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8 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

USED the term. The point is no one cares. But that doesn't help you, does it?

Plenty of people care.  Just not here at JN.

And what makes you think that I need to be helped in this situation. :blink:   

 

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35 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

There's not one person that has been alive for 112 years that has used Redskin as a slur.

Well, that settles that.

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

“Once the genocide stopped it became more like a nickname” is today’s hottest take, friends. Log off and go home. Last one out, turn off the lights. 

No one finds it offensive except those that make political correctness a hobby. 9 out of 10 people it's supposed to wound the deepest could give a rats ass about the name. Treat them like people and not your pet project. Imagining that they're too ignorant to know what they should be offended by is way more dehumanizing than an antiquated term that someone used 70 years ago to depict his team as brave, strong etc.

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8 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said:

No one finds it offensive except those that make political correctness a hobby. 9 out of 10 people it's supposed to wound the deepest could give a rats ass about the name. Treat them like people and not your pet project. Imagining that they're too ignorant to know what they should be offended by is way more dehumanizing than an antiquated term that someone used 70 years ago to depict his team as brave, strong etc.

I’m going to antagonize you into editing this post to book-length 

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1 hour ago, Jack Straw said:

9/10 Native Americans surveyed are not offended by the term "redskins." If they're not offended, then I don't see any reason why I should be...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.76a09bc46b61

I’ve also read articles discrediting that poll, so yeah. 

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9 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Btw, you know what I heard recently?

The term “Eskimo” is an incredibly offensive slur. 

So what we were actually taught in the 4th grade is now unacceptable. 

Apparently Obama signed an executive order in 2016 to remove it from all federal laws. 

Who knew?

Call me a WOP or a Guinea I don’t care. 

Your screenname is offensive to the French 

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9 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

But it’s the 1 out of 10 that is making the noise. 

Even if it was 1 out of 10,000 they would still be claiming hate speech. 

Feelings have conquered facts because everyone has feelings but not everyone has the facts. We’ve conditioned kids for the last 30 years or so to believe that their viewpoint matters on every possible subject whether they know what they’re talking about or not.

Too much focus on self-esteem building. Humility is also a good thing.

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11 hours ago, Warfish said:

Probably because we killed off most of them around the same time-frame.

I loathe the name.  I loathe the team. 

Other than that, unsurprising beaten-dead-horse-thread is unsurprising and........wait for it.......beaten to death.  :-k

 

 

Who is "we"? 

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Hang in there, millennials. Only 23.69 years until the last Baby Boomer dies off. 

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28 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hang in there, millennials. Only 23.69 years until the last Baby Boomer dies off. 

Ah the beautiful future of a millennial-controlled world. No farmers, factories, miners, steelworkers, janitors, streetsweepers, or laborers of any sort.

Sh*tload of baristas, though.

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17 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

9/10 Native Americans surveyed are not offended by the term "redskins." If they're not offended, then I don't see any reason why I should be...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.76a09bc46b61

They were too busy working at the casino .

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The poll was of only 500 people who "self-identified" as Native.  Hardly a great or true sampling of the millions of native Americans feelings.  Even then, ~10% were opposed to the name/found it offensive.

Other polls (by ESPN) more broadly found 23% of general respondents were opposed to the name. 

And 28% of DC-area resident were opposed to the name in a previous Washington Post poll.

So here is a question, why keep a name that offends anywhere from 10-30% of the people in the marketplace? 

I'm willing to bet less than 1% is bothered by almost any other name int he NFL (the Chiefs maybe the only other one that might poll at 5% or higher, but it gets far less complaint than the Redskins, for good reason).

The name was chosen by one of the most blatantly racist owners in NFL history.  If you're unaware of this teams history, you should read up on it.

The team represent a city that is majority minority population, with it's own sad history of racism and racist strife.

So knowing all that, why keep the name?  Is there some sick pride in telling people bothered by it to **** off?  Is there some twisted crusade to be against "PC culture", i.e. having a modicum of respect for other minority people and cultures, and to instead promote a business consciously being offensive to 10-30% of the population as some kind of point of pride?  

I just honestly don't get it.  The name unquestionably has a historic racist history.  Anyone denying that fact is akin to a holocaust denier, and should frankly be shouted down on the spot for such ignorance.   

Just change the damn name, the team will make more money (happens with every name or uniform change), will get great PR and pub for doing it (for a franchise worse than even the Jets in the last decade), and no one has cause for offense. 

It's literally a win/win/win to do it.

I'm hard pressed to see a single reason not to do it tbqh.  Well, apart from one reason...

 

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I feel both ways on the name, tbh. I do feel bad that some people (and I don't give a crap if its 10%, we don't treat ppl poorly just because they are of the tiniest minority) feel that the name is racially charged. It is. Of course it is. That, in and of itself should disqualify it's use.

I also feel the sense of a historic name, that legendarily authored some of the NFL'S defining moments. Coach Lombardi's comeback and death. Doug Williams breaking old tropes about black quarterbacks. Those bastards raiding our jets! Losing that name would also be losing a little bit of that. 

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21 hours ago, slats said:

Slurs against races, ethnic groups, and sexual orientations are the new obscenities.  Maybe 50-60 years ago the n-word would be fine for use in public, mixed company while the f-word would be a serious no-no. Today, the opposite is true. Not sure this case is enough to uphold a nickname that some, or many, may find to be racist. The Redskin name was perfectly acceptable 70 years ago, but so was Song of the South which you're unlikely to ever see broadcast or screened again. 

We should never try to erase history be it statues,books,films or names. Some people now think concentration camps exist on our southern border but not in Europe 80 years ago.. 

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4 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

We should never try to erase history be it statues,books,films or names. Some people now think concentration camps exist on our southern border but not in Europe 80 years ago.. 

"Some people," are idiots and think all sorts of incorrect things. 

Some statues are fake history, put up at a time to intimidate. They can come down. People can choose to rename a town or road or building and should feel free to do so. If you're showing, Birth of a Nation, I'd prefer it be in the context of, "oh, look how racist this piece of early 20th century propaganda is." Some other people think that's the way things should still be today. We should learn lessons from history and teach those lessons and evolve as a result of our education. Some things that were okay 50-100 years ago are seen as wrong now, and that's a good thing, IMHO. 

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18 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

You know who sucks?

Announcers who won't call them Redskins and will only call them "Washington".

So weak.  

true !  B)

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21 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Stop/ Thanks./ Or I will put everyone of your post in your very own thread. Again!

ok  :unsure:.. Go Jets !  :wub:

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3 minutes ago, slats said:

"Some people," are idiots and think all sorts of incorrect things. 

Some statues are fake history, put up at a time to intimidate. They can come down. People can choose to rename a town or road or building and should feel free to do so. If you're showing, Birth of a Nation, I'd prefer it be in the context of, "oh, look how racist this piece of early 20th century propaganda is." Some other people think that's the way things should still be today. We should learn lessons from history and teach those lessons and evolve as a result of our education. Some things that were okay 50-100 years ago are seen as wrong now, and that's a good thing, IMHO. 

Which is why you don't erase things you learn from history, as far as the Redskins name goes if it doesn't bother Indians it shouldn't bother you.. I grew up in a era where sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.. Hell if you took bad words out of Rap would it still exist?? But I guess if one doesn't want to ever hear disagreement one can always find a safe space on a college campus and pet a therapy dog..  B) 

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17 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Btw, you know what I heard recently?

The term  :Chrismaz_PDT: “Eskimo”  :Chrismaz_PDT: is an incredibly offensive slur. 

So what we were actually taught in the 4th grade is now unacceptable. 

Apparently Obama signed an executive order in 2016 to remove it from all federal laws. 

Who knew?

Call me a WOP or a Guinea I don’t care. 

i Luv the Edmonton  Eskimos  !   :wub:

 

 

cheers ~ ~

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10 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Which is why you don't erase things you learn from history, as far as the Redskins name goes if it doesn't bother Indians it shouldn't bother you.. I grew up in a era where sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.. Hell if you took bad words out of Rap would it still exist?? But I guess if one doesn't want to ever hear disagreement one can always find a safe space on a college campus and pet a therapy dog..  B) 

I find the name to be a little racist, and if there are people who want to take on that fight, I welcome them to. It's not my fight, though. 

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Wasn't the guy who originally named the team a huge racist?  I mean, come on.  It's a terrible name and always will be.  The courts are correct to rule in the fashion that they did, but that doesn't make it right. 

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Washington Blackskins?

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Welcome to the analysis of the Redskin name from a 1/4th Native, Jetnation's very own Grandy!

Is the name obscene and backwards? Yes

Should it be banned? No, it was named by people who aren't even alive anymore and has been around for decades with Natives themselves not really caring. If people and especially the players on the team being opposed to the name wanted it changed, so be it. I personally am not a Redskin fan and despise their ownership so I don't really care anyways if they change it.

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Whether they change it or not, I refuse to call Washington that name.

Knowing the history of that word, it would be very disrespectful to do so

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15 minutes ago, King P said:

Whether they change it or not, I refuse to call Washington that name.

Knowing the history of that word, it would be very disrespectful to do so

So I assume you would be against many Rap lyrics?? 

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1 minute ago, Savage69 said:

So I assume you would be against many Rap lyrics?? 

Certain words, yes. And I try my best not to use those words as much (I know which word you're referring to btw, nice try)

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2 minutes ago, King P said:

Certain words, yes. And I try my best not to use those words as much (I know which word you're referring to btw, nice try)

Really wasn't a try.  Very accurate that it's hard to take this serious if you can't drive down the street with out hearing the "ethnic slur" being screamed from every other open car window.

Or you can't watch a highlight reel on a player with out hearing it screamed at you.    LOL

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1 minute ago, flgreen said:

Really wasn't a try.  Very accurate that it's hard to take this serious if you can't drive down the street with out hearing the "ethnic slur" being screamed from every other open car window.

Or you can't watch a highlight reel on a player with out hearing it screamed at you.    LOL

Context is king

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5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Hang in there, millennials. Only 23.69 years until the last Baby Boomer dies off. 

..when  your/my  mascara is $43.00... there is no time for crying   :-( 

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21 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

So I assume you would be against many Rap lyrics?? 

Whataboutism at it's best.

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