Jetsfan80 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Rather than try to rank the individual QB's in orders, I thought it would be more fun to go through each franchises' success....and failures...to determine which franchises have had the best and worst QB histories. Amazingly, the Jets aren't dead last on this list, which is also decent news I suppose. 1. Packers Biggest Successes: Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers Worst Failures: Rich Campbell, Jerry Tagge, Randy Wright, Babe Parilli Not a clear-cut choice for # 1, but pretty close. Transitioning from 3x MVP Brett Favre to the aloof but insanely talented Aaron Rodgers has given the Packer unprecedented continuity at the QB position for the past quarter century. Throw in the QB who won the first two Super Bowls, and that's an incredible trio. Meanwhile, Green Bay has done an excellent job of avoiding crippling draft busts or free agent mistakes at the position. 2. 49ers Biggest Successes: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Y.A. Tittle Worst Failures: Giovanni Carmazzi, Jim Druckenmiller It is only the Bill Walsh system that prevents the Niners from taking the # 1 spot from Green Bay. With Walsh basically re-inventing the game, he takes a little bit of the credit away from Montana and Young. Not to mention, the Niners have struggled to find their footing at the QB position for much of the last two decades. But that's splitting hairs. Montana and Young were two of the elite playoff QB's of all-time. Meanwhile, San Fran has only drafted one true first round bust in Druckenmiller. 3. Colts Biggest Successes: Peyton Manning, Johnny Unitas, Andrew Luck Worst Failures: Art Schlichter, Marty Domres, Greg Landry, Gary Cuozzo, Jeff George Talk about lucking into top-flight QB prospects. The Colts took Elway in '83, Peyton in '99 and Luck in '12. Arguable the 3 most hyped QB prospects of all-time who actually lived up to nearly all of it. Unfortunately, Elway never suited up for Indy. Nonetheless, the Manning/Luck recent combo plus Unitas is right up there with the Packer and 49er trio. They also avoided bad busts over their history; even '90 # 1 overall pick Jeff George at least had some moments. 4. Steelers Biggest Successes: Ben Roethlisberger, Terry Bradshaw, Bobby Layne Worst Failures: Mike Kruczek, Mark Malone It's hard to argue against 6 Super Bowl championships, which Bradshaw and Roethlisberger combined for. Yes, the Steel Curtain Defense deserves the majority of the credit for the great run in the 70's, which keeps Pittsburgh out of the top 3 on this list. 5. Cowboys Biggest Successes: Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Danny White, Don Meredith, Craig Morton Worst Failures: Quincy Carter, Brandon Weeden, Ryan Leaf, Drew Henson Though the Tony Romo era cannot truly be deemed a success and the Dak Prescott era is too young, there's an impressive list of QB's that came before those two, with a lot of championships between them. Meanwhile, the Cowboys don't really have a "bad bust" on their record; merely some ill-advised reliance on journeymen and mid-rounders. 6. Broncos Biggest Successes: John Elway, Peyton Manning, Craig Morton Worst Failures: Paxton Lynch, Tim Tebow, Tommy Maddox, Brock Osweiler, Mark Sanchez Despite a bevy of busts in recent years, Peyton's historic 55-TD season in 2013 and career-finishing Super Bowl title moved the Broncos up on this list. 3 Super Bowls between Elway and Peyton put them ahead of the rest of the pack. 7. Dolphins Biggest Successes: Dan Marino, Bob Griese Worst Failures: David Woodley, John Beck, Ryan Tannehill, Craig Erickson, Daunte Culpepper An undefeated season with Griese under center and a fantastic statistical career puts the Dolphins atop the AFC East teams, despite a few horrid busts over the years. 8. Eagles Biggest Successes: Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, Norm Van Brocklin, Ron Jaworski, Nick Foles Worst Failures: Sam Bradford, Kevin Kolb, Mark Sanchez, Mike Boryla Though it took a Nick Foles miracle run to finally get a Super Bowl win for Philly, its hard to argue that the QB position has been poor over the years. Quite the contrary, actually. Several of the success stories on the list are some of the more underrated QB's in the league's history. 9. Saints Biggest Successes: Drew Brees, Archie Manning, Bobby Hebert Worst Failures: Danny Wuerffel, Wade Wilson, Heath Shuler, Billy Joe Tolliver 10. Chargers Biggest Successes: Dan Fouts, Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees Worst Failures: Ryan Leaf Brees alone vaults the Saints and Chargers into the Top 10. The only thing preventing the Chargers from being higher is the worst QB bust of all time: Ryan Leaf. 11. Redskins Biggest Successes: Sammy Baugh, Joe Theismann, Sonny Jurgensen Worst Failures: Heath Shuler, Rex Grossman, Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Sanchez, D*ck Shiner 12. Raiders Biggest Successes: Ken Stabler, Jim Plunkett, Rich Gannon Worst Failures: JaMarcus Russell, Todd Marinovich, Andrew Walter, Matt Flynn 13. Giants Biggest Successes: Phil Simms, Eli Manning, Y.A. Tittle, Fran Tarkenton Worst Failures: Dave Brown, Daniel Jones, Geno Smith, Davis Webb Despite a long, storied history, the Giants find themselves outside of the Top 10 for exactly that reason: They really should have had more quality QB's than they have. 14. Bills Biggest Successes: Jim Kelly, Jack Kemp, Joe Ferguson Worst Failures: E.J. Manuel, J.P. Losman, Nathan Peterman, Brian Brohm 15. Vikings Biggest Successes: Fran Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Brett Favre, Tommy Kramer Worst Failures: Christian Ponder, Tarvaris Jackson, Gus Frerotte, Sam Bradford, Donovan McNabb 16. Titans/Oilers Biggest Successes: Steve McNair, Warren Moon Worst Failures: Vince Young, Jake Locker 17. Seahawks Biggest Successes: Russell Wilson, Dave Krieg, Matt Hasselbeck, Warren Moon Worst Failures: Rick Mirer, Dan McGwire, Charlie Whitehurst 18. Chiefs Biggest Successes: Len Dawson, Pat Mahomes, Trent Green Worst Failures: Todd Blackledge, Mike Elkins, Brodie Croyle, Steve Bono The Chiefs have had some embarrassing history when it comes to drafting QB's, dating back to taking Todd Blackledge # 7 overall in the Elway/Marino/Kelly '83 draft. But they''ve made up for it in a big way with the Mahomes selection. 19. Rams Biggest Successes: Kurt Warner, Roman Gabriel, Norm Van Brocklin Worst Failures: Sam Bradford, Chris Miller, Scott Covington 20. Bengals Biggest Successes: Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton Worst Failures: Akili Smith, Jack Thompson, David Klingler, AJ McCarron, Jay Schroeder 21. Browns Biggest Successes: Otto Graham, Bernie Kosar, Brian Sipe Worst Failures: Johnny Manziel, Brandon Weeden, Brady Quinn, Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Mike Phipps The Browns' QB history has been the butt of many jokes, and rightly so. But their more distant history at least provided some memories over the decades. 22. Falcons Biggest Successes: Matt Ryan, Steve Bartkowski Worst Failures: Doug Johnson, Tony Graziani, Chris Redman, Billy Joe Tolliver 23. Jets Biggest Successes: Joe Namath, Vinny Testaverde Worst Failures: Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith, Browning Nagle, Christian Hackenberg, Chad Pennington Quite a few busts over the years, but Namath winning the most important game of all-time and Vinny Testaverde putting together that incredibly 1998 season keep the Jets closer to the middle of the pack. Sam Darnold's bright future has to be taken into account as well. 24. Patriots Biggest Successes: Steve Grogan, Drew Bledsoe, Jim Plunkett Worst Failures: Marc Wilson, Tom Ramsey, Neil Graff, Scott Secules Tom Brady's legacy cannot be confirmed until years from now when we determine just how much the franchise had institutional cheating going on. Until then, they are judged based on the success of guys like Grogan, Bledsoe and Plunkett. 25. Cardinals Biggest Successes: Jim Hart, Kurt Warner, Carson Palmer, Neil Lomax Worst Failures: Matt Leinart, Kelly Stouffer, Kevin Kolb, Dave Brown, Sam Bradford 26. Ravens Biggest Successes: Joe Flacco, Steve McNair, Vinny Testaverde Worst Failures: Kyle Boller, Eric Zeier, Stoney Case, Anthony Wright 27. Jaguars Biggest Successes: Mark Brunell, David Garrard Worst Failures: Byron Leftwich, Blake Bortles, Blaine Gabbert, Rob Johnson 28. Panthers Biggest Successes: Cam Newton, Jake Delhomme, Steve Beuerlein Worst Failures: Jimmy Clausen, Chris Weinke 29. Texans Biggest Successes: DeShaun Watson Worst Failures: David Carr, Brock Osweiler, Tom Savage The Jaguars, Panthers and Texans get a bit of a pass here for being the youngest franchises of the group. Thus they were prevented from filling in the bottom 3 slots on the list. 30. Bears Biggest Successes: Sid Luckman, Jim McMahon, George Blanda Worst Failures: Cade McNown, Craig Krenzel, Jimmy Clausen, Mark Sanchez, Caleb Hanie, Rick Mirer, Matt Barkley Sid Luckman still holds many Bears QB records. And he does so primarily because of the franchise's awful history of QB's over the years. 31. Lions Biggest Successes: Bobby Layne, Matthew Stafford, Greg Landry Worst Failures: Joey Harrington, Andre Ware, Stoney Case, Ty Detmer, Dan Orlovsky, Mike McMahon It's hard to put the Lions any higher than this, given that Matthew Stafford has lacked postseason success of any kind. At least Jay Cutler won a playoff game for the Bears in 2010. 32. Buccaneers Biggest Successes: Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Jeff Garcia Worst Failures: Josh Freeman, Shaun King, Chris Simms The worst of the worst: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. While Josh Freeman is their only 1st round bust, they don't have really any success to brag about in their franchise's history. The 2002 Super Bowl team with Brad Johnson under center was completely carried by their defense. And they haven't found any success at QB since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Pennington as a failure? That's definitely news man. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, Grandy said: Pennington as a failure? That's definitely news man. @CTM @Bleedin Green 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Jets at 20.... hmm. No mention of Romo for Cowboys. Not very scientific my friend but interesting read..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigalbarracuda Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Stupid... Brady's legacy can't be confirmed but Matt Ryan counts for the Falcons? Weak. Also, say what you want about Pennington but "worst failures" is ridiculous. Daniel Jones as a worst failure is absurd as well... maybe not a #6 pick but the kid hasn't even thrown a pass yet. On that note, thanks for sharing... still fun to read through haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Grandy said: Pennington as a failure? That's definitely news man. Yes I'm certain it is if you've been living under a rock for the entirety of modern NFL history 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 If you are going to put Foles as a Eagles success. Then you should put Williams as a Redskins success 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Richard Todd, Ken O'Brian, deserve the plus list. At least O'Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, bigalbarracuda said: Stupid... Brady's legacy can't be confirmed but Matt Ryan counts for the Falcons? Weak. Also, say what you want about Pennington but "worst failures" is ridiculous. Daniel Jones as a worst failure is absurd as well... maybe not a #6 pick but the kid hasn't even thrown a pass yet. On that note, thanks for sharing... still fun to read through haha Everything you said and.... I realized this was a swing and a miss with the Daniel Jones shot, and no Jim Zorn with the Seahawks. Conerly for the Giants was a thing, look him up ‘80. Very funny joke rating the Jets that high. Made me laugh, and almost saved what is a Meh list made by a guy who started watching football about 25 years ago... 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: Everything you said and.... I realized this was a miss with the Daniel Jones thing, and no Jim Zorn with the Seahawks. Conerly for the Giants was a thing, maybe he never heard of him either. Very funny joke rating the Jets that high. Made me laugh, and almost saved what is a Meh list made by a guy who started watching football in the mid 80’s? He was born in 86. I was,21 and watching Jane's Addiction from 5 feet away in LA, about once a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hackenberg said: He was born in 86. I was,21 and watching Jane's Addiction from 5 feet away in LA, about once a month Then I made a great edit, changing the last sentence to “25 years ago”. His list kinda dated him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Giants, Ed Danowski, 1934-39 Giants are higher than 13. Like top 3,4,5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Daniel Jones as a Giants failure before the kid even takes a snap is frickin gold 😂🤣 well done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deucebag Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, A.J. said: Daniel Jones as a Giants failure before the kid even takes a snap is frickin gold 😂🤣 well done. Dave Brown was an epic bust for the Giants, he barely played a down for Arizona. Now he's one of the wealthiest residents of Westfield NJ thanks to his rich daddy paving his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Insane to list Daniel Jones. O’Brien needs to be in the Jets List. Jim Zorn needs to be on the Seahawks list. Though they never made the playoff’s in their early years, he was an icon there. I still think of him and wild scrambles when someone mentions the Seahawks. Watson still has done nothing yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Sorry to the elderly crowd that I neglected some names. Obviously post-Merger football gets added weight for these purposes. And yes, if it wasn’t clear I was trolling a bit with the inclusion of Daniel Jones and compete exclusion of Tom Brady...I don’t know what to tell you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Sorry to the elderly crowd that I neglected some names. Obviously post-Merger football gets added weight for these purposes. And yes, if it wasn’t clear I was trolling a bit with the inclusion of Daniel Jones and compete exclusion of Tom Brady...I don’t know what to tell you! ...you forgot John Brodie, on the 49ers. 1957-73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPPT1974 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Surprised that Patriots are low and Brady's name is not mentioned. Oh well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolchak Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I feel Kerry Collins needs a spot somewhere here. He did after all lead the Giants to my favorite Super Bowl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 9:34 PM, Hackenberg said: Giants, Ed Danowski, 1934-39 Giants are higher than 13. Like top 3,4,5 and don't forget Charlie Connerly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kolchak said: I feel Kerry Collins needs a spot somewhere here. He did after all lead the Giants to my favorite Super Bowl! 2 winning seasons out of 5, 35-33 record. So probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Packers #1 qb is Bart Starr. 5 championships, 3 of them in a row. Hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Institutional cheating. This guy gets it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, peebag said: and don't forget Charlie Connerly Yes, 57-31-1 record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, peebag said: Packers #1 qb is Bart Starr. 5 championships, 3 of them in a row. Hands down. Hands anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Chad Pennington was not a failure. Ken O’Brien should be on the success side. I get it, he’s not Marino but who else is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolchak Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Hackenberg said: 2 winning seasons out of 5, 35-33 record. So probably not. I mostly wanted to mention a SB where the Giants got drilled. Plus, Carolina's first draft pick ever. If David Carr makes the list, seem KC needs a spot too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, peebag said: Packers #1 qb is Bart Starr. 5 championships, 3 of them in a row. Hands down. And didn’t cheat or play for a franchise that wasn’t systematically cheating. And played in an offensive era designed for defense. Of course pre-free agency but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I would have definitely listed Vick on AtL successes. He didnt. 38-28-1 Beat Favre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 How is Neil Lomax not listed as a success for the Cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Agree with some here, Jim Zorn needs to be listed for Seahawks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 He wasn’t very good but he won a SB. Trent Dilfer. Even though it was mostly defense he should get some credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 10:34 PM, Hackenberg said: Giants, Ed Danowski, 1934-39 Good lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: How is Neil Lomax not listed as a success for the Cards. Just because a guy isn't on the "Biggest Successes" list doesn't mean he wasn't relatively successful. I had to put a cutoff point somewhere lest I list off 30+ different QB's for each franchise. Really I was just mostly trolling with this list to get people to react to Pennington and Daniel Jones being failures and Brady not mentioned. But it was a fun exercise nonetheless. Also this helped "out" the eldest amongst us. So that was fun too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 52 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just because a guy isn't on the "Biggest Successes" list doesn't mean he wasn't relatively successful. I had to put a cutoff point somewhere lest I list off 30+ different QB's for each franchise. Really I was just mostly trolling with this list to get people to react to Pennington and Daniel Jones being failures and Brady not mentioned. But it was a fun exercise nonetheless. Also this helped "out" the eldest amongst us. So that was fun too. I apologize, I thought that was an article and didn’t realize you wrote it. Having said that, well done young man. Very good attempt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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