nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Peace Frog said: The GOAT cannot lose 3 SBs. Whilst playing for a systematically cheating franchise. The GOAT never lost a SB. It’s like saying LeBron is better than Jordan. Nonsense. LeBron has 3 titles and won all three by forming superteams, Jordan has 6 and never went to another team to chase a ring. Brady has more than Montana and he's done it with less talent around him and a HC that was a total failure without him. In the 3 SBs Brady lost- He led team to 33 in one (record for SB loser) and left the field late with leads in the other 2 before his D allowed a mediocre QB to lead 2 gw drives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Peace Frog said: Brady played in an era with rules designed to allow QBs to excel and that allowed systematic cheating far beyond stickum. Not the GOAT. Never as good as Joe Cool. Never should have been one SB (tuck), out and out cheated for another (Rams), benefited from the worst offensive call in the history of sports (Seahawks), benefited from the biggest choke in the history of sports (Falcons) and road the coattails of the defense (did nothing) in the last. The rules changed after the 2003 season to help Peyton win. Interestingly enough NE beat Peyton in 2003 24-14 in the playoffs(by the way, 2 weeks later the great Jake delhomme would lead Carolina to 29 pts against that same D) then the next year with the new rules Peyton led his high powered O to 3 points losing to NE again. Brady wins under any conditions, he's the best and it's not close 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 To be the best you have to beat the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team archer Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: To be the best you have to beat the best Or wait till hes old and washed/retired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Peace Frog said: The GOAT cannot lose 3 SBs. Whilst playing for a systematically cheating franchise. The GOAT never lost a SB. Apparently the GOAT just loses NFC playoff games instead What a moronic argument 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 8 hours ago, PS17 said: This argument is beyond stupid. Montana is 4-0 in Super Bowls. He also was 0-3, one and done in three straight playoffs from 1985-87. I’ll take Brady making it to the Super Bowl and losing, having won 2+ prior games, over Montana flaming out in the opening round. 6-3 >>>> 4-0 with multiple early round exits Beat me to it, but 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 It's a misconception that the majority, or even a substantial minority, of players hate players on other teams. That's fandom. Players mostly view each other as fellow professionals. It's the most unsurprising thing ever that a player would express positive--or as here, extremely positive--opinions about a player from a "rival" team, if he believes them. But hey let's get the torches and cannibalize our own heroes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Watching Brady his whole career and seeing what he’s done. I have to agree with Joe. I don’t like it but he’s the best in my lifetime. And yes I have Johnny U., Joe Willy and Bart Starr’s football cards from when I was a kid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Brady is better than Montana, in every way measurable. And I always thought that Montana was the best. I could care less how many SBs Brady lost, he has six rings. No one else comes close. Sucks, I hate everything about Brady and the Pats but... +1 Guys that played the game look at things different then fans.. In this era where there is a cap with all the rule changes that help the offense especially the QB Brady is the best.. Namath is also right about Archie Manning if he was on a good not even great team he would have made the HOF.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Poor Joe, he was never the brightest crayon in the box....but, he’s kinda right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, HelenOfTroy said: Poor Joe, he was never the brightest crayon in the box....but, he’s kinda right. Interesting. Have never heard anyone question Joes smart's on or off the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 13 hours ago, BROOKLYN JET said: Yahoo Sports Shalise Manza Young Jun 24th 2019 3:41PM https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/06/24/joe-namath-tom-brady-is-the-greatest-quarterback-ever/23755615/ At 76 years old, Joe Namath has seen a lot of quarterback play. The New York Jets legend idolized Johnny Unitas and has tremendous respect for some of the greats of the game. But his pick for best ever is a man who’s still playing. ‘Tom is the best’ Chatting with Howard Stern on Monday, Namath declared New England Patriots’ Tom Brady, fresh off his sixth Super Bowl win and a little more than a month away from his 42nd birthday, is the greatest quarterback. Sorry, Jets fans. “Tom is the best,” Namath said, in response to Stern’s observation that Brady has been able to stay healthy for so long. “I’ve been asked that question for many years. Johnny U. [Unitas] was my hero, Otto Graham was great, Slingin’ Sammy Baugh, I go back, these guys are great. “But meantime, Tom has been challenged more in recent history certainly with huge games than anyone I can recollect and he’s stepped up every time.” While Brady has certainly racked up stats over his career, which now enters its 20th season, Namath didn’t point to those as the primary reason for his ranking. “Here’s a quarterback, when I watch pro football games, college games, you can literally see - and I actually lost games for our team by throwing poorly, throwing interceptions, I have not seen Tom Brady lose a game for his team.” ‘He’s the best at answering the challenge’ Is he the greatest there ever was?, Stern asked. “I would have to say he’s the best at answering the challenge there ever was, yes,” Namath said. “I have not seen anybody have that many big games and answer the challenge as well as he has.” While admitting that he’s not the most knowledgeable when it comes to football, Stern said whenever he watches Brady he’s just able to pull games out. What is it that separates good players from NFL players or great players?, Stern asked. “Desire, to start with, and luck - injuries come into play,” Namath said. He then invoked the name of the first family of NFL quarterbacking. “The best quarterback that I know of that’s not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and he would be the first Manning into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, is their daddy, Archie,” Namath said. “But he played for the New Orleans ‘Aints’, not Saints. “They used to wear bags over their heads. And Archie was running for his life all the time.” did he forget that McClown is OBVIOUSLY the best backup of ALl TIME? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Losmeister said: did he forget that McClown is OBVIOUSLY the best backup of ALl TIME? Actually the best backup of all time was Steve Young.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Actually the best backup of all time was Steve Young.. Actually Brady wins that too. He led NE to a SB when he started the season as a backup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Actually Brady wins that too. He led NE to a SB when he started the season as a backup If that's the case any QB who didn't start year one would be in the running.. Mahomes comes to mind.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, Savage69 said: If that's the case any QB who didn't start year one would be in the running.. Mahomes comes to mind.. This was year 2 for him though and he was the backup when they went 0-2 before becoming the starter. Mahomes started every game year 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Brady = Lance Armstrong, minus the contributions to cancer research. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Brady = Lance Armstrong, minus the contributions to cancer research. /end thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: /end thread Yep, the dumbest comment in the history of message boards clearly ends this thread and this debate. You guys are too funny (unintentionally, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: This was year 2 for him though and he was the backup when they went 0-2 before becoming the starter. Mahomes started every game year 2. Well they traded Alex Smith so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Brady is the best and whoever is second isnt even close. Joe knows what hes talking about. It is reasonable to call him the best, but to say he's far and away the best is just wrong. For you to be the best and for 2nd place to not even be close you have to have the playoff and statistical domination. He has playoff down, but not statistical. He holds NO single season or career records in any statistical categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: If that's the case any QB who didn't start year one would be in the running.. Mahomes comes to mind.. Kurt Warner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Brady is the best and whoever is second isnt even close. Joe knows what hes talking about. true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Brady = Lance Armstrong, minus the contributions to cancer research. A less likeable Barry Bonds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RutgersJetFan Posted June 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2019 He was suspended for cheating. His team was penalized twice for cheating. What exactly are we even discussing here? This is like dealing with Jon Jones fans. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: He was suspended for cheating. His team was penalized twice for cheating. What exactly are we even discussing here? This is like dealing with Jon Jones fans. Folks don’t get that. His franchise cheated at least on one occasion to steal a SB. He got suspended for cheating. That right there knocks him out of the GOAT discussion. Mans it’s too funny all the “and it’s not even close” nonsense like we’re comparing Johnny Unitas to Bubby Brister. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Folks don’t get that. His franchise cheated at least on one occasion to steal a SB. He got suspended for cheating. That right there knocks him out of the GOAT discussion. Mans it’s too funny all the “and it’s not even close” nonsense like we’re comparing Johnny Unitas to Bubby Brister. Stockholm syndrome is real among certain Jets fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, T0mShane said: A less likeable Barry Bonds. A slightly more likable Pol Pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: Well they traded Alex Smith so.... He started 16 games, they got rid of smooth because he was going to start. Brady was a backup until Bledsoe got hurt. The two situations are nothing alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Brady is better than Montana, in every way measurable. And I always thought that Montana was the best. I could care less how many SBs Brady lost, he has six rings. No one else comes close. Sucks, I hate everything about Brady and the Pats but... Dumb. Defense was a thing in Montana's era. Regardless, "greatness" implies many things, including playing the game with integrity and respect. Brady fails miserably in those areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Brady = Lance Armstrong, minus the contributions to cancer research. I also use the ARod comparison. What he did on the field is definitely clouded by cheating and just generally being a loser as a person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Folks don’t get that. His franchise cheated at least on one occasion to steal a SB. He got suspended for cheating. That right there knocks him out of the GOAT discussion. Mans it’s too funny all the “and it’s not even close” nonsense like we’re comparing Johnny Unitas to Bubby Brister. He turned a sad sack franchise into a model one, he turned a failed HC into what many say is the best of all time, he created a dynasty- the greatest dynasty of the SB era. You can whine about underinflated footballs all you want, that had no bearing on his dominance. He's the best of all time and it's not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, JetPotato said: Dumb. Defense was a thing in Montana's era. Regardless, "greatness" implies many things, including playing the game with integrity and respect. Brady fails miserably in those areas. Yeah, I guess Montana had integrity knowing his wrs were using stick em or that his coaches used the headset trick. All teams try to find ways to bend rules to gain an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, JetPotato said: I also use the ARod comparison. What he did on the field is definitely clouded by cheating and just generally being a loser as a person. Brady didn't use PEDs, that would be Peyton and his giant forehead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Grandy said: It is reasonable to call him the best, but to say he's far and away the best is just wrong. For you to be the best and for 2nd place to not even be close you have to have the playoff and statistical domination. He has playoff down, but not statistical. He holds NO single season or career records in any statistical categories. Many think Montana is #2, what records does he hold? Brady is the best and it's not even worthy of discussion. No one is anywhere near him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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