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What do you think Mike McCagnans biggest regret will be?

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20 hours ago, tkiss24 said:

Every draft pick not made in round 1
 

Darron Lee and Leonard Williams aren't exactly winners either. 

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19 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

If the jets win 10 or 11 games this year, he shouldnt regret anything.  

5 years of awful drafting to have maybe one playoff season.  Yeehaw great job!!

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19 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

There is a long list of QB busts from the first round so there is zero chance a QB bust in the second round ranks high on the list of embarrassing FO decisions. Guys like Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Heath Shuler and many more are far bigger busts considering where they were drafted. 
Hack was an awful pick, but every year there are 2nd round picks that turn out to be complete zeros in the NFL just look at every other 2nd round pick of the Jets the last 20 years. 

No QB with Christian Hackenberg's college resume has ever succeeded in the NFL.  Ever. 

And not only did he take Hackenberg in the 2nd round, he doubled down on him the next season too, passing on Mahomes and Watson in the process.

So yes, it was the worst draft pick in Jets history.  Because Macc actually thought that a guy with a 0 % chance of succeeding would be our franchise QB. 

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6 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Lee no but Williams is going to have a beast of a year (then sign a long term contract and turn into Wilkerson :/)

With Williams at DC, The Rams D was middle of the pack in 2016 with a DL containing Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers and Robert Quinn.

I just don't see Leo having some monster year.  Better than under Bowles/Rodgers?  Sure.  But I would hope this new regime is smart enough to let him walk.  They didn't draft him, after all.

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2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Its also awful easy to keep saying he had 0 chance of succeeding.  There hasnt been a draft pick ever who you can say had a 0% chance to succeed.    

The dude literally couldn't even complete passes to stationary targets in warmups.  Yes, Hackenberg had a 0 % chance.  If you can't complete 60 % of your throws against Indiana after 4 tries, you're not completing passes against professional football teams. 

And again, its bad enough Macc, who was the VP of College Scouting in Houston, whiffed so badly on Hackenberg.  What's even worse is that we had him here for a full year and he still doubled down.

Worst draft pick in Jets history.

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21 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

It’s his contract year.  

And he's an average athlete for his position.  Just because he might be motivated doesn't mean he'll produce.  He'll have to earn his playing time too, with Quinnen, Henry Anderson, McLendon, Shepherd and Fatukaski all competing for snaps. 

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5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

The question wasn't whether it was the worst Jets draft pick of all time (which it wasn't) it was whether it was one of the worst moves by a Front office, which it wasn't in the top 100. 

The Bucs took a kicker in the 2nd round a couple of years ago who is now out of the league because he was so awful. There are hundreds of other examples.

Hack was awful. I am not defending him, but to suggest that a bad 2nd round pick is somehow worse than bad picks in the 5-10 picks of the draft is stupid.  

Not really.  Not when Hackenberg had a 6th, maybe 5th round resume.  Taking a guy like that in the 2nd is worse than taking a shot on a highly-valued guy in the top 10 and having him bust. 

As for the Bucs Kicker, its sad in itself that a 2nd round K is in the same conversation as a QB. 

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2 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

He’ll get plenty of playing time especially with them using multiple fronts and at this moment he’s the best DL on the team.

I’m actually looking forward to seeing what defensive schemes they use. The CBs are the weakest link in a passing league so it will be tough to protect them. 

I just fail to see this argument.  We don't have a pass-rushing DE.  We just have a bunch of NT's and 3-4/4-3 DT's.  There's only so much flexibility there in the kinds of looks you can show.

I agree Leonard will take a big step up, but only because of Gregg Williams' personality, not really his scheming.  He hasn't really shown a great X's and O's ability in a long time, and there's a reason he keeps jumping from team to team.  He's certainly FAR better than Kacy Rodgers, but that doesn't mean everyone will elevate their play significantly.  Only certain guys will take big steps forward. 

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9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 A bad, wasted pick is no different if it was wasted on a Tackle/Kicker/QB. 

And we didn't pass on Mahomes because we had Hack. We already knew he was horrible by then. We passed on Mahomes because the plan was to tank for one of the QBs in the Darnold class. Again, I am not upset about ending up with Darnold at the end of this process.  

Link?

If the plan was to tank, why didn't we do it properly?  Why sign McCown?  Why not sink or swim with Hackenberg/Petty?  Why finish with the 6th pick and then have to give up three 2nds just for the chance to draft one of the "top 3" QB's (which could still have easily been Josh Allen)?

And why did Macc make Kirk Cousins his Plan A and offer him the most money if the plan was always to draft a QB?

Answer:  You're dead wrong. 

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6 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Williams already said he’s going to use multiple fronts with a 3-4 base so unless he goes to a 2-4-5 they’ll be more DL on the field so LW will be out there. Even if he uses a 2-4-5 LW would still be out there.  

Makes sense.  But that's just a situation where you're putting more DT's out there, not really changing what you're doing.  Without a pass-rushing DE or other versatile front 7 guys you're still just kind of throwing blunt instruments out there on every down.  If they can't get off their blocks and/or Polite doesn't turn into a player, we're screwed.

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1 hour ago, rangerous said:

i was going to say the same thing.  of course that all presupposes that bowles et al would know what to do with him.  and it also presupposes that mac would've given the offense more emphasis.  at this point i'm not so upset he passed on watson or didn't move to get trubisky.  mahomes was there for the taking.  and even if he was in love with hack, he should've been listening to his coaches.  they weren't all snowed by mac's infatuation.

To be fair, the offense was ranked # 14 in 2015 and # 23 in 2017 per FO under Bowles.  Not great but not terrible considering the sh*t sandwich Bowles was given at QB pre-Darnold.

Mahomes would not have had an MVP season under Bowles but he would have been an upper tier QB.  Mahomes' talent is undeniable, and its why Andy Reid shipped out Alex Smith despite him having a career year the previous season.  Some people around here questioned that. 

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