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38 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Why aren't Sam and Baker both allowed to be great?  

Agreed, and both look like they could be, which will be an exciting thing for AFC football.

It's not very debatable that most analysts had Sam Darnold rated as a higher prospect than Baker Mayfield going into the Draft.  There's a lot of evidence on this.  But he obviously wasn't first on the Browns board and that's fine.  Were they 1 and 2....were they 1A and 1B?  We'll never really know but I think it benefited the Jets.

Now, as pros, the jury is still out.  Clearly, neither is a bust and both really seem to look the part of a potential franchise QB.  Mayfield had a better rookie year in terms of wins, stats, etc.  Whether that was due to him being a better QB than Darnold, having better coaching with Kitchens than Bowles/Bates, better surrounding talent, etc. can certainly be debated.  It could be that all of those things factored.

But we all know that these things take time to truly evaluate.  I'd say 3 full seasons of results should provide clarity to who the better NFL QB is and, now that Darnold seems to have better coaching and better weapons, we might actually have a fairly level playing field to compare these guys.

Last thought - It would be GREAT for the NFL (not particularly great for the Jets) to have all of these new, young QBs in the AFC really ascend. It reminds me of Marino, Elway, Kelly and O'Brien in the AFC in the mid-80's - 90's (9 Super Bowl appearances between them....none by the Jets).  Look at Patrick Mahomes, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and even Andrew Luck (being relatively young still)......man, that's a crowded field of young QB potential.  Getting out of the AFC to a Super Bowl could be a real challenge over the next decade post-Brady.  But it will be fun!

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4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

It's not very debatable that most analysts had Sam Darnold rated as a higher prospect than Baker Mayfield going into the Draft.  There's a lot of evidence on this.  But he obviously wasn't first on the Browns board and that's fine.  Were they 1 and 2....were they 1A and 1B?  We'll never really know but I think it benefited the Jets.

After one year of starting at the college level, Darnold entered his second season as the presumptive #1 pick in the NFL draft the following year. After Mayfield's first season as a college starter, not even @Villain The Foe was talking about his potential draft position. 

Mayfield had nearly twice the college starting experience that Darnold had. In addition to that, Sam was a high school LB turned QB. The fact that Mayfield hit the ground running is not surprising. What is surprising is that Darnold led the entire NFL in QBR (including the great Mayfield), throwing to a depleted receiving corps with his top two RBs sidelined over the last month of the season. Kid's a fast learner, and (was it you that said) probably a lot further from his ceiling than Mayfield is. 

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

After one year of starting at the college level, Darnold entered his second season as the presumptive #1 pick in the NFL draft the following year. After Mayfield's first season as a college starter, not even @Villain The Foe was talking about his potential draft position. 

Mayfield had nearly twice the college starting experience that Darnold had. In addition to that, Sam was a high school LB turned QB. The fact that Mayfield hit the ground running is not surprising. What is surprising is that Darnold led the entire NFL in QBR (including the great Mayfield), throwing to a depleted receiving corps with his top two RBs sidelined over the last month of the season. Kid's a fast learner, and (was it you that said) probably a lot further from his ceiling than Mayfield is. 

Good memory.  I did, and I still think so.  (Again, Mayfield being closer to his ceiling wasn't a height joke either. :P )

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23 minutes ago, slats said:

After one year of starting at the college level, Darnold entered his second season as the presumptive #1 pick in the NFL draft the following year. After Mayfield's first season as a college starter, not even @Villain The Foe was talking about his potential draft position. 

Mayfield had nearly twice the college starting experience that Darnold had. In addition to that, Sam was a high school LB turned QB. The fact that Mayfield hit the ground running is not surprising. What is surprising is that Darnold led the entire NFL in QBR (including the great Mayfield), throwing to a depleted receiving corps with his top two RBs sidelined over the last month of the season. Kid's a fast learner, and (was it you that said) probably a lot further from his ceiling than Mayfield is. 

Really? All I heard is how big 12 QB's are garbage in the NFL along with his height.

Because of that I think that many folks (maybe not you personally) are surprised.

Darnold looks good though. Cant deny that. 

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8 minutes ago, slats said:

After one year of starting at the college level, Darnold entered his second season as the presumptive #1 pick in the NFL draft the following year. After Mayfield's first season as a college starter, not even @Villain The Foe was talking about his potential draft position. 

Mayfield had nearly twice the college starting experience that Darnold had. In addition to that, Sam was a high school LB turned QB. The fact that Mayfield hit the ground running is not surprising. What is surprising is that Darnold led the entire NFL in QBR (including the great Mayfield), throwing to a depleted receiving corps with his top two RBs sidelined over the last month of the season. Kid's a fast learner, and (was it you that said) probably a lot further from his ceiling than Mayfield is. 

4 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Good memory.  I did, and I still think so.  (Again, Mayfield being closer to his ceiling wasn't a height joke either. :P )

Agreed, and that's why I don't get what's so contentious about this whole thing. I remember going back and forth with VTF a little bit before the draft even took place saying that Baker will 100% be the better QB year 1. That he went out and did that, while also being surrounded by better talent and coaching is not up for debate, nor should it be discounted. That's who Baker was supposed to be.

Now, talking about a 15 year career? Darnold was always the higher ceiling guy, while Baker was always the higher floor guy. In one of our discussions, I even said that I can see Baker having a Jeff Garcia type of career....a couple of pro-bowls and will stick around in the league as a solid QB. I believe Villain agreed with this too. But as I said back then too, I want more from my FQB and the third overall pick. As of right now, you couldn't pay me to trade Sam for Baker, even with how well Baker played year 1.

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5 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Really? All I heard is how big 12 QB's are garbage in the NFL along with his height.

Because of that I think that many folks (maybe not you personally) are surprised.

Darnold looks good though. Cant deny that. 

I liked Mayfield, expected him to be the Jets QB, and welcomed it. He and I share a birthday. Would've loved him on the Jets. I feel like I have to remind you of this every single time I post about the guy. But two years older, two years more experience starting in college, it's no surprise that he had a faster start than the youngest QB to start opening day since (at least) the NFL merger in 1970. Darnold's finish was far more surprising. 

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27 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Agreed, and that's why I don't get what's so contentious about this whole thing. I remember going back and forth with VTF a little bit before the draft even took place saying that Baker will 100% be the better QB year 1. That he went out and did that, while also being surrounded by better talent and coaching is not up for debate, nor should it be discounted. That's who Baker was supposed to be.

Now, talking about a 15 year career? Darnold was always the higher ceiling guy, while Baker was always the higher floor guy. In one of our discussions, I even said that I can see Baker having a Jeff Garcia type of career....a couple of pro-bowls and will stick around in the league as a solid QB. I believe Villain agreed with this too. But as I said back then too, I want more from my FQB and the third overall pick. As of right now, you couldn't pay me to trade Sam for Baker, even with how well Baker played year 1.

I absolutely did agree. 

Why? My comparison of Mayfield was a Rich man's Jeff Garcia. 

Getting that with the 1st overall pick is great. That's QB talent you can win a SB with, and Im content with that.

What I didnt agree with (generally) was this notion that Darnold was the best talent to come out of college since Andrew Luck. 

I never seen this level of talent at anytime from Darnold. I've just not seen it.

And i believe the only reason why folks claim a higher ceiling for Darnold is because he has alot higher to go just to be on Mayfield's level. 

Its just wordplay imo. 

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23 minutes ago, slats said:

I liked Mayfield, expected him to be the Jets QB, and welcomed it. He and I share a birthday. Would've loved him on the Jets. I feel like I have to remind you of this every single time I post about the guy. But two years older, two years more experience starting in college, it's no surprise that he had a faster start than the youngest QB to start opening day since (at least) the NFL merger in 1970. Darnold's finish was far more surprising. 

It's not that you have to constantly remind me. 

My point is that everything that is being said doesn't change the fact that Darnold (so far) is not on that level.

No one is saying that he cant, but generally I see folks trying knock Baker down a peg or two can call that progression for Darnold. 

You know the vibe that's been around here for this guy, some of it probably comes from the fact that I like him lol

 

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8 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

I absolutely did agree. 

Why? My comparison of Mayfield was a Rich man's Jeff Garcia. 

Getting that with theb1st overall pick is great. That's QB talent you can win a SB with, and Ineas content with that.

What I didnt agree with (generally) was this notion that Darnold was the best talent to come out of college since Andrew Luck. 

I never seen this level of talent at anytime from Darnold. I've just not seen it.

And i believe the only reason why folks claim a higher ceiling for Darnold is because he has alot higher to go just to be on Mayfield's level. 

Its just wordplay imo. 

I haven't seen that anywhere. I've seen Darnold described as: "Raw talent in spades" and "Top 10 potential" but never seen anything comparing him to Luck. I feel like if the Andrew Luck comparisons were a legit thing (as opposed to maybe one or two people saying it on twitter), it'd have more legs.

Luck was the most hyped QB to come out since Peyton who was the most hyped since Elway. All three were hyped because of a combination of talent, pro-readiness, and elite potential. Sam was hardly considered a day 1 starter, even though he eventually became one. I think the general consensus was that he'd have a higher ceiling whereas Baker was the more ready QB with the higher floor.

Again, this is exactly what we've seen play out so far, and everything's on schedule as of now, which is why I wouldn't trade Sam for Baker. Now we need to see Sam take the mystical second year leap.

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15 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I haven't seen that anywhere. I've seen Darnold described as: "Raw talent in spades" and "Top 10 potential" but never seen anything comparing him to Luck. I feel like if the Andrew Luck comparisons were a legit thing (as opposed to maybe one or two people saying it on twitter), it'd have more legs.

Luck was the most hyped QB to come out since Peyton who was the most hyped since Elway. All three were hyped because of a combination of talent, pro-readiness, and elite potential. Sam was hardly considered a day 1 starter, even though he eventually became one. I think the general consensus was that he'd have a higher ceiling whereas Baker was the more ready QB with the higher floor.

Again, this is exactly what we've seen play out so far, and everything's on schedule as of now, which is why I wouldn't trade Sam for Baker. Now we need to see Sam take the mystical second year leap.

I've seen it. 

If Im correct it started with a video saying it, then folks started reiterating it. If I find it ill post it 

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1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

That's how hate works.

Haters hate. 😆🏈

Well, he is 28 years old. 

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1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

That's how hate works.

Haters hate. 😆🏈

I think it’s more that fans fan.

I don’t even want to get involved in discussions about Sam and Baker any more. 🙄 As far as this “trade”, I credit you for taking the high road on a subject that I said earlier would be laughed off any other NFL fan message board.

I get that this is a Jets board, and fans are loyal to their own guy, so it’s got legs here. This is the only place it does though.

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15 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I haven't seen that anywhere. I've seen Darnold described as: "Raw talent in spades" and "Top 10 potential" but never seen anything comparing him to Luck. I feel like if the Andrew Luck comparisons were a legit thing (as opposed to maybe one or two people saying it on twitter), it'd have more legs.

I said it and I still believe it. Like most of you, I’ve been pining for a FQB since Penny and then since we whiffed on Sanchez.

Before last year, I spent the last 5-6 years watching either live or via DVR every televised game of ALL of the top QBs and of all of them, Sam’s game, size, arm talent, accuracy, demeanor most reminded me of Luck. I’m not a GM or pro scout or a published draft guru but that’s what I saw.

And I loved Baker and saw every single game he played but I preferred Sam.  

 

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3 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

I said it and I still believe it. Like most of you, I’ve been pining for a FQB since Penny and then since we whiffed on Sanchez.

Before last year, I spent the last 5-6 years watching either live or via DVR every televised game of ALL of the top QBs and of all of them, Sam’s game, size, arm talent, accuracy, demeanor most reminded me of Luck. I’m not a GM or pro scout or a published draft guru but that’s what I saw.

And I loved Baker and saw every single game he played but I preferred Sam.  

 

Damn. You watch a lot of football. 😜

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1 minute ago, 14 in Green said:

Damn. You watch a lot of football. 😜

I watched very little college football last year. 

No reason. 

We have our franchise QB and my job was done. 

But I stayed up late watching Sam and Rosen and Allen and Falk and a bunch of others the year before. 

And before that a ton. 

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1 hour ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I haven't seen that anywhere. I've seen Darnold described as: "Raw talent in spades" and "Top 10 potential" but never seen anything comparing him to Luck. I feel like if the Andrew Luck comparisons were a legit thing (as opposed to maybe one or two people saying it on twitter), it'd have more legs.

Luck was the most hyped QB to come out since Peyton who was the most hyped since Elway. All three were hyped because of a combination of talent, pro-readiness, and elite potential. Sam was hardly considered a day 1 starter, even though he eventually became one. I think the general consensus was that he'd have a higher ceiling whereas Baker was the more ready QB with the higher floor.

Again, this is exactly what we've seen play out so far, and everything's on schedule as of now, which is why I wouldn't trade Sam for Baker. Now we need to see Sam take the mystical second year leap.

Here are the videos. 

The first was from Samuel Gold released February 2018 before the draft. 8:50 mark.

This is the video that I believe started it. 

 

The 2nd was during the preseason right before week 1 began last year from Brett Kollman. 9:50 mark

 

I've seen it other places as well, but the point is made. 

I've seen folks reiterate this type of comparison, but to be honest, looking at Sam at USC I didnt see anything resembling what Luck was doing out in Stanford in terms of just clear as day future HOF player that's not even in the pros

 

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1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

I've seen it. 

If Im correct it started with a video saying it, then folks started reiterating it. If I find it ill post it 

I read it all over the place.  Sam and Andrew are two different QBs.

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32 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Here are the videos. 

The first was from Samuel Gold released February 2018 before the draft. 8:50 mark.

This is the video that I believe started it. 

 

The 2nd was during the preseason right before week 1 began last year from Brett Kollman. 9:50 mark

 

I've seen it other places as well, but the point is made. 

I've seen folks reiterate this type of comparison, but to be honest, looking at Sam at USC I didnt see anything resembling what Luck was doing out in Stanford in terms of just clear as day future HOF player that's not even in the pros

 

Ok you’re right those are a few instances, but at the same time, it’s a couple of youtubers. I was more referring to the same people who called Luck the greatest prospect since Peyton...the so called “experts”. I didn’t see them comparing Sam to Luck. 

My original point was that in general, Sam was generally considered to have the higher ceiling while Baker was considered to be the higher floor. Thus, the contentious nature of this thread makes no sense. The two are progressing just as I expected, and I’m expecting Sam to take the next step this year, which is why I wouldn’t trade Sam for Baker.

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5 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

I read it all over the place.  Sam and Andrew are two different QBs.

Seeing how Andrew’s career has gone thus far, I hope Sam’s is better. Luck has immeasurable talent and I love the guy, but he’s always hurt. Sure, his Owner, GM, and HC have sucked for most of his career, but I expected more by now.

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I'd love to know what the correct balance between passion and detached workman-like cool sits in the Goldilocks Zone of fandom purity tests.

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10 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Seeing how Andrew’s career has gone thus far, I hope Sam’s is better. Luck has immeasurable talent and I love the guy, but he’s always hurt. Sure, his Owner, GM, and HC have sucked for most of his career, but I expected more by now.

I’m one that thinks a franchise can ruin a good QB by surrounding him with a crappy team.  I’ll never believe Carson Palmer wasn’t ruined by the Bengals.

 

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3 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

I’m one that thinks a franchise can ruin a good QB by surrounding him with a crappy team.  I’ll never believe Carson Palmer wasn’t ruined by the Bengals.

 

Geno coulda been the guy

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20 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

I’m one that thinks a franchise can ruin a good QB by surrounding him with a crappy team.  I’ll never believe Carson Palmer wasn’t ruined by the Bengals.

 

That knee injury vs the Steelers was also devastating. They really had a chance that year. 

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37 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Ok you’re right those are a few instances, but at the same time, it’s a couple of youtubers. I was more referring to the same people who called Luck the greatest prospect since Peyton...the so called “experts”. I didn’t see them comparing Sam to Luck. 

My original point was that in general, Sam was generally considered to have the higher ceiling while Baker was considered to be the higher floor. Thus, the contentious nature of this thread makes no sense. The two are progressing just as I expected, and I’m expecting Sam to take the next step this year, which is why I wouldn’t trade Sam for Baker.

The experts have been replaced in alot of ways by folks such as youtubers. 

Those were just 2 examples that I know had a direct impact here on this board, which was my overall point. 

 

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Lol watch the rose bowl and tell me he doesn’t look like the best prospect since luck 

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On 8/3/2019 at 6:29 AM, Villain The Foe said:

I would. Mayfield has shown in college and now in the pros to be a much better, higher caliber of quarterback than Sam Darnold.

There isnt a year that you can point to where you can honestly  "Look at this year...Sam was the better QB".

Based on that fact, it's clearly being a homer as to why you wouldnt trade straight up for a QB who for years has shown to be the more explosive and more consistent QB on the field. 

If I asked the question "why wouldnt you" I believe that the only answers you would provide would be based not in actual production but potential...such as "he's only 22 years old etc..."

The answers wouldnt be based on Sam actually being a better QB...because he's never shown to be a better QB at any time. 

Could it happen? Sure, but that's not the case right now. Sam Darnold isna bottom 10 QB in the league right now, which isnt bad for a 2nd year guy. Mayfield is a top 10-15 QB in this league after his rookie season.

 

Honestly nothing you say here isn't true for the most part. Yet, if I had the chance I would keep Sam and not trade him for Baker. Part of that is I'm a fat dumb homer and loved Sam from the beginning and it what it is. Ride or die with Sam Darnold baby! 

But, if there is a reason I would that reason would be how they react when they lose? I think Sam has the mental make up to take the good with the bad and we have already seen his ability to bounce back. Don;t get me wrong, I've told you before, Baker has been awesome and very well be a generational talent. My concern is he seems to be doing fine winning a few games, being a savior and breaking some rookie records. Whats he gonna be like when he eventually loses?

Maybe he will never lose and basically Brady up the league. But, chances are he will lose some games and may have a few difficult seasons. Last year was great for Cleveland but they are still Cleveland. The only concern I have about Baker would be his ability to stay up when he is down. I know, I know he went from college to college and became a starter in college and did very well up to be number one pick in the NFL draft. Yet, this is the NFL,, very few people have careers without some tough times. That would be my one concern about Baker. Honestly, really my only one,. So that's pretty damn good. 

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1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

I think it’s more that fans fan.

I don’t even want to get involved in discussions about Sam and Baker any more. 🙄 As far as this “trade”, I credit you for taking the high road on a subject that I said earlier would be laughed off any other NFL fan message board.

I get that this is a Jets board, and fans are loyal to their own guy, so it’s got legs here. This is the only place it does though.

Doubt it. 

Sure, Jets fans first. Then, next up, USC fans of 30 other NFL teams. Then all the people -and there were a ton of them- who had Sam rated higher than Baker Mayfield on their own personal draft boards and would love to be proven right. I imagine wherever this discussion pops up, there are people available for both sides. 

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54 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Honestly nothing you say here isn't true for the most part. Yet, if I had the chance I would keep Sam and not trade him for Baker. Part of that is I'm a fat dumb homer and loved Sam from the beginning and it what it is. Ride or die with Sam Darnold baby! 

But, if there is a reason I would that reason would be how they react when they lose? I think Sam has the mental make up to take the good with the bad and we have already seen his ability to bounce back. Don;t get me wrong, I've told you before, Baker has been awesome and very well be a generational talent. My concern is he seems to be doing fine winning a few games, being a savior and breaking some rookie records. Whats he gonna be like when he eventually loses?

Maybe he will never lose and basically Brady up the league. But, chances are he will lose some games and may have a few difficult seasons. Last year was great for Cleveland but they are still Cleveland. The only concern I have about Baker would be his ability to stay up when he is down. I know, I know he went from college to college and became a starter in college and did very well up to be number one pick in the NFL draft. Yet, this is the NFL,, very few people have careers without some tough times. That would be my one concern about Baker. Honestly, really my only one,. So that's pretty damn good. 

I can see your point here big fella. Ironically, this is probably one of the things that let me know that this kid was "legit" while in college. 

In 2016 Baker and OU got thoroughly handled by Ohio St. After that game, Mayfield not only talked straightforward about his play, and how he's let his team down in big moments, but he sat there and while excepting the blame, complimented his opponent but set the record straight that from that day on he was going to be the hardest worker the program has ever seen and win the Big12 championship. Here's that interview after that loss.

After this game Baker did exactly what he said he would do. He became a 3x heisman finalist, heisman winner multiple Big12 championships...but most of all, the next time he'd face that Ohio St. team, not only did he absolutely dismantle them, but he planted the OU flag in the middle of their stadium. 

If there's any way to deal with and bounce back from embarrassing losses, this is how it's done.

The point im making is not about the accolades, its the fact that when it's not about his antics but about the adversity of lossing terribly, that's the moment you get to see a clear and fully aware Mayfield and how he made a decision to turn things around as a leader.

That's what you want in a QB1

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23 minutes ago, slats said:

Doubt it. 

Sure, Jets fans first. Then, next up, USC fans of 30 other NFL teams. Then all the people -and there were a ton of them- who had Sam rated higher than Baker Mayfield on their own personal draft boards and would love to be proven right. I imagine wherever this discussion pops up, there are people available for both sides. 

Plus the people who - right or wrong- hate everything that comes with Baker. There are lots of them.

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Even Stanfords’ Coach Shaw compared Sam to Andrew.  A lot of people skimmed over the part where he compares certain traits they both shared, but the media and fans ran with it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/08/22/stanford-coach-david-shaw-compares-sam-darnold-to-andrew-luck/amp/

Stanford coach David Shaw compares Sam Darnold to Andrew Luck

Any great quarterback prospect for the foreseeable future will be compared to former No. 1 overall pick Andrew Luck, and USC’s Sam Darnold is the latest to get such treatment.

The latest to make that comparison? None other than the man who coached luck at Stanford, David Shaw.

Shaw told ESPN The Magazine’s Molly Knighthe sees Luck’s rare ability to anticipate throws, one of the most vital and underrated traits in a successful quarterback prospect, in the Pac-12 rival passer:

He’s the best college quarterback I’ve seen at anticipating since Andrew Luck. When you evaluate quarterbacks who can play at the next level, you’re looking for guys who can see a play before it happens and get the ball out of their hands quick. He’s the best I’ve seen in years.

Darnold took over as the Trojans starter when the team was sputtering at 1-4 last season, leading them to nine straight wins and a Rose Bowl shootout victory over Penn State.

Heading into the 2017 season, Darnold has sky-high expectations, both in the college football world and as a pro prospect, with many analysts projecting him as a potential No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft.

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23 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

Even Stanfords’ Coach Shaw compared Sam to Andrew.  A lot of people skimmed over the part where he compares certain traits they both shared, but the media and fans ran with it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/08/22/stanford-coach-david-shaw-compares-sam-darnold-to-andrew-luck/amp/

Stanford coach David Shaw compares Sam Darnold to Andrew Luck

Any great quarterback prospect for the foreseeable future will be compared to former No. 1 overall pick Andrew Luck, and USC’s Sam Darnold is the latest to get such treatment.

The latest to make that comparison? None other than the man who coached luck at Stanford, David Shaw.

Shaw told ESPN The Magazine’s Molly Knighthe sees Luck’s rare ability to anticipate throws, one of the most vital and underrated traits in a successful quarterback prospect, in the Pac-12 rival passer:

He’s the best college quarterback I’ve seen at anticipating since Andrew Luck. When you evaluate quarterbacks who can play at the next level, you’re looking for guys who can see a play before it happens and get the ball out of their hands quick. He’s the best I’ve seen in years.

Darnold took over as the Trojans starter when the team was sputtering at 1-4 last season, leading them to nine straight wins and a Rose Bowl shootout victory over Penn State.

Heading into the 2017 season, Darnold has sky-high expectations, both in the college football world and as a pro prospect, with many analysts projecting him as a potential No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft.

This article was from before the 2017 season. Going into that year we all wanted to “Suck for Sam”. He was thought to be the consensus #1 pick at that time.

His play that last season at USC wasn’t anywhere near what people thought it would be, and Rosen, Allen and Mayfield became thought of just as highly as Darnold going into the ‘18 Draft.

Dorsey, who is probably the best GM in the league, picked Mayfield #1 over him. Gettleman also passed on Darnold. Macc and the Jets were happy to grab him at 3, grateful he had fallen to them, or so they said.

Leading up to the draft, the rumor was the Jets hoped to get Mayfield. After they got Sam, the story became “we never thought he’d fall to us.” My feeling is they made the trade up to 3 hoping to get whichever of the 3 QBs were left on the board.

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42 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

Even Stanfords’ Coach Shaw compared Sam to Andrew.  A lot of people skimmed over the part where he compares certain traits they both shared, but the media and fans ran with it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/08/22/stanford-coach-david-shaw-compares-sam-darnold-to-andrew-luck/amp/

Stanford coach David Shaw compares Sam Darnold to Andrew Luck

Any great quarterback prospect for the foreseeable future will be compared to former No. 1 overall pick Andrew Luck, and USC’s Sam Darnold is the latest to get such treatment.

The latest to make that comparison? None other than the man who coached luck at Stanford, David Shaw.

Shaw told ESPN The Magazine’s Molly Knighthe sees Luck’s rare ability to anticipate throws, one of the most vital and underrated traits in a successful quarterback prospect, in the Pac-12 rival passer:

He’s the best college quarterback I’ve seen at anticipating since Andrew Luck. When you evaluate quarterbacks who can play at the next level, you’re looking for guys who can see a play before it happens and get the ball out of their hands quick. He’s the best I’ve seen in years.

Darnold took over as the Trojans starter when the team was sputtering at 1-4 last season, leading them to nine straight wins and a Rose Bowl shootout victory over Penn State.

Heading into the 2017 season, Darnold has sky-high expectations, both in the college football world and as a pro prospect, with many analysts projecting him as a potential No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft.

I could have written that article. Andrew Luck 2.0. 

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4 hours ago, slats said:

After one year of starting at the college level, Darnold entered his second season as the presumptive #1 pick in the NFL draft the following year. After Mayfield's first season as a college starter, not even @Villain The Foe was talking about his potential draft position. 

Mayfield had nearly twice the college starting experience that Darnold had. In addition to that, Sam was a high school LB turned QB. The fact that Mayfield hit the ground running is not surprising. What is surprising is that Darnold led the entire NFL in QBR (including the great Mayfield), throwing to a depleted receiving corps with his top two RBs sidelined over the last month of the season. Kid's a fast learner, and (was it you that said) probably a lot further from his ceiling than Mayfield is. 

Not to mention how bad the OL was beat up end of last year... 

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Wow.  So the 1,000+ post Baker Mayfield thread is actually back to discussing Baker Mayfield.

My two cents: I don't like Baker.  Didn't like him in college.  Don't like him as a pro.  I think he is an unlikeable, obnoxious punk.  Not the kind of guy I want leading my favortie team.  Don't get me wrong, had we drafted him, I would be looking past the personality and rooting for jersey on his back.  After the rookie year he had, maybe I would even be buying into Baker, applauding his competitive fire.  Its what I do.  I am a fan.  I root for the guys who wear the right jersey.

Now, despite what I think of Baker as a person, I would rather see the Browns in the playoffs than Big Ben and the Steelers.  AFC needs some new blood.  New rivalries.  Hopefully Darnold will be the guy he was in December last year, the guy we are all hoping he will be and Baker v Sam will be a great rivalry that stimulates this kind of debate for the next decade.

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16 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

His play that last season at USC wasn’t anywhere near what people thought it would be, and Rosen, Allen and Mayfield became thought of just as highly as Darnold going into the ‘18 Draft.

Darnold was still the #1 prospect on the majority of boards until Dorsey shocked everyone and selected Mayfield. Rosen was generally considered to be #1A, but had a late drop. Mayfield, on the other hand, had a late rise. Josh Allen was never considered higher than #3. 

16 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Leading up to the draft, the rumor was the Jets hoped to get Mayfield. After they got Sam, the story became “we never thought he’d fall to us.” My feeling is they made the trade up to 3 hoping to get whichever of the 3 QBs were left on the board.

The leak from the Jets' camp was that they weren't going to let Mayfield get past the #3 pick. Whether they were floating a trial balloon to gauge fan reaction at that point, as Rosen was a popular choice here, or they were sending a threat to Cleveland who were rumored at the time to be considering taking Barkley with their #1 pick and Mayfield with their #4, who knows? But the supposition was that Darnold was going to be gone in the first two picks. Either #1 overall to Cleveland, or #2 after the Browns took Barkley. I think they were legitimately surprised that Darnold fell to them, and if the Giants did like Darnold better than Barkley, they would've been deciding between Allen and Rosen. I'm sure they were pleased. 

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