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7 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

The business was already taken care of. He wanted assurances past last year before the season started and he got 7.7M guaranteed for what is almost definitely going to be one additional season of minimal injury risk followed by his freedom and another contract. And now he doesn't want to give even the year. If we're talking about Revis or Antonio Brown or something, sure, that's business. We're not. If there were any chance he could hold up Haslam for more money, fine. I'm certainly all for that. But there isn't. He's refusing to perform the first year of an extension and he's Duke effing Johnson. If he thinks he's good enough not to be made a tragicomic example of for this ridiculous imitation of this thing he saw work on TV once he is out of his ******* mind.

except they would cut him him in a heart beat of it was in the teams benefit. That is why Baker should not talk about it. next yr with 1.5 in dead money they may cut him. What he did for them last yr was take a deal that paid him a 2 million dollar bonus which helps bith the team and the player he gets some money up front and the team spreads the hit. but that was before getting the kansas city rb so je basically signed a team friendly deal to be replaced. Iy is business but we dont know what was promised in the contract or to the player

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15 minutes ago, rammagen said:

except they would cut him him in a heart beat of it was in the teams benefit. That is why Baker should not talk about it. next yr with 1.5 in dead money they may cut him. What he did for them last yr was take a deal that paid him a 2 million dollar bonus which helps bith the team and the player he gets some money up front and the team spreads the hit. but that was before getting the kansas city rb so je basically signed a team friendly deal to be replaced. Iy is business but we dont know what was promised in the contract or to the player

He got a 3 year extension with 8 guaranteed. I don't understand a thing you're trying to say except the first sentence which is just dumb. So everybody should just hold out all the time. Get paid like six times over for every season. Because teams can cut them. Again Johnson already got guaranteed money for what is going to be only this season beyond his rookie deal exactly as he demanded before last year. You don't get to keep ******* around once your demands have already been met.

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5 hours ago, slats said:

Some of his teammates disagree, taking him aside to explain that to him (away from the media) and now he's probably not gonna do that again. Because he shouldn't. 

Appeal to the authority of Jarvis Landry, this is what we're going with now?

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1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said:

Except Baker didn’t just look pro-ready. He statistically had one of the best seasons a rookie QB has ever had...without starting the first 2 or 3 games.

And to think.....  it was Bowles' defense that launched his career.  

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On 6/14/2019 at 11:29 AM, HelenOfTroy said:

That’s not the point at all.....a player, any player, does not comment negatively about another player’s business dealings. It’s the unspoken rule I’m surprised an NFL fan doesn’t know/understand.  Players are taught this in college, by the players from their school in the NFL that guide their young ones along.  

This is a lesson for Baker, you lose trust and respect from your teammates by speaking out on this one issue.  

In this case, appears the older players are “educating” him about this unspoken rule.

Johnson in under contract and DEMANDING A TRADE.  He is going to be gone and is a 3rd string RB.

The QB is 100% that teams ticket to a super bowl win and in many cases big dollars in their contracts.

Our own 'leader' Jamal Adams threw half the team under the bus last year and because he didn't name names he is a leader of accountability and a hero.  Johnson a guy who has 1 and a half feet out the door and causing a distraction is suddenly someone of big importance.

If someone asks Darnold about a hold out player and ye says "We'll we can only worry about who is here and who wants to be here."  He should be admonished as well I would think?

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On 6/14/2019 at 9:35 AM, Legend Killa7 said:

THIS is the type of crap that drives me nuts.  will Mayfield be better than Darnold?  maybe, maybe not.  But man, I would not want this crap on my team!  so sick of years upon years of crap like this on our Jets.  Could you EVER see Darnold doing anything like this?  I mean the guy is borderline boring to be quite honest!!!

they try to mic him up during practice and you fall asleep!!  LOL

but yeah Mayfield...and just wait till OBJ gets going...

I’m still a bigger fan of Darnold even before the draft I wanted Sam here 

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5 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

He got a 3 year extension with 8 guaranteed. I don't understand a thing you're trying to say except the first sentence which is just dumb. So everybody should just hold out all the time. Get paid like six times over for every season. Because teams can cut them. Again Johnson already got guaranteed money for what is going to be only this season beyond his rookie deal exactly as he demanded before last year. You don't get to keep ******* around once your demands have already been met.

First of all what your saying is beyond belief and makes no sense. he signed a deal before they got another running back is that too hard to believe? he made a team friendly deal for what at the time was a starting running back. The deal he made gave him guaranteed money yes but next yr they will cut him as his dead money is less then his starting salary.

I am not saying everyone should hold out or demand new contracts and gathering that from my statement is just F********* idiotic. Baker should just shut his mouth and not get involved period end off story.

Duke Johnson is looking out for Duke end of story. His demands to be traded which you or I don't know what promise was made to him was made after they acquired Hunt. Who are you or I to speculate that Johnson was not promised the chance to start or be the 3rd down back.. It is a business but if they made a promise to Johnson and then got hunt breaking the promise what is the player to do? watch his livelihood go down the drain for the benefit of the club which will cut him next yr after they play him for 8 games and bench him for hunt? Why would the team be the only one to benefit and it seems you are taking the teams side which is fine but all the facts matter before making a decision or even a statement.

Duke Johnson signed a 3 year, $15,610,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including a $3,000,000 signing bonus, $7,757,000 guaranteed (at least get the facts before rounding up), and an average annual salary of $5,203,333. In 2019, Johnson will earn a base salary of $1,800,000, a roster bonus of $400,000 and a workout bonus of $100,000, while carrying a cap hit of $3,050,000 and a dead cap value of $4,050,000.

By cutting Johnson next yr the Browns the browns save money while carrying the hit for bonus. Again it is a business but it is moronic to think he did not concede something to the team and they promised him something and by getting Hunt maybe they reneged on the promise. He has the right to ask for a trade never once did I say get a new contract, if they cut him they will pay him the remainder of the guaranteed money (maybe).

Guaranteed money in the NFL is not really all that guaranteed and you should know that considering your base argument, do you know if his contract was fully guaranteed or was it only for injury? I don't and no where I found online would clarify that. So what we know is his Bonus which was paid at one time and prorated and any other bonuses payed are counted

he received $5,957,000 which was paid at signing is considered guaranteed leaving under 2 million left to be paid. Duke this yr is the 20th highest paid running back.

to clarify

So basically you are saying Duke should shut up and play because he got paid, and I am saying he has the right to ask for trade so he can earn his next contract rather then sit on the bench for 1/2 the season when hunt comes back and loses some of his earning potential before they use him and cut him.

https://overthecap.com/position/running-back/2019/

 

next yrs cap

salary          Bonus     Bonus      Bonus      Cap hit if on the team         Dead Money

$3,600,000 $750,000 $400,000 $100,000  $4,850,000                         

 

$1,500,000

 

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6 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Appeal to the authority of Jarvis Landry, this is what we're going with now?

The teammates dont agree with you.

Talking heads that played the game dont agree with you

We're saying his teammates wont be happy hes talking about another players business.  Instead of getting that its about how others take it you think pounding away at whos right or wrong changes the issue.  it doesnt, he should have STFU

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42 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

The teammates dont agree with you.

Talking heads that played the game dont agree with you

We're saying his teammates wont be happy hes talking about another players business.  Instead of getting that its about how others take it you think pounding away at whos right or wrong changes the issue.  it doesnt, he should have STFU

I don't care what anybody who doesn't understand the difference thinks about basically anything. It's not about Johnson's business. He got what he wanted. That's the business. Now he wants gone too. So...bye. Not that any of that stuff matters because this thread is about butt feelings.

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8 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

I don't care what anybody who doesn't understand the difference thinks about basically anything. It's not about Johnson's business. He got what he wanted. That's the business. Now he wants gone too. So...bye. Not that any of that stuff matters because this thread is about butt feelings.

You really dont understand that you're arguing the wrong point. 

The story isn't about Johnson, what he wanted, what signed for etc.  Its about Mayfield.  It's about his teammates and most players and ex-players, coaches etc thinking what said was dead wrong and shouldnt have been discussed in the press.  

Its not who doesn't or ever needs to understand the difference you're selling, its you selling the wrong story

 

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On 6/14/2019 at 5:42 PM, slats said:

They went from one win in two years laughingstocks to pretty damn cocky in record time. It's not surprising that some outsiders might want to take them down a notch. 

When all is said and done, I'm sure you'll have a page-worth of posts in this thread all by yourself. 

The only outsiders that want to take them down a notch are the outsiders they passed on their way up. Maybe our Jets should do better, then we wouldnt have to worry about what the Browns do. Maybe we should visit a Patriots forum, see how much they care.  

And it seems like this thread has been said and done with...and it tripled in size since my last post back on page 3. I guess Villain isnt needed to pump a page worth of posts in an effort to artificially inflate how interesting the Browns are to Jets fans not named Villain The Foe. 

lol. 

On 6/14/2019 at 6:04 PM, dbatesman said:

tfw you tell Jets fans to “get over it” when they point out that we took Jamal Adams over Patrick Mahomes, but you also have 12 posts in a single thread defending the Browns QB

This is my 13th post in this thread...9 pages in, 12 posts within the first 3 pages. Given your use of Jamal Adams and my position for Jets fans to "get over it", it could be perceived like all I've ever said was "get over it". 

Here's my Jamal Adams thread created by me, which probably has about 12 posts by me in the first 2 pages alone, with plenty more throughout the 12 pages total. Feel free to count the amount total and get back to me. 

 

Here's the thread that sparked me to even create the thread above. Feel free to count the amount of posts in this one as well. I would assume that there's more than 12 posts of me saying "get over it". 

 

Cool Story bro. 

Oh, and I wasnt defending Mayfield. I was showing how many Jets fans are simply haters and would have praised Darnold in this situation. That's all. 

On 6/15/2019 at 8:24 PM, Eaton Beaver said:

Yeah, we are 3 pages in because you keep quoting these full page replies, then adding nothing new to your conversation.

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This thread has tripled in size without me saying a word...without me adding anything new to this coversation. 

 

lmao. 

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15 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

The only outsiders that want to take them down a notch are the outsiders they passed on their way up. Maybe our Jets should do better, then we wouldnt have to worry about what the Browns do. Maybe we should visit a Patriots forum, see how much they care.  

And it seems like this thread has been said and done with...and it tripled in size since my last post back on page 3. I guess Villain isnt needed to pump a page worth of posts in an effort to artificially inflate how interesting the Browns are to Jets fans not named Villain The Foe. 

lol. 

This is my 13th post in this thread...9 pages in, 12 posts within the first 3 pages. Given your use of Jamal Adams and my position for Jets fans to "get over it", it could be perceived like all I've ever said was "get over it". 

Here's my Jamal Adams thread created by me, which probably has about 12 posts by me in the first 2 pages alone, with plenty more throughout the 12 pages total. Feel free to count the amount total and get back to me. 

 

Here's the thread that sparked me to even create the thread above. Feel free to count the amount of posts in this one as well. I would assume that there's more than 12 posts of me saying "get over it". 

 

Cool Story bro. 

Oh, and I wasnt defending Mayfield. I was showing how many Jets fans are simply haters and would have praised Darnold in this situation. That's all. 

This thread has tripled in size without me saying a word...without me adding anything new to this coversation. 

 

lmao. 

I would hope they would say exactly the same about Sam if he said that.  But that would be very far fetched.

I would also expect our own veterans player’s to confront Sam if he said it.  

Regardless, a lesson will be learned and Baker will be just fine....just keep winning kid, or past comments will come back to haunt you, or any other QB who commits a grand faux pas like that, lol.

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22 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

I would hope they would say exactly the same about Sam if he said that.  But that would be very far fetched.

I would also expect our own veterans player’s to confront Sam if he said it.  

Regardless, a lesson will be learned and Baker will be just fine....just keep winning kid, or past comments will come back to haunt you, or any other QB who commits a grand faux pas like that, lol.

I agree and I think that the veterans on the team would have confronted Sam on the issue, not for a lack of leadership or even the overall position, but for responding to a particular question with more than just that general position.

In otherwords, family business stays in house. In order for Sam, Baker or any other player to learn that they will usually learn it from the Veterans on the team. 

I dont see a problem with what Baker said, because he's right. However, I understand veterans speaking to him when he got a bit more specific in one of his responses. It's one thing as a leader to let it be known that the train is moving with or without folks no matter who they are, it's another to move out of the realm of generalizations, which he did in one of the responses. That happens when journalist are digging for stories during the dog days. 

 

As for Sam, I think it's safe to say that if Sam did this, the title of that thread wouldnt be "Implosion already happening for the Jets?". 

 

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you're talking alot, but your not saying anything...

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1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

I agree and I think that the veterans on the team would have confronted Sam on the issue, not for a lack of leadership or even the overall position, but for responding to a particular question with more than just that general position.

In otherwords, family business stays in house. In order for Sam, Baker or any other player to learn that they will usually learn it from the Veterans on the team. 

I dont see a problem with what Baker said, because he's right. However, I understand veterans speaking to him when he got a bit more specific in one of his responses. It's one thing as a leader to let it be known that the train is moving with or without folks no matter who they are, it's another to move out of the realm of generalizations, which he did in one of the responses. That happens when journalist are digging for stories during the dog days. 

 

As for Sam, I think it's safe to say that if Sam did this, the title of that thread wouldnt be "Implosion already happening for the Jets?". 

 

Have you ever dropped in on a Browns site, or a Bills site and read their opinions of Sam?  Brutal, lol.

The highlighted is true on every message board regarding opposing players, particularly Baker and Sam, two very different personalities...one is almost catatonic, the other can’t keep his mouth and ego in check.  We all tend to defend the devil we have in our house.  😎

 

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14 hours ago, HelenOfTroy said:

Have you ever dropped in on a Browns site, or a Bills site and read their opinions of Sam?  Brutal, lol.

The highlighted is true on every message board regarding opposing players, particularly Baker and Sam, two very different personalities...one is almost catatonic, the other can’t keep his mouth and ego in check.  We all tend to defend the devil we have in our house.  😎

 

I haven't. But I can atleast see the reasoning. Bills are rivals and when Baker was taken 1st overall, the football world basically said that it was a very "Brownsy move" to pick Baker over Darnold. 

What's the Jets fan reason for the saltiness? We literally got the guy we wanted, Baker was off the board before we picked and given all of the negative talk on Baker, its clear that generally fans either didn't want or even consider him. Jets nation got everything we wanted out of the draft yet some fans seem salty at the Browns. Its just weird.

I talk crap about the Bills qb anytime the topic comes up. Dude is a tight end with a powerful inaccurate arm. But I mostly talk because they're rivals and it's for sport. There's no real animosity towards them. The only team I really dislike are the Pats. 

 

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The Browns have some great players with crappy attitudes. Mayfield is a gamer but a hot head and a baby IMHO. I can see the team climbing to the top of the division and I can also see the team imploding internally. Coaches need to deal with any locker room riff quickly and decisively. If the coaches lose the locker room it’s over. Nothing beats a team more than internal strife and rumblings. Gook luck Cleveland, you’re gonna need it. The fuel is there, all someone needs to do is light the match.

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Duke Johnson on the Pats would be dangerous. Hold the door, Cleveland!

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001035069/article/browns-david-njoku-i-want-20-touchdowns-this-year

Browns' David Njoku: 'I want 20 touchdowns this year'

 
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  • Published: July 3, 2019 at 09:21 a.m.
 

Make a list of Cleveland Browns offensive weapons.

How far down that list does David Njoku land?

It (probably) goes, Baker, Odell, Jarvis and Chubb, Kareem Hunt when not suspended, and then Njoku.

The dynamic tight end landing well down the list underscores the Browns' dynamic turnaround from previous seasons, where deficiencies on that side of the ball were deep.

Heading into his third season, the former first-round pick could be in for a leap, becoming one of the top tight ends in the NFL.

While working out with Baker Mayfield and other teammates in Los Angeles, Njoku stopped by the Rich Eisen Show Tuesday and was asked about his goals for the 2019 season.

"Honestly speaking, I don't really put numbers into my goals," Njoku told Eisen. "I just feel like if I gave everything I could to the game, just worked my hardest, I feel like I'll feel accomplished."

...Wait for it...

"With that being said, I want 20 touchdowns this year," Njoku added laughing before going back to his canned responses. "I just feel, for me, just knowing that I gave all I got will make me feel accomplished."

Sure, Njoku was mostly joking about 20 touchdowns -- though we should never chastise a professional athlete for setting the bar high. Only two players in NFL history have reached the 20-TD catch bar: Jerry Rice (22) in 1987, and Randy Moss (23) in 2007. Rob Gronkowski's 17 TDs in 2011 were the most ever for a tight end. Last season, Antonio Brown led the entire NFL with 15 TDs and Jimmy Graham led TEs with 10.

The number Njoku picked is beside the point. The broader notion the numerical utterance conjures is a discussion about whether the tight end is potentially primed for a big season.

Still just 22 years old, Njoku owns the ideal combination of size at 6-foot-4, 246 pounds, and athleticism to become a dominant tight end force, if he can become consistent in all facets. Last season, he showed flashes of being a potential difference-making target for Mayfield, who can take advantage of mismatches over the middle, flying past linebackers and bullying safeties. His 639 yards and four TDs on 56 receptions showed promise, but the ceiling could be much higher.

Improved route-running from Year 1 to Year 2 was evident on Njoku's film, and while he wasn't the best blocker for his position, he got noticeably better. Taking those strides to another level in Year 3 will determine how high Njoku's leap can be.

The talent is there for Njoku. One big question is whether there will be enough pigskin to go around. With Mayfield needing to feed Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, keep the RBs happy, etc. Njoku's numbers might be suppressed more than if he were playing in an offense devoid of such talents.

The TE himself noted how stacked the offense is heading into 2019.

"We got Odell, Jarvis, (Antonio) Callaway, (Rashard) 'Hollywood' Higgins, me, Kareem Hunt, Nick Chubb, Duke Johnson, Baker Mayfield. That's just the offense," Njoku said. "The defense is completely stacked too."

Perhaps too stacked for Njoku to generate close to 20 TDs, but in Cleveland that's a good thing.

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On 6/17/2019 at 3:06 AM, Villain The Foe said:

I haven't. But I can atleast see the reasoning. Bills are rivals and when Baker was taken 1st overall, the football world basically said that it was a very "Brownsy move" to pick Baker over Darnold. 

What's the Jets fan reason for the saltiness? We literally got the guy we wanted, Baker was off the board before we picked and given all of the negative talk on Baker, its clear that generally fans either didn't want or even consider him. Jets nation got everything we wanted out of the draft yet some fans seem salty at the Browns. Its just weird.

I talk crap about the Bills qb anytime the topic comes up. Dude is a tight end with a powerful inaccurate arm. But I mostly talk because they're rivals and it's for sport. There's no real animosity towards them. The only team I really dislike are the Pats. 

 

Nobody is salty over Baker Mayfield... Most Jet fans couldn't care less what Mayfield says or does.

That said:

You don't publicly trash a teammate over money. Bad form.

And whether you agree or disagree you have drawn a line in the sand, this eventually leads to people joining 1 side or the other. This creates division, when there didn't need to be any.

IMO, this is the beginning of a fracture. Just a slight crack, surface stuff really but what happens when something down the line creates more tensions and Baker draws another line in the sand.... More fractures.

It's coming, its just a matter of when. 

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8 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Nobody is salty over Baker Mayfield... Most Jet fans couldn't care less what Mayfield says or does.

That said:

You don't publicly trash a teammate over money. Bad form.

And whether you agree or disagree you have drawn a line in the sand, this eventually leads to people joining 1 side or the other. This creates division, when there didn't need to be any.

IMO, this is the beginning of a fracture. Just a slight crack, surface stuff really but what happens when something down the line creates more tensions and Baker draws another line in the sand.... More fractures.

It's coming, its just a matter of when. 

 

Bingo.  Duke Johnson's days appear numbered on the Browns, so its unlikely people are going to choose that hill to die on when it comes to Mayfield.  But when he starts going after entrenched guys like OBJ, Landry, any of his starting O-Linemen, etc, that's when things will get very messy. 

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15 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Nobody is salty over Baker Mayfield... Most Jet fans couldn't care less what Mayfield says or does.

That said:

You don't publicly trash a teammate over money. Bad form.

And whether you agree or disagree you have drawn a line in the sand, this eventually leads to people joining 1 side or the other. This creates division, when there didn't need to be any.

IMO, this is the beginning of a fracture. Just a slight crack, surface stuff really but what happens when something down the line creates more tensions and Baker draws another line in the sand.... More fractures.

It's coming, its just a matter of when. 

I didnt come across that link showing Mayfield trash Duke over "money"...especially since Johnson just signed a new contract with extra money just 1 season ago.

Hard to believe folks claim of not being salty yet dont care to get the foundation of their criticism of him correct...to the point that they then create divisions of the team and all of this fictional chaos that is based on incorrect info.

OR, you can provide that link showing Baker trashing him over money.

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All pointless. The Browns are more fine then they've ever been,  since the 80s at least. There's no issues.

Well, the uniform, yeah, that's  still an issue lol

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6 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

OR, you can provide that link showing Baker trashing him over money.

The man’s desire to be traded is 100% about playing and being paid as a result, and also none of Mayfield’s business. 

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22 minutes ago, slats said:

The man’s desire to be traded is 100% about playing and being paid as a result, and also none of Mayfield’s business. 

Johnson's pay is indeed none of Mayfield's business. 

And I havent been shown anything that would suggest that he was talking about Duke and his money. Just provide a link of that conversation. That would clarify everything and show that this isnt about salt and just hanging onto any negative narrative...similar to anything else folks like to hang onto. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Johnson's pay is indeed none of Mayfield's business. 

And I havent been shown anything that would suggest that he was talking about Duke and his money. Just provide a link of that conversation. That would clarify everything and show that this isnt about salt and just hanging onto any negative narrative...similar to anything else folks like to hang onto. 

 

 

I’m not interested enough. Also, I cook with salt, but never add it to foods after it’s cooked. 

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1 hour ago, slats said:

I’m not interested enough. Also, I cook with salt, but never add it to foods after it’s cooked. 

Of course providing links to that info isnt worth such levels of interest. 

The only interest was providing your 2 cents though. 

Thats how I know that the type of salt is Lawry's. 

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nominate for most inane thread that shoulde be nuked...

 

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On 7/4/2019 at 1:40 AM, Villain The Foe said:

I didnt come across that link showing Mayfield trash Duke over "money"...especially since Johnson just signed a new contract with extra money just 1 season ago.

Hard to believe folks claim of not being salty yet dont care to get the foundation of their criticism of him correct...to the point that they then create divisions of the team and all of this fictional chaos that is based on incorrect info.

OR, you can provide that link showing Baker trashing him over money.

He said when asked about Duke wanting to be traded, he responded you are either on the train or you are not... I heard what he said. Duke wants to be traded after he was sold that he would be in a certain role. They changed their tune when they signed Hunt, and now he wants out. 

It might seem petty but its on Duke to speak up about what he does and doesn't want. 

Having Baker draw a line saying that you are on the train or not in direct response to the question about Duke being unhappy is stepping onto another man's contract, whether or not he meant it or not it doesn't matter.  You don't criticize how other people negotiate their contracts.

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On 6/15/2019 at 1:49 PM, Philc1 said:

We have an actual coaching staff now that can make adjustments during the game.

I am looking forward to these. It's been soooooooo long since I've seen this team do those.

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8 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

He said when asked about Duke wanting to be traded, he responded you are either on the train or you are not... I heard what he said. Duke wants to be traded after he was sold that he would be in a certain role. They changed their tune when they signed Hunt, and now he wants out. 

It might seem petty but its on Duke to speak up about what he does and doesn't want. 

Having Baker draw a line saying that you are on the train or not in direct response to the question about Duke being unhappy is stepping onto another man's contract, whether or not he meant it or not it doesn't matter.  You don't criticize how other people negotiate their contracts.

Actually, that is directly stemming from the fact that Duke didnt like the signing of a player who plays his position and is better than him and is pissy about it, not about some breach of contract or money within that contract that he signed a year before Hunt became a Brown.

Cool story though.

 

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On 6/14/2019 at 11:29 AM, Untouchable said:

Pretty much 

I was on record multiple times before the ‘18 draft saying that I would take Mayfield at #6. But only provided that guys like Darnold and Rosen were gone. I even preferred Allen over him. But I still realized that we absolutely HAD to grab one of those top prospects and even though I had plenty of issues with Mayfield, I still thought that he was worthy of a 1st round pick. Not Top 10 really, but a solid prospect who admittedly possessed the accuracy that you need to be a consistent, good NFL starter.

But once we traded multiple 2nd rounders to move up to #3...I wanted dick to do with the guy. We were almost assured of Darnold or Rosen at that point.

I think Mayfield will ultimately be a Jeff Garcia type. He’ll have an 8-10 year run as a quality starter in Cleveland, make a couple of pro-bowls, be beloved by the fanbase, and then transition to being a quality backup for a few years if his ego can handle it.

Not a bust, but not the 15 year, Top 5 QB that I very much believe Darnold will end up being.

Lmao

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