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The offensive line remains the Jets’ biggest question mark on offense heading into training camp.

That was the case this time last year, long before Frank Pollack was hired to Adam Gase’s staff. Pollack is one of the better offensive line coaches around the NFL, but he was not retained by new head coach Zac Taylor after one season in Cincinnati.In Dallas from 2013-17,Pollack helped oversee one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.Now, he has to deal with an offensive line that’s certainly in need of a renovation.“Like every team I’ve been with, it’s a work in progress. There’s a lot to get better at,” Pollack told the team website. “The guys are working really hard, we’re right where we need to be as far as that’s concerned. We’re continuing to master Coach Gase’s offense and increase our ability to work on our fundamentals and techniques that I’m teaching.”

Throughout OTAs and minicamp, Pollack has been able to see the group that he has in front of him against a talented defensive front. However, once they are finally able to put pads on and start training camp, he will be able to see who belongs on his starting unit.“You can see movement skills, you can see how they learn and how they work,” Pollack said. “You get a good feel for all of that stuff, but at the end of the day, once you put the pads on, it really separates the men from the boys, if you will. You get excited about guys’ movement skills, but a lot of guys go away when you put the pads on and a lot of guys rise to the occasion when you put the pads on. You get a good feel for them and how they work in the classroom, understanding the offensive processing. But pads are definitely the most important aspect of that.”

New York did very little to bolster what’s been a consistent position of need for several years now. Previous regimes have done a reckless job of replacing former All-Pro tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson and former All-Pro center Nick Mangold.Before being shown the door, Mike Maccagnan traded for All-Pro guard Kelechi Osemele, drafted Chuma Edoga and signed Tom Compton and Jonotthan Harrison as depth pieces. But, he stopped there. The Jets are returning three starters who were inconsistent for two consecutive seasons, as well as ignoring the center position in free agency and going with a career backup in Harrison.With Joe Douglas now in charge, finding offensive line help will be the top priority. He started 45 games at tackle for the University of Richmond during his playing career. The Philadelphia Eagles have one of the strongest offensive lines in the NFL, so the Jets new general manager knows that the key to a Super Bowl run is to build a competent offensive line around a young quarterback.

Gang Green has to make do with what it has at the position right now. There is a large veteran presence, but the unit still has a long way to go.

>     https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/15/jets-frank-pollack-offensive-line/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero

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Nothing surprising but a solid post nonetheless.  I think the best to hope for in '19 is for Chuma to find a home somewhere on the OL even if it's at guard to take Brian Winters job.  Cutting Winters in '20 would be a $7.5mm cap savings and improved play.  Another hope is that Shell comes back and holds down the RT job well for the foreseeable future.  Of course, Harrison is the biggest IF and the only hope is that Douglas can find a veteran backup.  It's clear Douglas will need to invest considerable resources on the OL in 2020 as he needs to find a young LT of the future as well as a center unless Harrison shocks us all.

In the interim Gase and Pollack will need to scheme around the deficiencies so expect a short passing game mixed in with the occasional long ball.

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55 minutes ago, BettyBoop said:

I think the best to hope for in '19 is for Chuma to find a home somewhere on the OL even if it's at guard to take Brian Winters job.  Cutting Winters in '20 would be a $7.5mm cap savings and improved play.  Another hope is that Shell comes back and holds down the RT job well for the foreseeable future.

Good news would be for Winters to preform well this year and keep his job. Realistically Tom Compton will be playing RG after our week 4 bye or when the schedule softens after week 7. 

Chuma is an above average pass blocker and below average run blocker. Basically fits right in lol.

I see him being a potential starter at LT in 2020 depending on how his camps go. I can also see him playing limited time at RT this year as depth behind Shell who is coming off a major knee surgery. 

Next year expect to have 4 potential new starters on the line, it would be a surprise if Beachum, Shell, Harrison, or Winters played any better then a fill in role this year. 

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6 minutes ago, Rsherman28 said:

Good news would be for Winters to preform well this year

expecting him to do what he has never done in his career sounds like a losing proposition...

 

however, miracles DO occur...    just rarely

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6 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

expecting him to do what he has never done in his career sounds like a losing proposition...

 

however, miracles DO occur...    just rarely

are you trying to say it would be a Winter miracle ... 

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It should be interesting to see what a new coaching staff can do with the O-line and the offense and defense as a whole. It just seemed like such a cluster of ineptitude the last few years with our coaching staff. Player utilization, schemes and some infusion of new blood on both sides of the ball may surprise Jet fans....I’m hoping.

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2 hours ago, Rsherman28 said:

are you trying to say it would be a Winter miracle ... 

Winter is coming! 😉

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21 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

It should be interesting to see what a new coaching staff can do with the O-line and the offense and defense as a whole. It just seemed like such a cluster of ineptitude the last few years with our coaching staff. Player utilization, schemes and some infusion of new blood on both sides of the ball may surprise Jet fans....I’m hoping.

Frank Pollack has seen some talented OL work while beings the offensive line coach in Dallas. 

We have lacked creative offensive play calling since we had a small hint of it with Brian Schottenheimer who was not even that great IMO. 

The defense has not been the same since having a fire head coach/DC type like we saw in Rex. 

Excitement for new coaching is an understatement lol 

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20 hours ago, Losmeister said:

expecting him to do what he has never done in his career sounds like a losing proposition...

however, miracles DO occur...    just rarely

..confidence   ;)

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Rich Cimini          ESPN Staff Writer 

The Jets' offensive-line depth, already suspect, took a hit Sunday as Brent Qvale was carted off with a potentially serious knee injury. He will have tests. Adam Gase said it doesn't look promising. Le'Veon Bell missed some time with leg cramps.

>    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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It would seem you couldn't ask for two more gentle men to fill the guard positions on your offensive line than Kelechi Osemele and Brian Winters.

Osemele, who arrived via trade from Oakland this offseason, has the warm smile and well-modulated speaking voice of a DJ or radio talk show host. "When you talk to him," said head coach Adam Gase, "you're kind of like, 'Wow, that's a really nice guy.' "And Winters, one of the longest tenured Jets on this year's training camp roster, has a new soft spot in his heart for his just-born son, Nash.

"It's a blessing, it's exciting, but it's rough," he said with a tired daddy's smile after Monday's practice, adding, "Just the love that you have for someone, I never thought it could be so high, you know?"But put those two guys on either side of center Jonotthan Harrison, blow the whistle and watch out. We'll let Gase describe the mayhem, starting with Osemele, whom he encountered when his Dolphins met the Raiders in 2018.

"Going against him last year, I noticed him because of the physicality he played with. He plays all the way through the whistle, sometimes a little past it — he got one of our guys ejected last year," the coach said. "When he gets between the white lines, he's a different guy. He's violent, he's physical, he brings attitude."I think he and Brian, I don't know if I've been around two guards that have that kind of mentality where they're looking to be violent, aggressive coming off the ball, and really stroking defensive tackles when they get the opportunity."Needless to say, playing guard is about more than just getting physical. Left guard Osemele said one important part of his job, syncing up with Harrison, has been going well this first week of camp.

"We've got good chemistry," he said. "We're talking to each other, spending a lot of time together. That's a good thing about training camp, the camaraderie, getting to know each other. And I'm starting to learn more about what we want on double teams and combos, things like that."And Winters, healthy in coming off the first 16-start season of his six seasons as the Jets' right guard, said jelling on the line isn't quite the same process when veterans are in the mix, such as the Jets with eighth-year LT Kelvin Beachum and fourth-year RT Brandon Shell on the starting unit."Kelechi's played a lot of ball and he knows how to mesh with a lot of people," Winters said. "It's different if you have a young group that doesn't have as many reps or as many games under their belts. But we all come here and we know it's a job, we know what we've got to do, and we work together."

Whether that's as a five-man unit or a tag team.

>    https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/winters-osemele-jets-guardians-of-the-physicality

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The Jets are in the market for a backup offensive tackle after the injury to Brent Qvale.

According to ProFootballTalk, free agent offensive tackle Sam Young is visited with the Jets. Young has prior history with Jets head coach Adam Gase, as he was with the Dolphins when Gase was the head coach.Young has been in the NFL for 10 seasons now. He was a sixth-round pick by the Cowboys in 2010 out of Notre Dame. However, he didn’t make their team and then signed on with the Bills for three seasons. The Jaguars picked Young up in 2013 and he spent three years there before going to Miami in 2016. In his career, he has appeared in 88 games and has made 21 starts.

The Jets could use some depth on an offensive line that doesn’t have a lot of talent on it. Behind Kelvin Beachum and Brandon Shell at offensive tackle, the Jets only have a couple more backups, most of which are inexperienced. That includes Chuma Edoga, Calvin Anderson and Eric Smith.Young has plenty of experience in the league and he’s a serviceable offensive tackle in case Beachum or Shell gets hurt this season.

>    https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/31/free-agent-ot-sam-young-visits-jets/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero

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Rich Cimini    ESPN Staff Writer 

Two quick thoughts on the Jets' addition of former Panthers C Ryan Kalil (pending a physical): 1.) Big picture: Douglas will be a proactive GM, not reactive. He saw a weakness on the offensive line and made a bold move to address it — his first splashy move. The offensive line is his specialty (he's a former college OLM), so you have to trust his eyes. 2.) This is huge for Sam Darnold, a young QB who needs an experienced center. Current C Jonotthan Harrison is athletic, but he hasn't played a lot in the pivot. If healthy, Kalil will be their best center since Nick Mangold. He can read defenses and make blocking adjustments, reducing the burden on Darnold. He will take his physical tomorrow and could practice Saturday.

>    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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I think it's still sort of a question mark... It's more promising than it was a week ago!... And I wouldn't be surprised if another move was made.

But I think as built right now they're a... Lets say top 12 unit? We can work with that! 

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I wouldn't discount the improved play calling improving the OL.  Also, I'm hoping that Kalil mentors Harrision the way McCown mentored Darnold.

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Its better.  Is it a top OL? Of course not but Sam doesn't need that, he just needs its to be pretty good and give him time.  Osemele and Kalil bring a lot of leadership., we have more depth.  Also don't forget Wesco is a very good blocker TE which should help.  I expect next years draft Douglas will address in the online in the first 3 rounds.  Supposedly its heavy in OL and WR so I expect two of our first 3 picks to be the OL

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1 hour ago, BettyBoop said:

I wouldn't discount the improved play calling improving the OL.  Also, I'm hoping that Kalil mentors Harrision the way McCown mentored Darnold.

I think the better hope is Toth, Harrison has been around awhile now and he might be what he is, a back up

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Rich Cimini     ESPN Staff Writer 

New C Ryan Kalil won't practice tomorrow and it may be a few days before he's on the field. Adam Gase said they will bring him along slowly. Conditioning will be a big issue for Kalil, 34, who came out of retirement. Gase said he's "fired up" to have Kalil. Sam Darnold (pictured) echoed that sentiment, saying he has heard "great things" about Kalil from friends who reached out. They both attended USC, 11 years apart. Darnold said Kalil will be a big help in the film room and on the field. "There's so many things such a vet center can do," he said.

>    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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Edoga may end up Replacing Beachum as our LT in the future imo.

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Rich Cimini     ESPN Staff Writer 

Newly-signed Jets C Ryan Kalil is wearing a jersey (No. 55), but he's not practicing. He's off to the side, working in the trainer's area. They're not rushing him as he gets in shape.

>    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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The signing of Ryan Kalil comes with many benefits, but one big one isn’t even directly associated with his ability at center.

One of the biggest concerns for the Jets heading into the 2019 season was the team’s offensive line, especially the depth behind the starters. Now that Kalil will start at center, it moves the versatile Jonotthan Harrison to a backup role where he can fill in at multiple positions if needed.Harrison may not have been the best choice as a starter, but he’s been more than capable when called upon in the past as a backup. He’s started 32 games over his career at both center and left guard, including eight for the Jets in 2018. Harrison took over for Spencer Long after a horrific half-season in New York and actually outperformed the original starter. He isn’t better than Kalil but he’s good enough to start in a pinch like he did this past season.

Much of the offensive line is stabilized with Kalil entrenched at center, Kelechi Osemele at left guard, and incumbent starters Brian Winters and Kelvin Beachum at right guard and left tackle, respectively. But they all also have injury histories, so having a solid bench is crucial for consistency on the line in a new offense.There is already a huge question as to who will start at right tackle with both Brandon Shell and Brent Qvale uncertain for Week 1 after suffering knee injuries. Free agent acquisition Tom Compton was the only other capable backup on the Jets with 14 starts in 2018, but now Harrison gives the Jets another competent backup with starter potential.

Offensive line depth is an underrated strength for a team, and the Jets have been burned by bad or injured lines in the past. The Jets don’t have the best protection in the league and certainly not the best depth, but the addition of Kalil helps in both areas.

>     https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/05/ryan-kalil-gives-jets-actual-offensive-line-depth-off-bench/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=home-hero

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Rich Cimini     ESPN Staff Writer 

GM Joe Douglas, a former college offensive lineman, is staying true to his roots with two OL additions in a span of four days. First, C Ryan Kalil, now G Alex Lewis. The decision to trade a draft pick (conditional seventh in 2020) is curious because Lewis was on the verge of being released by the Ravens. Silver lining: the Jets had an extra pick in 2020 (a sixth rounder for Darron Lee). Injuries are the issue for Lewis, who has played in only 18 of 48 games. He had been on PUP with a shoulder injury. If healthy, he'll provide depth. On Monday, their No. 2 OL was (l to r) Eric Smith, Ben Braden, Tom Compton, Jordan Morgan and Chuma Edoga. Only Compton has NFL game experience.

>    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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Rich Cimini     ESPN Staff Writer 

The Jets' offensive line is a mess. RT Brandon Shell (knee) was a last-minute scratch, meaning four backups started against the Falcons. Shell hasn't missed any practice time, but he did have knee surgery in the offseason. RG Brian Winters (shoulder) and LG Kelechi Osemele (pec) sat out with injuries. Recently signed C Ryan Kalil should be practicing soon. Chemistry has to be a concern.

>    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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Rich Cimini     ESPN Staff Writer 

C Ryan Kalil, who signed Aug. 1, made his practice debut Sunday night before a few thousand fans at MetLife Stadium. Kalil, who worked with the starters, had a couple of bad shotgun snaps. Kalil admitted he's not in football shape and still has a lot to learn about the terminology.

>    https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets

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