Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Gase will have no issues w/ williams because he doesnt go near the defensive side of the ball. He and williams will be great as gase will let him run the entire show. Gase being some kind of offensive genius is a narrative that has yet to be proven true. He was great in denver, average in chicago and awful in miami. No one has any clue what this guy will bring to the table offensively. The good thing is we will know in 2 months. Other than you still refuse to look at his time in Miami without a QB most of the time, right. Still at it. Still refuse to even mention that the offensive genius tag was his work winning with Tebow, his work in Denver, with Manning, with Chicago. And then how do you know he has nothing to do with the defense? All the videos we saw from camps he was coaching with Adams, Williams, Mosley and others. But please, carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: Yes, he's a QB whisperer. That's why Ryan Tannehill was an MVP candidate while Gase was in Miami. Because anyone would expect a QB who missed chunks of time in season or a season should be expected to be a MVP candidate. Right? Making the playoffs with Matt Moore and going to the end of the season fighting for a playoff spot with the horrendous Osweiler isn't all that impressive either. Maybe you get lucky and he fails here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 Well there goes the civility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: A "QB Whisperer", he has not proven to be. only guy i'd ever call a QB whisperer is one coach, one time, with one guy. Gruden/Gannon sprinkle in 2 HOF Wrs and... MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Maybe you get lucky and he fails here. Is there a reason you think I want gase to fail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Other than you still refuse to look at his time in Miami without a QB most of the time, right. Still at it. Still refuse to even mention that the offensive genius tag was his work winning with Tebow, his work in Denver, with Manning, with Chicago. And then how do you know he has nothing to do with the defense? All the videos we saw from camps he was coaching with Adams, Williams, Mosley and others. But please, carry on He didnt do anything special w/ tebow. He instaaled a college offense because thats all tebow could do. Someone just did this in baltimore w/ lamar jackson. Is he a genius too? Gase had the 18th ranked offense in chicago. Im no math wizard but that below average. Listen, we all hope gase will be good here, but hes far from a sure thing or any type of “genius”. Only idiot jet fans believe this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 hours ago, BettyBoop said: All fair points Joe. I hope you're right about your first point. Can't really disagree with your second point but I'm trying to be optimistic. Gase has a more talented QB than he has ever had. Including the aging Peyton 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: He didnt do anything special w/ tebow. He instaaled a college offense because thats all tebow could do. Someone just did this in baltimore w/ lamar jackson. Is he a genius too? Gase had the 18th ranked offense in chicago. Im no math wizard but that below average. Listen, we all hope gase will be good here, but hes far from a sure thing or any type of “genius”. Only idiot jet fans believe this. I know. Other than go to the playoffs with the worst QB I've ever seen. Not only get there, throw for over 300 yards to beat the Steelers. How did Tebow do with others? Of course you left out Denver's record setting offense, Manning's all time best season etc. Or what Manning and pretty much everyone says about Gase, his offensive abilities. Manning's love of the guys offensive abilities. Who did he have on that team in Chicago? Doesn't matter, we're judging everything, disputing his rep because you read a start sheet. The only idiots at work are the ones who just can't wait until he coaches a game first than to just give the same tired rant over and over again. Doesnt it get tiring after 6-7 months to just run to every thread that had Gases name in it and tell everyone that their optimism is ill placed and he really has never done anything, anywhere? Now we're onto Darnold. Here's proven nothing so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, jack48 said: Gase has a more talented QB than he has ever had. Including the aging Peyton Again, we hope this is true but sam darnold has done nothing in this league. He could be sam bradford or tom brady. We will find out in 2 months. Stay tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, jack48 said: Gase has a more talented QB than he has ever had. Including the aging Peyton The off-season is great. C'mon man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: The off-season is great. C'mon man You cant argue w/ the idiot jet fan. To them we have bill walsh as head coach and 55 td peyton manning at qb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: You cant argue w/ the idiot jet fan. To them we have bill walsh as head coach and 55 td peyton manning at qb. Who was the guy designing the offense for the 55 td Manning? How many other times did he throw 55? Or for the 5500 or so yards he there? Yup, I'm the idiot. You're the smart one who repeats the same stupid story over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article222632535.html ...with Gase as his coach: a 13-8 record, 67 percent completion percentage and a 97.6 passer rating. For perspective, only three active quarterbacks have career passer ratings higher than that 97.6: Rodgers at 103.4, Wilson at 100.5 and Brees at 97.8. Brady’s career passer rating (97.6) is identical to Tannehill’s passer rating when Gase is his coach. So if we’re going to buy into what you said here, and he’s as good as Rodgers, Wilson and Brees, why didn’t we just sign Tannehill? Why waste a season with Darnold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Who was the guy designing the offense for the 55 td Manning? How many other times did he throw 55? Or for the 5500 or so yards he there? Yup, I'm the idiot. You're the smart one who repeats the same stupid story over and over again. U know very well peyton manning calls the plays he wants. Stop acting like gase was doing any different then tom moore and the other OCs manning had. Manning runs the show, not the oc. The game changed thats y he threw 55 that year. It wasnt gase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 hours ago, 14 in Green said: So if we’re going to buy into what you said here, and he’s as good as Rodgers, Wilson and Brees, why didn’t we just sign Tannehill? Why waste a season with Darnold? Oy vey 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Its funny how the biggest Darnold bashers have congealed here at the end of the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: U know very well peyton manning calls the plays he wants. Stop acting like gase was doing any different then tom moore and the other OCs manning had. Manning runs the show, not the oc. The game changed thats y he threw 55 that year. It wasnt gase. And Peyton designed the offense. He implements the offense. He designes the game plan. oh, yeah, he audibles, sometimes. And you actually believe the game changed during his greatest season. Just that year. That's when all the offensive changes took place. Lol, really? You actually wrote this drivel and believe it? How come Brady or Rodgers or Brees didn't top his td and yardage numbers? Or others. Why didn't Manning keep it up after Gase left if it was all due to Manning? Or rule changes? Explain that little glitch to your theory. If you actually believe any of this, you don't have a clue about NFL offenses, how they've designed, implemented and games are planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 8 hours ago, 14 in Green said: So if we’re going to buy into what you said here, and he’s as good as Rodgers, Wilson and Brees, why didn’t we just sign Tannehill? Why waste a season with Darnold? Little annoying things like he hasn't been healthy for 4 years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: U know very well peyton manning calls the plays he wants. Stop acting like gase was doing any different then tom moore and the other OCs manning had. Manning runs the show, not the oc. The game changed thats y he threw 55 that year. It wasnt gase. If true you have to wonder why Peyton is such a big Gase fan?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 It could go either way. Statistically Gase was actually more conservative and threw more failed completions (the compiler stat where you throw for 5 yards on 3rd and 9, 3 on 3rd and 6, etc...) than our offenses under Bowles. However I saw a video about the Miami offense that showed that players were were open all over the place in Gase's offense but that the QBs were just plain awful and never recognized it and threw to them, taking check down after check down. I am definitely in "prove it" mode with Gase and also "show me" with his offensive strategy and planning, but there is no question our overall staff is WAY better and that has to help as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: If true you have to wonder why Peyton is such a big Gase fan?? Because its not true. We're so used to QBs reciting the plays that come over their headsets that we're at a point when someone like a Peyton Manning does something as crazy as calls audibles at the line that we worship the guy like hes some kind of genius. Namath and every other QB of his day did it, now you need to be a MENSA member to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Because its not true. We're so used to QBs reciting the plays that come over their headsets that we're at a point when someone like a Peyton Manning does something as crazy as calls audibles at the line that we worship the guy like hes some kind of genius. Namath and every other QB of his day did it, now you need to be a MENSA member to do it. Marino never listened to his OCs. Thank God Shula forgot how to build and call Defense when he had him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Because its not true. We're so used to QBs reciting the plays that come over their headsets that we're at a point when someone like a Peyton Manning does something as crazy as calls audibles at the line that we worship the guy like hes some kind of genius. Namath and every other QB of his day did it, now you need to be a MENSA member to do it. +1 I'm sure QB's like Brady,Bree's ,River's,Rogers etc have a clue what they are doing as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, Savage69 said: +1 I'm sure QB's like Brady,Bree's ,River's,Rogers etc have a clue what they are doing as well.. Of course they do. When people talk about Manning its like you need to be a astrophysicist to call football plays. Dumb grunts did it and did it well for years, now its cause to be called a genius. Friggen Bradshaw, the poster boy for stupid QBs called his offense and did it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 54 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Marino never listened to his OCs. Thank God Shula forgot how to build and call Defense when he had him. Marino with a defense and with a RB would have been scary to face. He was one hell of a QB and passer. Best I ever watched 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Marino with a defense and with a RB would have been scary to face. He was one hell of a QB and passer. Best I ever watched Imagine him with Toon,Walker and Shular with Freeman,Hector and the Sack Exchange D.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Imagine him with Toon,Walker and Shular with Freeman,Hector and the Sack Exchange D.. Those were fun days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Savage69 said: Imagine him with Toon,Walker and Shular with Freeman,Hector and the Sack Exchange D.. I can. That would make for one hell of a team. Especially if Shula came with Marino. Trying hard to convince myself that Walton would have got them to the dance and won. No matter how good the team was talent wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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