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CIMINI : HOW ADAM GASE WENT FROM ANNOYING LACKEY TO NFL HEAD COACH

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20 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Joe D. is the best, man," Gase said. "The thing that impressed me was how much coaches respect him, because coaches think they know f------ everything. They don’t say that about Joe. They say he knows players. When offensive line coaches say a scout is a really good offensive line evaluator, that's, like, rare. You don't hear that a bunch. They say this guy is as good as it gets when it comes to quarterbacks and offensive line evaluation. That's the key to everything."

jack off please GIF

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i agree with above re: offensive line play evaluation...

adios Winters, welocme to your future...

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13 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

Good article by Rich though, other than the somewhat obnoxious title. 

I can't see Gase liking that he used that as the title...we'll see if he gets a bit of a cold shoulder in the press conferences, although it will be hard to tell if it because of this or because of the really stupid questions he asks.

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Self made man, that's all that matters.

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2 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

Self made man, that's all that matters.

true.. the key is  Sam,.. if he continueS to improve... we'll make the playoffs in 2021  ;)

 

 

cheers ~ ~

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This is the quote that most need to hear...feel like all the detractors say this...

"Everybody says, 'Oh, Peyton Manning, anybody can coach him,'" former Denver coach John Fox said. "Not really true. All quarterbacks want answers, and Adam did a fantastic job of giving him answers."

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I feel somewhat better about Gase after reading that.

 

Thanks OP!

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55 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said:

Next article: "How Rich Cimini went from fat douche to fat douche"

That would be a novel as opposed to an article and thus too long to post here.

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Didn't Mangenius have a similar start as a ball boy? And, at least he got a spot on the Sopronos :-)

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20 minutes ago, Jetstream said:

This is the quote that most need to hear...feel like all the detractors say this...

"Everybody says, 'Oh, Peyton Manning, anybody can coach him,'" former Denver coach John Fox said. "Not really true. All quarterbacks want answers, and Adam did a fantastic job of giving him answers."

I agree, highly talented people don't always take direction very well, particularly if they feel they know better. We've probably all blown off a boss or two at some point when it was obvious the boss had nothing to offer and was clueless (particularly middle managers). Peyton being Peyton will say the right/pc things if asked publicly, but to reach out unsolicited in support of a guy is something else.

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Meh, unless you're a former player or daddy's little boy, all these dudes start out the same way.  Impressive that Gase was able to make it to the top of the mountain but discouraging how ugly the fall was once he got there.  I hope it's different his second time around.  

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9 minutes ago, JiF said:

Impressive that Gase was able to make it to the top of the mountain but discouraging how ugly the fall was once he got there.  I hope it's different his second time around.  

Was it a fall? Presumably he shot his way out of a bad place and is in a much better position now having done so. I've done that career wise and I'd do it again if I felt it necessary.

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24 minutes ago, JiF said:

Meh, unless you're a former player or daddy's little boy, all these dudes start out the same way.  Impressive that Gase was able to make it to the top of the mountain but discouraging how ugly the fall was once he got there.  I hope it's different his second time around.  

Correct.  He was a total disaster in miami. Ran that franchise into the ground.

But other have been successful in their second stop so you hope that happens here.

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1 hour ago, kelly said:

true.. the key is  Sam,.. if he continueS to improve... we'll make the playoffs in 2021  ;)

 

 

cheers ~ ~

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2019...

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1 hour ago, Jetstream said:

This is the quote that most need to hear...feel like all the detractors say this...

"Everybody says, 'Oh, Peyton Manning, anybody can coach him,'" former Denver coach John Fox said. "Not really true. All quarterbacks want answers, and Adam did a fantastic job of giving him answers."

That sounds great.

I guess what I keep wondering is how much actual "coaching" DID Payton Manning require in his 16th and 17th years as a starting NFL QB, one well known for calling his own plays and doing his own thing.

If Peyton says alot, and he DOES admittedly give alot of happy talk when it comes to Gase, ok, that says something.  

Gase's career to-date is almost entirely working with long-established-as-starters, veteran QB's. 

Manning (in his 16th and 17th year) in 2013 and 2014.  He was a HOF'er when Gase got him, but did have his best production year with him.

Cutler (in his 10th year)) in 2015.  He had a long resume of similar-level success before Gase got him.

And Tannehill (in his 5th, 6th and 7th years) in 2016-2018.  His best years were all before Gase arrived, production wise at least.  He did win more with Gase than before, to be noted.

So the real question is how will Gase do with a non-veteran, extremely young QB with no real success yet in the league.  A QB to mold for himself?

It will be exciting to see, no matter how much you do or don't "have faith" in Gase himself.  Sam as a materially better potential talent than Tannehill or Cutler, although comparing his potential to manning is (IMO) a step too far, certainly at this point.

Interesting times ahead! :yahoo:

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31 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Was it a fall? Presumably he shot his way out of a bad place and is in a much better position now having done so. I've done that career wise and I'd do it again if I felt it necessary.

Is going from the Dolphins go the Jets, a much better position?  Very debatable.  The Dolphins were basically a .500 team before he got there.  The Jets are a bottom 3 team in the league for the last 3 years. 

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28 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

But other have been successful in their second stop so you hope that happens here.

There's definitely truth to that, which is why I had no problem avoiding a rookie HC for the first time in a long time, but I have to admit I don't love it being a guy who just got fired, having no time to actually learn or progress before getting a second chance.  That has a pretty awful track record in the NFL, as can be seen by the likes of Herm, Mangini, and Rex all being even worse with their second teams than they ever were with the Jets (which is really saying something).

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2 hours ago, thebuzzardman said:

Good article by Rich though, other than the somewhat obnoxious title. 

Agreed one of the rare pieces where he actually had to dig up real information not just garbage one paragraph opinion click bait nonsense that takes him 45 seconds to type up, and post.

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44 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Correct.  He was a total disaster in miami. Ran that franchise into the ground.

But other have been successful in their second stop so you hope that happens here.

I’m pretty sure Ross, and Tanny ran the Dolphins into the ground the last 2 years.

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

That sounds great.

I guess what I keep wondering is how much actual "coaching" DID Payton Manning require in his 16th and 17th years as a starting NFL QB, one well known for calling his own plays and doing his own thing.

If Peyton says alot, and he DOES admittedly give alot of happy talk when it comes to Gase, ok, that says something.  

Gase's career to-date is almost entirely working with long-established-as-starters, veteran QB's. 

Manning (in his 16th and 17th year) in 2013 and 2014.  He was a HOF'er when Gase got him, but did have his best production year with him.

Cutler (in his 10th year)) in 2015.  He had a long resume of similar-level success before Gase got him.

And Tannehill (in his 5th, 6th and 7th years) in 2016-2018.  His best years were all before Gase arrived, production wise at least.  He did win more with Gase than before, to be noted.

So the real question is how will Gase do with a non-veteran, extremely young QB with no real success yet in the league.  A QB to mold for himself?

It will be exciting to see, no matter how much you do or don't "have faith" in Gase himself.  Sam as a materially better potential talent than Tannehill or Cutler, although comparing his potential to manning is (IMO) a step too far, certainly at this point.

Interesting times ahead! :yahoo:

Fox alluded to it being "answers", hard to dissect specifically but if I had to guess?; he's probably referring to accountability for players being where they needed to be, down and distance tendencies of the D they were facing and maybe the off chance he had a presnap read wrong or went the wrong place with the ball and Gase was able to call it out on Ipad on the sidelines or in the meeting room.  Essentially, providing more of the situational awareness stuff that might not be as easy to keep track of while you're in the moment or having the balls to challenge one of the greatest of all time.  None of which actually made Peyton a better QB, per say, but more so putting the unit in position to succeed, which helped him have his best statistical season. 

Totally spitballing here...because I'm with you, it's hard for me to credit Gase for that job when Peyton was already Peyton.  

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2 hours ago, Warfish said:

That sounds great.

I guess what I keep wondering is how much actual "coaching" DID Payton Manning require in his 16th and 17th years as a starting NFL QB, one well known for calling his own plays and doing his own thing.

Interesting point.  I guess I'd look at as if Gase were a professor.  A math professor might teach a bunch of smart freshman some calculus or differential equations; he's doing some real teaching to kids (Tannehill, etc.) who are just starting to really enter advanced math and build their foundations.  But that same professor might also teach PhD candidates (Manning) some really advanced stuff on Algebraic Geometry or unproven math theories.

I think the ability to do both of those things, to teach/coach two very different levels of student/player is somewhat rare.  For the former you need to have some patience, you need to deal with players who have known limitations in their game and to account for that.  But with the advanced guy you really need to stretch yourself and anticipate the types of questions that my be coming.  In some cases, you may be trying to do things that haven't been done before in regard to audibles and equipping not just the QB, but the offense with the ability to adjust quickly at the LOS in a way that doesn't confuse everybody.

What Manning was doing at the end of his career was much more impressive than at the beginning in my opinion.  In the 2013, '14, '15 timeframe Manning was a physically lesser player than he was in the early 2000's, he was coming off that neck injury and, even more amazingly....the entire NFL had 15 years of tape to look at on the guy.  I give Gase an immense amount of credit for helping Manning break that TD record in 2014.  55 TDs is just crazy....and it was the most for him by far since his 49 TD season way back in 2004.

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5 hours ago, Embrace the Suck said:

So he isn't a former athlete (Bowles), and he isn't here due to nepotism (Rex).  He's here because he chose to live and breath football and he worked his way up from the bottom. It's a good start. 

said about just about every coach ever

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I can tell you people feel a lot more relaxed and happy going into training camp now that Bowles and mac are out. 

But it’s the off season. Who knows how long these things will last. 

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3 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

I’m pretty sure Ross, and Tanny ran the Dolphins into the ground the last 2 years.

Totally wrong.  Ross is a checkbook, nothing more.  Tanny was gases puppet.

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6 hours ago, Jetstream said:

I can't see Gase liking that he used that as the title...we'll see if he gets a bit of a cold shoulder in the press conferences, although it will be hard to tell if it because of this or because of the really stupid questions he asks.

Usually the author has nothing to do with the title

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32 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Totally wrong.  Ross is a checkbook, nothing more.  Tanny was gases puppet.

Sure it is.

You know, living down here, going to games, hanging out with a lot of NFL fans and you have a different take than what people have been saying.  

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1 hour ago, Hackenberg said:

said about just about every coach ever

Other than Bowles & Rex, Herm... 

 

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