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1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said:

I can tell you theres not a 34 page thread on sam darnold on the browns board.

well of course not!!!  what could they possibly say:  "OH MY GOSH SAM DARNOLD JUST SAID 'AWW SHUCKS'!!  HE SAID 'AWW SHUCKS' GUYS!!!!"

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8 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Ironically, there are too many folks who hold this exaggerated standard for a public figure, yet I would bet my bottom dollar that there are folks on this forum that has a record, been arrested, fought in a bar, got pissy drunk in public, played a team sport and were probably a douche on the field etc. 

 

The level folks like to hold these guys to I wouldnt be surprised if some of these folks dont hold themselves to that standard, because if they did they'd probably be as successful. 

Really?  How many fit the bill in your mind?  What percent?  And if I had a record, got pissy drunk and arrested how does that make it ok for him?  

Its the Pats fan defense.  Others have done it, it's ok for the guy I like.  

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8 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

I can tell you theres not a 34 page thread on sam darnold on the browns board.

That's because all the Browns fans are too busy on JN talking up BM

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18 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Ironically, there are too many folks who hold this exaggerated standard for a public figure, yet I would bet my bottom dollar that there are folks on this forum that has a record, been arrested, fought in a bar, got pissy drunk in public, played a team sport and were probably a douche on the field etc. 

 

The level folks like to hold these guys to I wouldnt be surprised if some of these folks dont hold themselves to that standard, because if they did they'd probably be as successful. 

I think it’s easier to be the bad boy as a sports figure, vs the good guy.  That’s the majority in pro sports.  Drinking, bling, mouthy and posturing.  It’s expected, just not tolerated as much by the face of your franchise.

I hear you on the hypocrisy part, I was a young adult in the late sixties and seventies.  Never drank alcohol, much less got drunk, no drugs.  I saw ALOT, ‘cause I had friends that smoked and even took LSD.  I still like to remind them of their past behavior when they give me this  act of distain for people that do the same thing, That they did (often worse) in their youth.

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2 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Fire Macc already. Where do I donate to the billboard?

I can't believe the Jets still won't get rid of this loser. 

Hey, Dorsey is in the  Fork Union Military Academy Sports Hall of Fame.

Can't argue with those bonafides. 

What Dorsey built in KC couldn't be duplicated by Macc in fantasy football.

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

You're right, no said he's messed with more than any other human.  I did.  Excuse making at its finest.  He's not a dickhead, he must pushes back when pushed.  Funny thing is this offseason, his who,e time in the public he's had to push back more than any other player I can remember.  But it's hyperbole? No it's not, it's the image he's cultivated.  I get it.  

Just like no one said if he stumbles he'll be hit trash.  I have said that if he stumbles he'll go from firey to self centered prick in a nanosecond. It's happened too many times before

its amazing how far the fans need to go to protect a Cleveland Browns player on a Jet board with Jets fans.  Didn't say one thing disparaging about him, especially of himself game.  I like the way he plays.  I just don't like him.  Simple and my choice.  No one is criticizing anyone for liking him.  

Time to clam down with these defensive posts 

I’m the last person to be “defensive” and if that’s how you took my post, that was not my intent. 

And Baker does not need protection from Jet fans on a Jet board. We’re just discussing the player. Not protecting anyone. 

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8 hours ago, roscoeword said:

Baker just did a real cool thing, signing tons of autographs and doing selfies for guys in the armed forces, all after hours on the field. I like him for that. 

This is why the City of Cleveland has embraced him. 

Blue collar town, the dude goes from shot-gunning a beer at a Indian game then does selfies and signs autographs for military guys. 

He’s perfect for that town. 

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3 hours ago, slats said:

 

I'm guessing, JF80, that this is your mod application... ? 

Max already PM'd me with an offer. 

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3 hours ago, Dcat said:

left handed or right?

Makes a big difference, you know.

Feels like a different person entirely when its the non-dominant hand.  Kind of makes it fun. 

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2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

I can tell you theres not a 34 page thread on sam darnold on the browns board.

There will be if Darnold starts out-performing Darnold and/or Mayfield's personality implodes the team.  But as long as Mayfield produces, Darnold won't even be a consideration. 

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Adam Schein ranks the Browns as the # 7 Offense for 2019: 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001039716/article/nfls-top-nine-offenses-for-2019-season-falcons-own-no-1-spot

NFL's top nine offenses for 2019 season: Falcons own No. 1 spot

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  • By Adam Schein
  • NFL.com Columnist
  • Published: Aug. 8, 2019 at 02:08 p.m.
  • Updated: Aug. 8, 2019 at 03:58 p.m.

Offensive football is in a beautiful state in 2019. The NFL has clearly taken to the air, as high-flying attacks dot the league landscape, but the ground game remains quite relevant, with dynamic runners coming in the form of quarterbacks, running backs and even jet-sweeping wide receivers.

Last season, the four highest-scoring teams -- the Kansas City Chiefs (35.3 ppg), Los Angeles Rams (32.9), New Orleans Saints (31.5) and New England Patriots (27.2) -- were the last four teams standing on Championship Sunday.

So, yeah, at the moment, offense is king. But which offense will be the king of kings in 2019? Here is my preseason ranking of the top units, Schein Nine style:

1) Atlanta Falcons

Steve Sarkisian is no longer calling the plays, and that's a good thing. The return of Dirk Koetter makes it even better.

Matt Ryan remains one of the more strangely overlooked superstar quarterbacks in the NFL. Since 2010, the season in which Ryan nabbed his first of four Pro Bowl bids, the Falcons signal-caller ranks top five in passing yards (second), passing touchdowns (fifth), wins (fifth), fourth-quarter comebacks (second) and game-winning drives (third). He earned league MVP honors during a prolific 2016 campaign -- and actually posted comparable numbers last season, but didn't get the credit he deserved because the Falcons didn't win enough games (thanks, largely, to an injury-riddled defense that couldn't stop anyone).

One problem Ryan did encounter last season: constant pressure, as evidenced by the QB taking 42 sacks, the second-highest total of his career. General manager Thomas Dimitroff wisely went right at this issue, selecting a pair of offensive linemen in the first round of April's draft: OG Chris Lindstrom and OT Kaleb McGary. While McGary recently underwent a minimally invasive heart procedure, he's back with the team and Falcons coach Dan Quinn says doctors are "pleased" with the hulking OT's progress. Meanwhile, Lindstrom's running with the 1s, and the athletic blocker's turning heads in the process. If Ryan gets solid protection in 2019, watch out -- especially given all the weapons the QB has at his disposal ...

Is there a better receiving trio in the NFL today than Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley and Mohamed Sanu? Jones just became the first player in NFL history to log five straight seasons of 1,400-plus receiving yards, while Ridley scored 10 touchdowns in his rookie campaign. Sanu's the jack of all trades, an ideal WR3 who can get the tough yards, make the crucial block -- and even throw the key pass. Devonta Freeman, the highly paid running back who's missed 16 games over the past two seasons, is healthy again, having participated in the entire offseason program. This is no small thing: In his last two healthy campaigns of 2015 and '16, Freeman averaged 1,068 rushing yards, 64 catches and 14 total touchdowns, making the Pro Bowl in each season. Lastly, 24-year-old tight end Austin Hooper is fresh off his first Pro Bowl season.

Bottom line: This offense is poised to reach new heights in the coming months.

2) Kansas City Chiefs

Patrick Mahomes is a megastar who's just scratching the surface of his potential. Scary. In his first year as an NFL starter, the guy earned MVP honors after becoming just the second player in league history (joining Peyton Manning) to pass for 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns in a single season. Somehow, I still think we don't realize just how ridiculous that is.

What will ace play-caller Andy Reid and Mahomes cook up for an encore this fall? A whole bunch more points. The Chiefs boast the league's premier home-run hitter (Tyreek Hill) and the best tight end in football (Travis Kelce). Also, when healthy, Sammy Watkins remains a dangerous WR2. The one big question mark exists in the backfield, but Reid continues to express extreme confidence in Damien Williams. For what it's worth, Williams' production over K.C.'s two playoff games was pretty darn impressive: 159 rushing yards, 91 receiving yards and four touchdowns.

3) Los Angeles Rams

Here's what I'm banking on: Sean McVay's play calling and overall offensive acumen are special. Yes, NFL defenses appeared to kind of figure out how to handle McVay's scheme as the season went on, with the Rams scoring a season-low three points in the Super Bowl. But you don't think the 33-year-old wunderkind coach is coming up with a counter to the counter?

Not to mention, McVay's attack revolved around "11" personnel (1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR), and Cooper Kupp's season-ending knee injury in Week 10 took away a crucial component from this scheme. Kupp's back in action and on pace to be ready for Week 1. This is huge for QB Jared Goff, who undoubtedly missed his security blanket down the stretch last season. I really do like -- and still believe in -- Goff, especially in McVay's offense.

The "yeah, but" with this offense is obviously Todd Gurley's knee, with his trainer confirming in the offseason that there's an "arthritic component" to the highly discussed body part. Now, I did love the third-round selection of Darrell Henderson, an explosive one-cut back who's ideally suited to play in this offense. He's no Gurley, but he's a weapon. And if Gurley is Gurley again, well, this ranking might be too low.

4) Los Angeles Chargers

Philip Rivers is a Hall of Famer playing at a Hall of Fame level. At age 37, he still has the ability to routinely take over games. And his mastery of the position (SEE: savvy pre-snap work, quick decision-making) helps the Bolts overcome an offensive line that is less than optimal.

Keenan Allen is a legit star, with that pesky injury bug in the rearview mirror. Over the past two seasons, Allen's played in all 32 games, piling up 199 catches for 2,589 yards and 12 touchdowns. His running mate at receiver, Mike Williams, is poised for a breakout season -- if he didn't already have one last year, when he hauled in 10 touchdown grabs. Tight end Hunter Henry's over a year removed from the torn ACL that wiped out his 2018 season. I expect the 24-year-old to deliver on the promise so many have talked up.

Even if current holdout Melvin Gordon doesn't play a down in 2019, Austin Ekeler and Justin Jackson will be able to step in and get the job done.

5) New Orleans Saints

I'd argue that Drew Brees and Michael Thomas comprise the top quarterback-receiver combo in the game today. Thomas rightfully got PAID last month, as the Ohio State product's been a pass-catching machine since he stepped on the NFL gridiron in 2016. He just paced the NFL with 125 catches, and did so on only 147 targets -- meaning he posted an absurd 85 percent catch rate. Like I said, Brees to Thomas is the best connection going.

Alvin Kamara is absolutely breathtaking -- a slippery runner with stellar pass-catching ability and a nose for the end zone (SEE: 31 total touchdowns in two NFL seasons). While losing Mark Ingram hurts, you could do much worse than Latavius Murray at RB2. And don't sleep on the Jared Cook pickup at tight end.

The offensive line's rock solid, especially if second-round pick Erik McCoy can shore up the pivot.

6) Green Bay Packers

Aaron Rodgers is heathy, and that means the most talented quarterback in NFL history is ready to dominate. The Rodgers-Davante Adams connection is real and spectacular. And I get the sense that, under new head coach Matt LaFleur, Aaron Jones' backfield ability will finally be maximized. The dude has averaged a robust 5.5 yards per carry in each of his first two NFL seasons. Keep feeding him the rock!

Up front, David Bakhtiari remains criminally underrated -- he's one of the game's very best left tackles. And right tackle Bryan Bulaga's no slouch, either.

Did I mention Rodgers is healthy?

7) Cleveland Browns

Baker Mayfield just set a rookie record for touchdown passes (27) and he's going to the next level this year with Odell Beckham Jr. in the fold. OBJ and Jarvis Landry, close friends and former LSU teammates, could become the elite receiver combination. Hyper-athletic tight end David Njoku showed flashes of greatness last season, and could be a monster over the middle in 2019.

While GM John Dorsey traded disgruntled pass-catching RB Duke Johnson to Houston on Thursday, the backfield's far from bare in Cleveland. Nick Chubb proved to be one of the league's most effective backs last season once the Browns stopped messing around with Carlos Hyde, and he'll be flanked by all-around playmaker Kareem Hunt in the second half of the season (after Hunt's eight-game suspension is served).

Rookie head coach Freddie Kitchens showed plenty of promise as a play caller once he took over the reins last season -- and the pieces are there for him to flourish in Year 1 in the big chair.

8 ) Philadelphia Eagles

Carson Wentz is healthy and he's going to get back to the MVP form we saw before he ripped up his knee two Decembers ago. GM Howie Roseman has given Wentz the most talent he's ever had around him. DeSean Jackson is going to fly and perfectly complement big-bodied playmaker Alshon Jeffery. The tight end duo of Zach Ertz and Dallas Goedert is highly versatile and devastatingly effective. And I expect second-round pick J.J. Arcega-Whiteside to provide immediate returns as a jump-ball specialist. In the backfield, rookie Miles Sanders is going to star, with Jordan Howard leading a capable cavalcade of additional options at RB.

The offensive line should, once again, be among the NFL's best. Even if LT Jason Peters begins to show signs of aging at 37, Philly scooped up Andre Dillard as the ultimate insurance (and future blind-side starter) in Round 1. I love this offense.

9) Indianapolis Colts

Andrew Luck hasn't practiced due to a nagging calf injury. I'm a little spooked, but not going to hot take it ... yet. Let's assume Luck is healthy for the regular season; he's an MVP candidate. His rapport with T.Y. Hilton is remarkable, and GM Chris Ballard added more passing-game weapons in free agency (Devin Funchess) and the draft (Parris Campbell). Also, Deon Cain could be a name to watch. After missing his entire rookie season with a torn ACL, the second-year pro continues to generate a ton of buzz.

The line performed spectacularly last season, with Quenton Nelson leading the way. Only entering Year 2, Nelson's already the best guard in the NFL. He makes this group go.

Follow Adam Schein on Twitter @AdamSchein.

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1 hour ago, Peace Frog said:

I’m the last person to be “defensive” and if that’s how you took my post, that was not my intent. 

And Baker does not need protection from Jet fans on a Jet board. We’re just discussing the player. Not protecting anyone. 

Didnt want to make it out that youre being defensive per se but all the talk about pushing back when pushed whatever else has been written are excuses.  Has he been treated unfairly or worse than other rookie QBs?  All QBs can make the same case, all players can make the case that they were pushed.  Thats all.  And yes, theres a whole lot of protecting that goes on whenever Bakers behavior gets brought up.

 

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Just now, Jet Nut said:

Didnt say youre being defensive per se but all the talk about pushing back when pushed whatever are excuses.  All QBs can make the same case, all players can make the case that they were pushed.  Thats all.  And yes, theres a whole lot of protecting that goes on whenever Bakers behavior gets brought up.

 

One person’s perception of “protecting” is another person’s perception of a discussion point. 

Besides, “protecting” an NFL QB on a fan message board sounds silly. 

Great player. Either a dick you don’t like or a character you do like. 

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1 minute ago, Peace Frog said:

One person’s perception of “protecting” is another person’s perception of a discussion point. 

Besides, “protecting” an NFL QB on a fan message board sounds silly. 

Great player. Either a dick you don’t like or a character you do like. 

No, these words were used in defense.  Like saying I bet some have been arrested.  As if that makes his arrest OK because I was arrested.  Doesnt change anything.  Saying he just messed around with someone because he couldnt turn the other cheek is a defense for doing something wrong too.  Its like two wrongs make a right.  

I keep saying it, but people keep ignoring it.  I like the player, dont like the personality and the little man bravado.  Thats the way I see it until or if he changes.  Not a big deal, hes not our QB I dont get the "defense" of his behavior when he isnt even on our team and never was an option for our team.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

No, these words were used in defense.  Like saying I bet some have been arrested.  As if that makes his arrest OK because I was arrested.  Doesnt change anything.  Saying he just messed around with someone because he couldnt turn the other cheek is a defense for doing something wrong too.  Its like two wrongs make a right.  

I keep saying it, but people keep ignoring it.  I like the player, dont like the personality and the little man bravado.  Thats the way I see it until or if he changes.  Not a big deal, hes not our QB I dont get the "defense" of his behavior when he isnt even on our team and never was an option for our team.  

 

Well that was just silly. 

I did WAY more stupid things when I was in college. 

Has nothing to do with Baker or whether I like him or not. 

And it’s weird, I don’t like a lot of (well, none of them pretty much) d-bags but he seems like a different kind of d-bag. 

I like his persona. 

I like Sam’s better and Sam’s future better. 

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Just now, Jet Nut said:

No, these words were used in defense.  Like saying I bet some have been arrested.  As if that makes his arrest OK because I was arrested.  Doesnt change anything.  Saying he just messed around with someone because he couldnt turn the other cheek is a defense for doing something wrong too.  Its like two wrongs make a right.  

I keep saying it, but people keep ignoring it.  I like the player, dont like the personality and the little man bravado.  Thats the way I see it until or if he changes.  Not a big deal, hes not our QB I dont get the "defense" of his behavior when he isnt even on our team and never was an option for our team.  

 

You see, everyone has a different take. I don't a care about any other team or player they can all go screw. But, I give credit where credit where is due and I respect any player even if he just had a cup of coffee in any league. Bum, grocery packer etc. is BS talk, where did you play professionally, I think of the poster that posts those sorta comments. 

Baker is a fresh of breath air even if it stinks. The NFL has become a boring instant gratification whinny pussificated league.I liked characters like Joe Willy in a mink, Crazy Raider players, Jim McMahon with a Roselle headband, hell even an occasional Chad Johnson or T.O. rant or Portis dressing up a Mr. whatever. It added some fun to kill or be killed. Now its, collect a check, step out of bounds almost always bs. Work hard, play hard and have some fun that's what I liked so Baker keep entertaining, and suck it too.

 

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On 7/31/2019 at 3:52 PM, nyjunc said:

BB has won a total of ONE playoff game without the greatest QB in NFL history.  BB was fired as a HC (and on his way to being fired a second time), Parcells has never been fired.

Parcells won 2 SBs with non Hof QBs, in the second SB it was the O that kept the bills off the field or BBs D would have had another postseason meltdown.

Parcells turned around FOUR awful franchises (at the time) and turned each into winners.  

Did BB beat him in their lone playoff matchup?  Yep, he beat second year Drew Bledsoe at home in the WC round against a pats team that was dreadful for many years before 1994.  

QBs to make the playoffs with Parcells:

Simms

Hostetler

Bledsoe

Testaverde

Carter

Romo

QBs to make the playoffs under BB:

Brady

Testaverde

 

BB couldn't win without the greatest QB in the history of the game, Parcells could win with basically anyone- he even was 6-3 with RAY LUCAS.

Parcells has never been fired because he gets while the gettin' is good.

Parcells won those 2 Super Bowls with BB. Without him HE HAS WON NOTHING. NOTHING.

You mention he won with all these QB's but HE HAS NEVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT BB.

Even though Parcells supposedly turned around other Franchises his career record is still worse than BB'S.

You say Parcells never won without HOF'ers but he had LT, Carson, Martin to name a few. Even with the best Defensive Player of his Generation he only managed 2 Super Bowls and one was a fluke(Norwood).

You say BB never won with Brady but HE DRAFTED THE BRADY. BB drafted the so-called GOAT of this era yet you give the guy no credit for it.

Your arguments a shame kid. Get Lost.

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On 8/8/2019 at 7:08 PM, Joe W. Namath said:

I can tell you theres not a 34 page thread on sam darnold on the browns board.

This is like the new "Wes Welker? seriously?" thread on steroids.

It took 12 years for that famous Wes Welker thread to produce 64 pages. It took this thread 2 months to produce 34 pages

This is a legendary pace, let me tell you. One for the record books lol. 

 

Maybe this will end up competing with the likes of the lounge's "What are you listening to right now" thread.

 

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I’ll have to say, you guys are “different”.

The longest running thread of all time on our USC message board was “What is better than a wet Song Girl?”, 1,000+ pages of photos of the Song Girls over the years in different poses, lots of photos of them in their tight sweaters jumping into the lake in Tahoe (a tradition), into a pool for the charity “Swim with Mike” and anywhere in the world they’ve made an appearance representing the US and USC.

I’m definitely telling them about this QB fanboy stuff.  🤣

 

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2 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

I’ll have to say, you guys are “different”.

The longest running thread of all time on our USC message board was “What is better than a wet Song Girl?”, 1,000+ pages of photos of the Song Girls over the years in different poses, lots of photos of them in their tight sweaters jumping into the lake in Tahoe (a tradition), into a pool for the charity “Swim with Mike” and anywhere in the world they’ve made an appearance representing the US and USC.

I’m definitely telling them about this QB fanboy stuff.  🤣

 

Do you have any links? 

Are any of them mouthy and on the shorter side?

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5 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Do you have any links? 

Are any of them mouthy and on the shorter side?

No, that’s just me.  😂

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On 8/7/2019 at 5:12 AM, Doggin94it said:

If you haven't seen the talent out of Darnold to be a SB winning QB, I don't know what you've been watching....Fits throws into tight windows.  

 “He had the second-lowest completion percentage last season in the NFL throwing into tight windows (less than one yard of separation at time of target), based on a minimum of 30 attempts.

He completed only 22.2% of those throws, according to NFL Next Gen Stats. The only player with a lower percentage was Josh Allen (13.6%), whom Darnold will face in Week 1. This might surprise some folks, but Lamar Jackson was ahead of his two fellow rookies (26.7%).”

If there’s anything Darnold has to work on, it’s hitting the “covered” receiver from the pocket. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/80546/early-signs-jets-gm-joe-douglas-has-a-plan-and-adam-gase-likes-it

 

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53 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

 “He had the second-lowest completion percentage last season in the NFL throwing into tight windows (less than one yard of separation at time of target), based on a minimum of 30 attempts.

He completed only 22.2% of those throws, according to NFL Next Gen Stats. The only player with a lower percentage was Josh Allen (13.6%), whom Darnold will face in Week 1. This might surprise some folks, but Lamar Jackson was ahead of his two fellow rookies (26.7%).”

If there’s anything Darnold has to work on, it’s hitting the “covered” receiver from the pocket. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/80546/early-signs-jets-gm-joe-douglas-has-a-plan-and-adam-gase-likes-it

 

Curious - do you still think Darnold sucks?  Like no optimism he’s going to be good? 

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4 minutes ago, JiF said:

Curious - do you still think Darnold sucks?  Like no optimism he’s going to be good? 

I don’t think I’ve ever said he sucks. I don’t know what he is yet. 

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26 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t think I’ve ever said he sucks. I don’t know what he is yet. 

Yes but on this board anything less than effusive praise of Darnold means you think he sucks

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30 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t think I’ve ever said he sucks. I don’t know what he is yet. 

Last season?  You were adamant he was terrible.  

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2 minutes ago, CTM said:

Yes but on this board anything less than effusive praise of Darnold means you think he sucks

I don’t think that’s the case, he just was one of the more vocally critical.  Curious if the end of the season/preseason had changed his perspective at all. 

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4 minutes ago, JiF said:

Last season?  You were adamant he was terrible.  

There were games where he was terrible. Overall, he was OK. Good and bad. Excellent playing sandlot, struggled a bit from the pocket. The talent here stinks, which has to be factored in.

 There's a disconnect between his performance from last season and the bust carving that's going on here however. His rookie season stacks up with a lot of the middle tier QB's in the league right now, which I guess in Jetland is a home run.

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2 minutes ago, JiF said:

I don’t think that’s the case, he just was one of the more vocally critical.  Curious if the end of the season/preseason had changed his perspective at all. 

My snark wasnt really directed at you

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