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23 hours ago, Mogglez said:

This league makes itself look worse and worse every year.

Which keeps making them more and more money, every year.

They are endorsing every story they release  that involves themselves. 

Bad publicity is still publicity.

 

 

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1 hour ago, RichardTodd27 said:

Which is nuts!!!!!!!!!

Who the hell is the NFL to punish it's employees for bad behavior outside of the workplace?

Does any other employer do that? I know I don't. 

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On 7/19/2019 at 2:49 PM, KRL said:

The NFL is setting themselves up for a HUGE lawsuit if Hill repeats his behavior against his child 

or girlfriend

Huh?

The NFL, or any other employer, has 0 liability in what Hill, or any other employee, does on their off time.

 

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5 hours ago, RichardTodd27 said:

You're damn right I disagree with this statement. Any rational and fair-minded person should.

So you should be able to punish someone without any evidence, just because you think there's good chance he did something wrong?

Thank God our judicial system does operate like that. And the NFL shouldn't operate that way either.

Actually our judicial system DOES work like that. Two types of cases, civil and criminal.. In a criminal proceeding where you are going to take basic rights away from a defendant, the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt  that the defendant committed the crime.

Civil is completely different.

The NFL has a collectively bargained civil based disciplinary system.  They are not putting Hill in jail, they are taking away the privilege to play in the NFL. And unlike what you think almost all corporations have personal conduct policies employees must adhere to or be fired. The NFL does have the right to fire players. In a civil proceeding (most court cases are civil btw) all that needs to be shown is that it is more likely than not that he committed the infraction. That is clearly true of Hill.

Here is a definition of burden of proof for a civil proceesing:

 

The Lowest Standard: Preponderance of the Evidence – The rules of civil procedure used by all U.S. Courts require that a plaintiff prove her case by a preponderance of the evidence. This roughly means a greater than 50% chance, based on all the reasonable evidence, that the defendant did the wrong that caused the damage. The defendant doesn't have to do anything to defend their case if the plaintiff fails to prove their case by a preponderance of the evidence.

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20 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Actually our judicial system DOES work like that. Two types of cases, civil and criminal.. In a criminal proceeding where you are going to take basic rights away from a defendant, the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt  that the defendant committed the crime.

Civil is completely different.

The NFL has a collectively bargained civil based disciplinary system.  They are not putting Hill in jail, they are taking away the privilege to play in the NFL. And unlike what you think almost all corporations have personal conduct policies employees must adhere to or be fired. The NFL does have the right to fire players. In a civil proceeding (most court cases are civil btw) all that needs to be shown is that it is more likely than not that he committed the infraction. That is clearly true of Hill.

Here is a definition of burden of proof for a civil proceesing:

 

The Lowest Standard: Preponderance of the Evidence – The rules of civil procedure used by all U.S. Courts require that a plaintiff prove her case by a preponderance of the evidence. This roughly means a greater than 50% chance, based on all the reasonable evidence, that the defendant did the wrong that caused the damage. The defendant doesn't have to do anything to defend their case if the plaintiff fails to prove their case by a preponderance of the evidence.

I wonder if the CBA, NFL by-laws or anything else defines or clarifies the burden of proof for these matters?  If not, it really should.  I'd be in favor of a "clear and convincing" standard.  It's not as strict as reasonable doubt and is way less likely to generate the inconsistent and seemingly capricious results we get from Goodell and his minions during the past decade or so.  It's often used in courts , particularly in family law situations including custody, involuntary commitment and others.  

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14 minutes ago, Dcat said:

I wonder if the CBA, NFL by-laws or anything else defines or clarifies the burden of proof for these matters?  If not, it really should.  I'd be in favor of a "clear and convincing" standard.  It's not as strict as reasonable doubt and is way less likely to generate the inconsistent and seemingly capricious results we get from Goodell and his minions during the past decade or so.  It's often used in courts , particularly in family law situations including custody, involuntary commitment and others.  

Polian has said on NFLN that it is the civil standard, which I think it should be.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037588/article/chiefs-wr-tyreek-hill-speaks-for-first-time-since-return

 

Chiefs WR Tyreek Hill speaks for first time since return

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  • By Jeremy Bergman
  • Around The NFL Writer
  • Published: July 28, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.
  • Updated: July 28, 2019 at 05:23 p.m.

Kansas City Chiefs receiver Tyreek Hill spoke for the first time Sunday morning since the NFL announced it would not be suspending the wideout.

In an eight-minute presser, Hill thanked the Chiefs front office and coaches and his teammates for supporting him and Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL for getting "all that facts."

"I can't wait for my new journey, man. I'm excited," Hill said Sunday. "I'm working every day to be a better father, a better person, a better citizen, a better teammate and a better son, too, to my parents. I'm evolving every day."

The league announced on July 19 that it could not conclude that Hill violated the league's personal conduct policy and therefore he would not be suspended.

Hill had been barred from all team-related activities after audio surfaced on the first day of the 2019 NFL Draft in which he discussed injuries suffered by his son. Hill also told his fiancee, Crystal Espinal, that she should be "terrified" of him during an 11-minute discussion that took place in a Dubai airport.

Hill told reporters Sunday that he was unaware the audio existed until it came out in late April. The receiver said he wanted to "man up" to "what he did on the audio," in respect to his use of bad language.

"I don't want nobody talking to my little sister, my daughter that I have now, my mom like that. It's very disrespectful," Hill said. "I mean, my mom got onto me, like she thumped me in the ear, like, Come on, man, Reek. Come on, grow up, grow up out of it. So, never again. Like I said I'm growing as a human being, as a person. Never again."

On June 7, the Johnson County (Kansas) District Attorney's Office announced that its criminal investigation into Hill was no longer active. Johnson County District Attorney Steve Howe did note that he believed the 3-year-old son of Hill and Espinal had been hurt but that he couldn't prove who did what. That sentiment mirrored Howe's comments in April when he announced that neither Hill nor his fiancee would be charged with a crime after the initial investigation into the case.

Hill was on the field Saturday as Chiefs training camp opened. The receiver was met with cheers from the crowd at Missouri Western State in St. Joseph, Missouri.

"It felt great. The fans here are amazing," Hill said of his reception. "They do a good job as well making me feel like I'm family, so it's great to be back."

The two-time Pro Bowl wide receiver is expected to play a key role in the Chiefs' offense in 2019. Hill earned first-team All-Pro honors as a receiver in 2018 after recording career highs of 87 receptions, 1,479 yards and 12 touchdowns and leading K.C. to the doorstep of a Super Bowl appearance.

With suspension speculation behind him, Hill said he's ready to get back to work.

"It feels good, man," Hill said. "The love feels good to come back out here, to have that chance, it's crazy, man.

"So I'm back. The Cheetah's back, man."

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