yds TD INT Rating
Eli Manning 30/40 296 1 0 103.8

 

Neither game feels like an MVP performance but they had to give it to him because nobody else on the offense stood out.  The first game, he was actually pretty terrible except for the lucky Tyree catch.  Eli might just be the luckiest NFL player ever.  He bullied his way on to the Giants and stumbled his way into the HoF.  He had a few very good years, but all those years of saying 'Brady, Brees and Manning', it was never about Eli.  When Peyton declined, Aaron Rodgers stepped up.  Eli was always on the outside, looking in for top-3, usually top-5 QBs in the league.  That's not HoF to me.

You or junc or anyone else can scream till they are blue in the face how you dont believe he deserves entry. The fact is, like it or not,he will be let in.

There are QBs in the HOF who have accomplished much less than Eli. Maybe they should just blow it all up and start from scratch.

 

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17 minutes ago, nycdan said:

I want to address that point.

SB XLII:

Giants Passing
  C/ATT1 Yds TD INT Rating
Eli Manning 19/34 255 2 1 87.3

 

SB XLVI:

Giants Passing
  C/ATT1 Yds TD INT Rating
Eli Manning 30/40 296 1 0 103.8

 

Neither game feels like an MVP performance but they had to give it to him because nobody else on the offense stood out.  The first game, he was actually pretty terrible except for the lucky Tyree catch.  Eli might just be the luckiest NFL player ever.  He bullied his way on to the Giants and stumbled his way into the HoF.  He had a few very good years, but all those years of saying 'Brady, Brees and Manning', it was never about Eli.  When Peyton declined, Aaron Rodgers stepped up.  Eli was always on the outside, looking in for top-3, usually top-5 QBs in the league.  That's not HoF to me.

It's not just the individual numbers, be won 2 super bowls without leading his O to 20 points in either game.  

In SB 42 the D held NE to 14 points, they averaged 37 a game that year.

In SB 46 the D held NE to 17 points AND scored in a safety, they averaged 32 a game.

 

But yeah, Eli Manning deserved the MVP awards 😂😂

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13 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

You or junc or anyone else can scream till they are blue in the face how you dont believe he deserves entry. The fact is, like it or not,he will be let in.

There are QBs in the HOF who have accomplished much less than Eli. Maybe they should just blow it all up and start from scratch.

 

There's not a single QB in the Hall who has accomplished less than Eli. Every single QB in the Hall has made at least one all pro team (whether official or unofficial), Eli has not.  Every single QB in the Hall has led a major category at least once, Eli has not.

He doesn't even belong in the discussion.

 

 

Please list all the QBs in the Hall that accomplished less than Eli?

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My guy Mayfield is getting alot of love. He's ranked #3 by Adam Shein in the NFL MVP Cadidates article he wrote. 

2019 NFL MVP candidates: Patrick Mahomes ready to repeat?

 
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  • By Adam Schein
  • NFL.com Columnist
  • Published: June 12, 2019 at 03:54 p.m.
  • Updated: June 13, 2019 at 03:43 p.m.
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Minicamps are in full swing around the NFL -- and the beauty of minicamp season is that optimism can be found in abundance.

It's also a perfect time to talk MVP.

Now, I won't make my official pick until right before the season begins. And I'll have another ranking at some point of dark horse candidates. But I love making a list of MVP candidates every year around this time.

Before we dig in, here are a couple of thoughts:

Every player on this list is on a team that I have making the playoffs. That might change. But when it comes to the MVP, I put a value on winning. This is why you won't see Russell Wilson below, as I don't see the Seahawks reaching the postseason. (That said, if my last name rhymed with 10 instead of nine, Wilson might have made it.) I also put value on the quarterback position, which is the most important in sports. Finally, Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback and player of all time -- but he's not on this list. I'm not a hater. I think New England will make the playoffs, and I think Brady will be great. I just think he'll have a lot of help from the run game and, you know, the greatest coach of all time, Bill Belichick.

With all that said, here's my early ranking of those most likely to win the 2019 NFL MVP award, Schein 9 style.

1) Patrick Mahomes, QB, Kansas City Chiefs

 

Kareem Hunt is gone and Tyreek Hill's availability is a question mark, but don't get caught up in who will and won't be returning to this offense. Let's not overthink this: Mahomes is special. He's the most electrifying player in all of sports. And remember, he's still a kid (he'll turn 24 in September) who has just one year as an NFL starter under his belt. It's scary to think of, but he's going to be even more comfortable and dominant in 2019 than he was in 2018 -- when he threw for 5,097 yards and 50 touchdowns. He's going to continue to thrive under Andy Reid's coaching.

In the Super Bowl Era, just three players have won back-to-back MVP awards: Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and Joe Montana. It would not be at all shocking to see Mahomes join that exclusive club.

 

 

 

2) Philip Rivers, QB, Los Angeles Chargers

 

Don't you dare slam the door shut on my guy after his loss to the Patriots in the playoffs. Yes, he's 37 and entering his 14th season as the Chargers' starter. But he's still playing at a Hall of Fame level. Over the past five seasons, he's thrown for the third-most yards (22,287) and touchdowns (153) in the NFL, and he matched the second-best passer rating of his career last season (105.5). There are reasons to believe Rivers will be even better in 2019. First, the healthy return of tight end Hunter Henry, who missed all but one game (the loss to the Pats) last season with a torn ACL, will be a gigantic advantage for Rivers. The Chargers could have the best defense in the NFL, as I boldly predicted back in May, which would lead to Rivers getting the ball even more -- and he will make opponents pay. Plus, there's the rapport he's established with the cast around him. This will be Year 7 with receiver Keenan Allen and Year 5 with running back Melvin Gordon, while the QB and third-year pro Mike Williams connected on 10 touchdown passes last season.

Rivers defines the word valuable with his fiery leadership style and play. He demands accountability from his teammates. Don't be surprised when Rivers leads the Chargers to the best record in the AFC -- which would speak volumes, with Rivers and Co. coming out of the same division as the Chiefs.

3) Baker Mayfield, QB, Cleveland Browns

 

Expectations are sky high for the Browns (who added Odell Beckham Jr. after winning five of their last seven games in 2018) and Mayfield (who broke Peyton Manning's record for touchdown passes by a rookie last season). The 2018 No. 1 overall pick only has 13 pro starts to his name. But Mayfield won't fail. He can't fail. He has the talent, moxie, work ethic, accuracy and leadership skills to push the Brownsto the playoffs.

Mayfield played great after Freddie Kitchens took over as offensive coordinator last October. During the Browns' 5-2 stretch to close the season (from Week 10 to Week 17), Mayfield ranked third in touchdown passes (17), fourth in passer rating (108.4) and first in yards per attempt (8.86) among those with 200-plus passes. Now, of course, Kitchens is Mayfield's head coach, with new OC Todd Monken's watchful eyes set to provide Mayfield with extra help. Mayfield will keep Beckham happy and maximize the talents of the three-time Pro Bowler, along with those of Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb and, when he returns from suspension, Kareem Hunt. And Mayfield will get extra credit for driving Cleveland to an AFC North title, fighting against both a tough group of division rivals and the Browns' long, established history of dreadful, misguided ineptitude.

4) Aaron Rodgers, QB, Green Bay Packers

 

When I make my official pick for 2019 MVP, it just might be Rodgers. I was practically ready to hand him the award just for the way he responded to the ribbing he was receiving from other NFL quarterbacks for the apparent difficulty he had chugging a beer at a Milwaukee Bucks game: "For some of them, there's finally a talent they can say they're better than me at."

The two-time MVP is coming off a down year. In addition to missing the playoffs for the second consecutive season, Rodgers compiled the lowest touchdown total (25), second-worst completion rate (62.3%) and third-worst passer rating (97.6) of any season in which he started 15-plus games. But with Matt LaFleur replacing ex-head coach Mike McCarthy, the Aaron Rodgers I Can Be Coached Tour -- combined with the You Can Chug Beer While Watching Me in the Playoffs Tour -- is going to be real and spectacular. The Chicago Bears have more talent than the Packers. So do the Minnesota Vikings. Rodgers will put himself in the MVP mix by carrying the Packers to an NFC North title.

 

 

 

5) Andrew Luck, QB, Indianapolis Colts

 

Don't let Luck's calf injury -- which will limit him during offseason workouts -- fool you. We can believe Luck when he says he'll "be ready for training camp."

And Luck is one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL. He makes everyone around him better. After shoulder issues cost him all of 2017, Luck came back last season and put together one of his best campaigns as a pro, throwing for 4,593 yards (fifth most in the NFL) and 39 touchdown passes (second most) while shepherding Indy from a 1-5 start to a playoff berth. And he's the reason the Colts can be Super Bowl-bound this season.

6) Carson Wentz, QB, Philadelphia Eagles

 

Wentz was just (rightly) given a four-year, $128 million extension, with a record $107.9 million in total guarantees -- and he's worth every single penny. Two years ago, before he suffered a season-ending ACL injury, Wentz was on track to receiving my vote for MVP, then had to watch from the sideline whileNick Foles steered Philly to a Lombardi Trophy. A back injury knocked Wentz out for the end of last season, but it appears he'll be ready to rock in 2019. Plus, with Foles having signed in Jacksonville, this is once again Wentz's team -- as if there was ever any doubt about that. Meanwhile, Eagles general manager Howie Roseman put together yet another sensational offseason, upgrading the Eagles' offensive line (drafting Andre Dillard), running back group (trading for Jordan Howard and drafting Miles Sanders) and receiver corps (adding DeSean Jackson and rookie J.J. Arcega-Whiteside). This is the most talent Wentz has had to work with since Philly drafted him No. 2 overall in 2016. I cannot wait to watch him sizzle.

 

7) Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Dallas Cowboys

 

I think the Cowboys are going to challenge for the Super Bowl in 2019 -- and I think Zeke fuels this team. When Elliott runs for 95-plus yards, the Cowboys are 19-4; when he falls below that benchmark, they're 9-8. Quarterback Dak Prescott is obviously a key component for Dallas, but Elliott makes Prescott, and not the other way around. Yes, it's true that only one of the past 10 MVP awards has gone to a running back (Adrian Peterson in 2012). But consider these projected numbers for Zeke: 1,500 rushing yards, 15 total touchdowns and 70 catches. That's MVP-caliber production, even if he's not a quarterback.

 

 

 

😎 Aaron Donald, DT, Los Angeles Rams

 

The Rams' stud is the single best non-quarterback in the NFL and the best defensive player in the league, bar none. He wrecks games. He's unstoppable. No other interior defensive lineman has ever posted as many sacks in a season as Donald's league-leading 20.5 last year. Donald will be my pick, as per usual, for Defensive Player of the Year, an award he's won two years running. Now, his MVP candidacy does suffer from the fact that he plays defense, at a position that is not commonly associated with gaudy stats, as well as the fact that Donald's head coach, Sean McVay, leads a sensational and explosive offense for the Rams. But never get it twisted. This cat is the truth.

9) Alvin Kamara, RB, New Orleans Saints

 

Kamara has dazzled in his two pro seasons, even while sharing carries with Mark Ingram. Well, Ingram is now in Baltimore, having signed there in free agency. Quarterback Drew Brees is still amazing, but Saints coach Sean Payton has rightly made this offense more run-oriented than it has been in the past. Consider that in 2018, Brees attempted the lowest number of passes (489) of his 13 Saints seasons, while New Orleans posted more rushing attempts (471) as a team than it has since 2006 (472). Only three players in the NFL have more combined yards from scrimmage in the past two seasons than Kamara (3,146), who is the straw that stirs the drink for the Saints. He is the most valuable player on this team.

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Every single HOF QB other than Montana, Starr and Bradshaw has not won multiple SB MVPs. Every single QB than those 

Eli has accomplished more than every other QB in the HOF in that regard other than those 3.

Eli Manning, Hall of Famer. 

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39 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

There's not a single QB in the Hall who has accomplished less than Eli. Every single QB in the Hall has made at least one all pro team (whether official or unofficial), Eli has not.  Every single QB in the Hall has led a major category at least once, Eli has not.

He doesn't even belong in the discussion.

 

 

Please list all the QBs in the Hall that accomplished less than Eli?

Why would I make that list? 

So you could make one of your signature junc science  tldnr  mumbo jumbo skewed stats pretzel logic rebuttals?

Here is the bottom line.

Eli goes into the HOF with rollerskates on the first year he is eligible.

If that makes you unhappy so be it.

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2 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

Why would I make that list? 

So you could make one of your signature junc science  tldnr  mumbo jumbo skewed stats pretzel logic rebuttals?

Here is the bottom line.

Eli goes into the HOF with rollerskates on the first year he is eligible.

If that makes you unhappy so be it.

You wouldn't make it because you just want to make crazy statements without backing them up.  I'd voters have been watching he won't get in, if they don't watch (like you guys) and just look at meaningless compiled numbers he'll have a chance.

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Lol if anyone had any clue how the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection process is laid out even before the final debate and vote- the specific steps to reduce the list 3 times- and how the final vote is debated at length and finally taken and suggested they weren’t “watching”, is moronic. 

Yeah, some dude sitting in his basement looking up stats knows more than the 48 member selection committee and former HOF enshrinees.

Too funny. Maybe someone should go educate them. Hahahahahaaaa. 

Eli Manning, Pro Football Hall of Fame. 

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28 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

You wouldn't make it because you just want to make crazy statements without backing them up.  I'd voters have been watching he won't get in, if they don't watch (like you guys) and just look at meaningless compiled numbers he'll have a chance.

Yes because we all know the voters never watch to the degree that you do.

He is in. Live with it.

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