BettyBoop Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Here's another intriguing and plausible scenario...the Giants play Eli for 10 games and Jones for six, they both stink and they end up with the first or second pick. Do THEY take another QB with a top pick? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, BettyBoop said: Here's another intriguing and plausible scenario...the Giants play Eli for 10 games and Jones for six, they both stink and they end up with the first or second pick. Do THEY take another QB with a top pick? And then we sign Jones to our practice squad and we have BOTH Giant franchise QBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: And why not? Pat Mahomes was going in the last three rounds in a lot of fantasy leagues last year. Murray may not go much higher. And his running ability gives you a nice floor. There's really no reason to draft a QB high anymore, so loading up on backs and receivers and making Murray your QB or one of 2 QB's on your team makes a lot of sense, depending on how late you can get him. Some are saying he can run for 1000 yards his rookie year. It would be nuts. I am tageting him in the 10 round. Yeah I'm with you on QB late. Honestly I just don't think he will drop further than that. And in the 10th it's all just sleepers anyway. Ill still draft another QB in the 13 whoever is left. I think the point is that he could really suck bad and be worthless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jet Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Tebow outside of one year was a bust. He owes Gase. L Jackson as a QB has proven he can run and will get hurt. Murray a year earlier is a day 2 pick, behind all 5 first round picked. It's only because there were no real options, especially with this HC, that he went 1st, doesn't make him anything at this point. Not being great or whatever at number 1 overall is a bust When he was drafted in the MLB ninth overall by the Athletics, it was because it was considered he was a day 3 pick in the NFL, if at all. The Athletics never figured on Murray having the season he did when they drafted him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 17 hours ago, BettyBoop said: Here's another intriguing and plausible scenario...the Giants play Eli for 10 games and Jones for six, they both stink and they end up with the first or second pick. Do THEY take another QB with a top pick? I thought the giants really botched their draft they could have had both Oliver and Sweat and then traded for Rosen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 21 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: You know people have been trying to convince me to draft him in fantasy football haha Offensive line is going to get him killed David Johnson might still have a bounce back year he will be catching a lot of passes out of the backfield on third and long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Bump. So far, so good. Targeting Murray as my fantasy QB this year based on ADP. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037736/article/nfl-training-camp-winnerslosers-seven-rookies-creating-a-buzz Quote Kyler Murray, quarterback, Arizona Cardinals: Cardinals fans should not feel guilty about the giddiness that these Larry Fitzgerald quotes on Murray inspire: "I've never seen a quarterback come in so quickly and be able to command an offense," Fitzgerald told Kurt Warner on "Inside Training Camp Live" Sunday. "I mean, from Day 1, he's out there checking the different plays, sliding the line, different protections, getting us in screens when blitzes are coming. His understanding of the offense is crazy." Granted, Fitz hasn't played with any good young QB's in the NFL to date. Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer arrived to Arizona as seasoned veterans, and the rest of his QB's (Leinart, Max Hall, Kolb, Ryan Lindley, Skelton, Stanton, Gabbert, Rosen) sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 If he can stay healthy, Murray is going to be what Mike Vick should have been. He's got the mental makeup that Vick should have had coming into the league with the physical ability to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I’m hoping he gets the sh*t knocked outta him. He’s cocky little sh*t, I’ve disliked him from the pre-draft stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 He went from a day day two at best pick to number one pick to the second coming of Mahomes? LOL Amazing what happens when youre in a draft without QBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: He went from a day day two at best pick to number one pick to the second coming of Mahomes? LOL Amazing what happens when youre in a draft without QBs He was a day two pick when he had signed a baseball contract... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 If you get even odds it's always wise to bet on a QB busting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, nico002 said: He was a day two pick when he had signed a baseball contract... If he was in the Darnold draft he would have been day two or worse behind the five that went in the first. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Bump. So far, so good. Targeting Murray as my fantasy QB this year based on ADP. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037736/article/nfl-training-camp-winnerslosers-seven-rookies-creating-a-buzz Granted, Fitz hasn't played with any good young QB's in the NFL to date. Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer arrived to Arizona as seasoned veterans, and the rest of his QB's (Leinart, Max Hall, Kolb, Ryan Lindley, Skelton, Stanton, Gabbert, Rosen) sucked. I just get the feeling that if Fitz gets a good young QB and and a good offensive system, he will just will himself to stay a productive WR for 4 or 5 more years. Possibly my favorite non-Jet. Represents all that is good about football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Murray and lamar jackson will change the course of the nfl this year. A few years down the road, 50% of teams will have a smaller, running qb and 50% your classic pocket guy. The nfl will never be the same again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Murray and lamar jackson will change the course of the nfl this year. A few years down the road, 50% of teams will have a smaller, running qb and 50% your classic pocket guy. The nfl will never be the same again. Murray is a far better passer than Lamar Jackson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 7/15/2019 at 12:47 PM, Drums said: I think the coach has a good chance of busting agree and I think they are linked, you don't have a fire sale with a potential FQB and #10 pick after a year and not risk a major implosion - this is the next decade wager for the Cards They will get a couple of years since there really is not much of an option - glad I am not a Cards fan, but hey it will be interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 17 hours ago, jgb said: If you get even odds it's always wise to bet on a QB busting. That's why you have to look at the evidence available. The only things working against Murray are his lack of size (injury risk) + his current Offensive Line in AZ (which may not be nearly as bad this year, and will look a lot better paired with Murray as opposed to pocket statue Josh Rosen). He checks all the boxes, plus has a coach who fits him like a glove. I like his chances to be at least an average starter until the "if/when" he gets hurt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Murray's been impressing in practice, and now impresses in his first NFL action. Not too shabby. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001040307/article/cardinals-kyler-murray-delivers-in-1st-preseason-start Cardinals' Kyler Murray delivers in 1st preseason start By Kevin Patra Around the NFL Writer Published: Aug. 8, 2019 at 11:22 p.m. Updated: Aug. 9, 2019 at 01:29 a.m. Kyler Murray's preseason debut lasted just one drive, but it confirmed everything that made the quarterback the No. 1 pick. Murray's drive started backed up at his own 2-yard-line. It's a precarious place that can rattle a young quarterback. The rookie wasn't shook. At all. During Murray's drive, the entire Cardinals offense looked about as comfortable as you can be in a preseason opener with a rookie quarterback. Murray completed 6-of-7 attempts (his only "incompletion" coming when a receiver stepped out of bounds for a penalty on the catch, which by league rule is deemed an incompletion) for 44 yards on the night. The No. 1 overall pick displayed pinpoint accuracy and elusiveness in the pocket, and got the ball out quicker than a hiccup. "I thought it was smooth," Murray told reporters after Arizona's 17-13 win. "I was anxious to get out there, move around and throw it a little bit. I really just tried to execute whatever coach called, and I think we did that for the most part." Boom, quick 6-yard out to Damiere Byrd. Swoosh, 8 yards to Trent Sherfield for a first down. Bam, 8 more yards to Sherfield. Murray then dropped his arm slot down like he was turning a double play to hit David Johnson for a screen pass that went 14 yards. The rookie evaded pressure with ease early in the drive, displaying the ability to throw the pigskin with accuracy on the move. A penalty and a sack, which he had no shot to avoid, ended the drive, but Murray showed the poise to methodically get the Cards out of trouble and flip the field, a key once the regular season gets underway. Murray didn't throw the ball more than 9 air-yards downfield but peppered the sideline, which takes a strong arm. On several of his out-routes, Murray's ball whistled through the air with rare zip. Once he unfurls his pretty deep ball, the Cards offense could be a headache for defenses stretching it both wide and verticle. It was just one drive, but Murray showed relaxed knowledge of Kliff Kingsbury's offense, making quick, decisive decisions. If the QB continues to progress, at the very least the Cards will be fun to watch. Get on board while you can. The Murray Hype Train is poised to take off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Things seem to have changed in the NFL. Rookie QBs used to need time to develop. But now, it seems like many are ready right out of the gates... Mayfield, Darnold, Murray, Jones.....all looking good early. Just an observation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Things seem to have changed in the NFL. Rookie QBs used to need time to develop. But now, it seems like many are ready right out of the gates... Mayfield, Darnold, Murray, Jones.....all looking good early. Just an observation. Well it helps in Murray case when you walk into a offense you been playing in for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Things seem to have changed in the NFL. Rookie QBs used to need time to develop. But now, it seems like many are ready right out of the gates... Mayfield, Darnold, Murray, Jones.....all looking good early. Just an observation. You can through Rosen in there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Scoop24 said: Well it helps in Murray case when you walk into a offense you been playing in for years. When you draft any rookie QB to be your franchise guy, its wise to try to match the system to the QB, rather than force your QB into the coach's system. So in that sense, sure, the Cardinals are a bit ahead of the curve by pairing him directly with a coach he's had success with. But do you think the Browns will hesitate to fire Kitchens if he isn't adapting his system to Mayfield? Or the same with Gase and Darnold here? A young franchise QB is the most powerful employee in the organization. Only the owner(s) have more power than a franchise QB. Everyone else becomes expendable. So its in everyone's best interests to do everything in their power to make it work for that QB, including the offensive system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: When you draft any rookie QB to be your franchise guy, its wise to try to match the system to the QB, rather than force your QB into the coach's system. So in that sense, sure, the Cardinals are a bit ahead of the curve by pairing him directly with a coach he's had success with. But do you think the Browns will hesitate to fire Kitchens if he isn't adapting his system to Mayfield? Or the same with Gase and Darnold here? A young franchise QB is the most powerful employee in the organization. Only the owner has more power than a franchise QB. Everyone else becomes expendable. This is true, but also new. Used to be college systems and pro systems, now they're significantly blurred. The league has wised up. You're paying these kids $30+M for four years, and that's a bargain rate for a franchise QB. Spending the first couple years breaking him into the pros just doesn't work anymore. Besides, the spread stuff is demonstrating itself to be successful at the pro level, no reason not to implement it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, slats said: This is true, but also new. Used to be college systems and pro systems, now they're significantly blurred. The league has wised up. You're paying these kids $30+M for four years, and that's a bargain rate for a franchise QB. Spending the first couple years breaking him into the pros just doesn't work anymore. Besides, the spread stuff is demonstrating itself to be successful at the pro level, no reason not to implement it. As long as your QB's knees don't get crushed, that is. Though at least if they do, you're paying them on a rookie deal and not a massive cap-crushing contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 He looked really good yesterday of what i saw but he is so small. He just looks smaller than the other small qbs in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 12 hours ago, jetstream23 said: Things seem to have changed in the NFL. Rookie QBs used to need time to develop. But now, it seems like many are ready right out of the gates... Mayfield, Darnold, Murray, Jones.....all looking good early. Just an observation. The sport has changed. It's far more geared towards passing - A lot of the advantages the defence used to have been systematically taken away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He looked really good yesterday of what i saw but he is so small. He just looks smaller than the other small qbs in this league. Yep, and that will lead to injuries if he doesn't protect himself. The league has never been more protective of its QB's but that doesn't mean late hits and knee-crushing blows don't still happen. Plus once you leave the pocket and start running you're no different than a RB. Get out of bounds and slide early, Kyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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