Q's contract holdup

[Raideraholic]

2 hours ago, New York Mick said:

QW isn’t Po and he isn’t a NT. 

Exactly it's one thing playing QW at NT on passing downs. ( get your best pass rushers on the field) .  Than playing QWilliams  at NT on the run  also. 

That would be the dumbest move ever playing the third pick in the draft  at NT .     Do you know the abuse a NT takes( constant double teams)  , as you're shorting in his career . Not to mention he would get destroyed at NT in the pro game playing there.( this isn't college any more- he's playing against grown men every week).

You have to put your players in the situation that's going  

to let them be the most successful.    Q Wiliams doesn't play one of the De position in the 3-4 , you are setting him up for failure.        Q Williams plays NT fulltime , start the whining already because he will have a very bad year .  

[RichardTodd27]

43 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Exactly it's one thing playing QW at NT on passing downs. ( get your best pass rushers on the field) .  Than playing QWilliams  at NT on the run  also. 

That would be the dumbest move ever playing the third pick in the draft  at NT .     Do you know the abuse a NT takes( constant double teams)  , as you're shorting in his career . Not to mention he would get destroyed at NT in the pro game playing there.( this isn't college any more- he's playing against grown men every week).

You have to put your players in the situation that's going  

to let them be the most successful.    Q Wiliams doesn't play one of the De position in the 3-4 , you are setting him up for failure.        Q Williams plays NT fulltime , start the whining already because he will have a very bad year .  

I agree with this. QW should be a 3-4 DE. Which means he'll be competing with Leo & Anderson for a job, and right now he's the odd man out (Mac's final gift to us). QW should feel a sense of urgency to sign and get in camp.

[Skeptable]

7 hours ago, Ghost said:

Isn’t this beneficial for us anyway? We have some cap space at the moment. This will free up cap space in year 2, 3, and 4. Am I right? 

No matter how the signing bonus is given out... All up front or all deferred it doesn't change the cap hit...  The cap hit  is spread out evenly over the number of seasons

[Skeptable]

14 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

He can still be an Alabama resident next year, no?

if so, then problem solved. What is it with rookies holding out?  Can they prove their worth first?

The nfl has to resolve this stupidity.

Simple answer is no he won't be an Alabama resident next year. 

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

meh, Jets are in the driver seat here, DL will be strong with or without QW in the lineup

kid should be more worried about a second contract - and think about how much good that $100k in taxes can do for NJ

[New York Mick]

If he moves to PA and get paid in NJ does he still have to pay Jersey taxes? I was thinking about moving up there and keeping a Florida address and drivers license (no state tax and I can still buy and owe real guns)?

[CTM]

16 hours ago, chrisfaceoff said:

From Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the holdup in Quinnen Williams' contract talks is "deferment of signing bonus money."

Williams wants more of his bonus paid out this year while he is still a resident of Alabama, where the tax rate is lower than New Jersey. The Jets are apparently proposing the lowest percentage of a Year 1 signing bonus that they have ever offered to a first-round pick under the new CBA. Sam Darnold held out the first few days of camp last year before eventually signing. We could be looking at a repeat.

Good for him. The jets should pay it all out year 1 so the kid doesnt get screwed by the corrupt state government on top of the corrupt federal government 

[CTM]

1 hour ago, New York Mick said:

If he moves to PA and get paid in NJ does he still have to pay Jersey taxes? I was thinking about moving up there and keeping a Florida address and drivers license (no state tax and I can still buy and owe real guns)?

There is a reciprocal agreement between nj and pa, many people work in NJ and live just over border in pa to pay less taxes (local and state). Most of them vote Democrat too,  big surprise 

[CTM]

16 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

He can still be an Alabama resident next year, no?

if so, then problem solved. What is it with rookies holding out?  Can they prove their worth first?

The nfl has to resolve this stupidity.

NJ is aggressive about collecting their taxes. I have a buddy who 2 years before selling his company moved out to avoid 9% tax and now wont so much as enter the state with any digital record of it on the advice of his accountant. 

[Jetsfan80]

7 hours ago, RichardTodd27 said:

I agree with this. QW should be a 3-4 DE. Which means he'll be competing with Leo & Anderson for a job, and right now he's the odd man out (Mac's final gift to us). QW should feel a sense of urgency to sign and get in camp. 

Leo SHOULD be the odd man out.  By the trade deadline we should look to move him, especially if he looks good playing under Gregg Williams. 

[Embrace the Suck]

15 hours ago, jeTMAC said:

Hopefully he's eating a lot of potato salad and eating a lot of steak so he can gain a lot of weight so he can clog the middle like a real nose tackle!!! I would like to see him get to 320 lb... Remember Sione Pouha?

They didn't draft him third overall just to be a fat guy that just clogs the interior run game.

[flgreen]

Well the Giants just signed their guy at #6.  Should go down today or tomorrow.

My only concern is that Q's agent is new, he's her first client, I'm hoping she doesn't want to make a big splash at his expense over something small. 

[Bleedin Green]

32 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Well the Giants just signed their guy at #6.  Should go down today or tomorrow.

My only concern is that Q's agent is new, he's her first client, I'm hoping she doesn't want to make a big splash at his expense over something small. 

Oh really?  Didn't know that.  Probably not helping the situation.  Negotiations between a first-time agent and first-time GM means neither one wants to cave (even more than usual).  My guess is it'll come down to either QW telling his agent to concede so he can get into camp, or them finding some kind of midpoint.  With the Jets having already dragged it this far along, it's highly unlikely they'll be willing to fully cave, or they would have already done it before it would start bringing bad press with it.

[flgreen]

31 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Oh really?  Didn't know that.  Probably not helping the situation.  Negotiations between a first-time agent and first-time GM means neither one wants to cave (even more than usual).  My guess is it'll come down to either QW telling his agent to concede so he can get into camp, or them finding some kind of midpoint.  With the Jets having already dragged it this far along, it's highly unlikely they'll be willing to fully cave, or they would have already done it before it would start bringing bad press with it.

Problem with that is, the girl is smoking hot, probably why he hired her, I have a hard time seeing him telling her no.  LOL

[Maxman]

18 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

How slow is that Winnebago?  I make it from Brooklyn to Silver Spring in 3:30 and that is avoiding tolls. 

We actually spent last week in Delaware, Masseys Landing.

Showed up on google maps as 3:20 for us in a car. Took us 4 hours in the RV. The biggest reason wasn't the speed, we did 75 most of the time. The biggest issue was it takes forever to get gas.  I put $130 in it on the way back, seems like the gas just takes forever to fill up.

[Savage69]

9 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Problem with that is, the girl is smoking hot, probably why he hired her, I have a hard time seeing him telling her no.  LOL

I guess it depends what your smoking..The agency is owned by the rapper Lil Wayne..

[flgreen]

41 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

I guess it depends what your smoking..The agency is owned by the rapper Lil Wayne..

Well maybe your getting a "bit odd" in your senior years, but smoke or not, I'd call her "smoking hot".

 

She works for Lil Wayne, but she's Q's agent

[varjet]

53 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

I guess it depends what your smoking..The agency is owned by the rapper Lil Wayne..

Q’s agent has other clients.   Q is her first high draft pick client. 

[Fantasy Island]

20 hours ago, chrisfaceoff said:

From Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the holdup in Quinnen Williams' contract talks is "deferment of signing bonus money."

Williams wants more of his bonus paid out this year while he is still a resident of Alabama, where the tax rate is lower than New Jersey. The Jets are apparently proposing the lowest percentage of a Year 1 signing bonus that they have ever offered to a first-round pick under the new CBA. Sam Darnold held out the first few days of camp last year before eventually signing. We could be looking at a repeat.

Wow, I agree with the Jets on this one.

[Fantasy Island]

10 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Well maybe your getting a "bit odd" in your senior years, but smoke or not, I'd call her "smoking hot".

 

She works for Lil Wayne, but she's Q's agent

She is female and has a pulse.  

[#27TheDominator]

57 minutes ago, Maxman said:

We actually spent last week in Delaware, Masseys Landing.

Showed up on google maps as 3:20 for us in a car. Took us 4 hours in the RV. The biggest reason wasn't the speed, we did 75 most of the time. The biggest issue was it takes forever to get gas.  I put $130 in it on the way back, seems like the gas just takes forever to fill up.

Massey's Landing?  Jeez.  Why didn't you just go to Ocean City.  You probably got there 2 hours after you hit the Delaware/NJ border.  It is way east and south and that stretch of route 1 is not the fastest. 

Is the pump slow or is it just huge?   That is like a 50 gallon tank?  It should take less than three times as long as my car.  If it is taking way longer, check that none of the vents are obstructed, especially check the filler neck.

[New York Mick]

3 hours ago, CTM said:

There is a reciprocal agreement between nj and pa, many people work in NJ and live just over border in pa to pay less taxes (local and state). Most of them vote Democrat too,  big surprise 

That was one of the things I was thinking about doing (not voting democrat) move to PA or keep a Florida address. 

[New York Mick]

29 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Well maybe your getting a "bit odd" in your senior years, but smoke or not, I'd call her "smoking hot".

 

She works for Lil Wayne, but she's Q's agent

She should be doing porn

[Rsherman28]

26 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

Wow, I agree with the Jets on this one.

I kind of see both sides of it but its a little more confusing on the Jets side to me. The argument is virtually over 100K that Q would be losing if he takes the deal the Jets are offering him today due to him not being a resident in NJ yet.

I get the Jets stance in the case of the kid is getting a 21 million dollar signing bonus this year, and try and save as much as you can on contracts.

But Q is a 21 year old kid and he should get as much money with there being a high risk of injury in the NFL.On the Jets side, what is 100K to them? Kind of odd. For me just get the deal done and get him to practice when camp starts.

Although, it shows you that even the front office knows it really is not a big deal missing a couple days of camp or OTA's, 100% overblown by the media (hint L.Bell). I do not even remember the Darnold hold out and his was the most stupidest sh*t, a hold out over off set language. I remember Mac's dumb ass stupid quote " well you know these things are a process and take time".

[Villain The Foe]

21 hours ago, chrisfaceoff said:

From Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the holdup in Quinnen Williams' contract talks is "deferment of signing bonus money."

Williams wants more of his bonus paid out this year while he is still a resident of Alabama, where the tax rate is lower than New Jersey. The Jets are apparently proposing the lowest percentage of a Year 1 signing bonus that they have ever offered to a first-round pick under the new CBA. Sam Darnold held out the first few days of camp last year before eventually signing. We could be looking at a repeat.

The Jets might as well give him what he's asking for. We all know franchise defensive tackles are what win championships. 

No need to be stingy about money now that your Franchise DT slipped to you in the draft. 

 

[Savage69]

1 hour ago, flgreen said:

Well maybe your getting a "bit odd" in your senior years, but smoke or not, I'd call her "smoking hot".

 

 

She works for Lil Wayne, but she's Q's agent

I don't think Brady's wife is hot either different strokes for different folks.. Her face is nice but not my type of body..

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, New York Mick said:

She should be doing porn

Here's a video of Nicole Lynn speaking about her entry into the sports agent industry and how Quinnen decided to go with her as his representative. 

Seems like she knows what she's doing. Great to see folks coming from the hood supporting one another in the business world. I hope she gets the Jets to come up off as much of that money as possible. 

 

[flgreen]

1 hour ago, Rsherman28 said:

I kind of see both sides of it but its a little more confusing on the Jets side to me. The argument is virtually over 100K that Q would be losing if he takes the deal the Jets are offering him today due to him not being a resident in NJ yet.

I get the Jets stance in the case of the kid is getting a 21 million dollar signing bonus this year, and try and save as much as you can on contracts.

But Q is a 21 year old kid and he should get as much money with there being a high risk of injury in the NFL.On the Jets side, what is 100K to them? Kind of odd. For me just get the deal done and get him to practice when camp starts.

Although, it shows you that even the front office knows it really is not a big deal missing a couple days of camp or OTA's, 100% overblown by the media (hint L.Bell). I do not even remember the Darnold hold out and his was the most stupidest sh*t, a hold out over off set language. I remember Mac's dumb ass stupid quote " well you know these things are a process and take time".

If there is a falling out with the team, and the player is cut, the off set language could mean millions to a player, not just $100,000

[Bruce Harper]

Just now, flgreen said:

If there is a falling out with the team, and the player is cut, the off set language could mean millions to a player, not just $100,000

And do you think that's likely to happen?

[New York Mick]

7 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Here's a video of Nicole Lynn speaking about her entry into the sports agent industry and how Quinnen decided to go with here as his representative. 

Seems like she knows what she's doing. Great to see folks coming from the hood supporting one another in the business world. I hope she gets the Jets to come up off as much of that money as possible. 

 

I’m sure she does know what she’s doing. I just want to see her in porn. 

[Apache 51]

6 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

And do you think that's likely to happen?

If phukin Murphy gets that millionaire tax through.

[Rsherman28]

3 minutes ago, flgreen said:

If there is a falling out with the team, and the player is cut, the off set language could mean millions to a player, not just $100,000

The 100K is referenced to Quinnen Williams case not Darnolds. Seeing how Darnold's start of his career is going it seems likely he will be finishing his rookie contract, it seemed likely he wasn't going to bust when drafted. 

Still, offset language for the No. 1 overall pick or No. 3 pick (as Darnold was) seems somewhat silly, doesn't it? (Yes, it does, for a couple reasons.)

First, a refresher on what offset language is. In the final year of a contract, a team will include it as a form of protection. Darnold's fourth-year salary is expected to be $4.604 million. But say the Jets got $2 million of offset language in the deal. If they cut Darnold after Year 3 of the contract -- which seems unlikely -- and he signs elsewhere for $2 million, that money would come off what the Jets owe Darnold and also wouldn't count against the Jets' salary cap.

Here's the thing, though: If Darnold is so bad that the Jets cut him after his contract's third year -- again, a release at that point seems unlikely -- he probably is going to get just the minimum salary for 2021 anyway, with his new team.

And even if the Jets are able to recoup $2 million, you're talking about $2 million in a $30 million deal. More likely, you're talking about $750,000 (Darnold's potential 2021 minimum salary) in a $30 million deal. Doesn't that seem like a rather small point to battle over?

Maccagnan on Monday explained why he considers offset language worth fighting for -- and his rationale mainly involves contracts that will come after Darnold's deal.

But sometimes, it's all a moot point. The Jets drafted cornerback Dee Milliner -- a future all-time bust -- ninth overall in 2013. He had offset language in his fully guaranteed $12.66 million contract. It wound up not mattering. He was so bad that the Jets cut him before the 2016 season. He never landed with another NFL team, and the Jets paid out his entire contract.

https://www.nj.com/jets/2018/07/sam_darnold_holdout_what_was_point_of_jets_fightin.html

[Apache 51]

11 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

I don't think Brady's wife is hot either different strokes for different folks.. Her face is nice but not my type of body..

yikes

[IndianaJet]

Joe must go?

 

.....there...I said it.....

[flgreen]

8 minutes ago, Rsherman28 said:

The 100K is referenced to Quinnen Williams case not Darnolds. Seeing how Darnold's start of his career is going it seems likely he will be finishing his rookie contract, it seemed likely he wasn't going to bust when drafted. 

Still, offset language for the No. 1 overall pick or No. 3 pick (as Darnold was) seems somewhat silly, doesn't it? (Yes, it does, for a couple reasons.)

First, a refresher on what offset language is. In the final year of a contract, a team will include it as a form of protection. Darnold's fourth-year salary is expected to be $4.604 million. But say the Jets got $2 million of offset language in the deal. If they cut Darnold after Year 3 of the contract -- which seems unlikely -- and he signs elsewhere for $2 million, that money would come off what the Jets owe Darnold and also wouldn't count against the Jets' salary cap.

Here's the thing, though: If Darnold is so bad that the Jets cut him after his contract's third year -- again, a release at that point seems unlikely -- he probably is going to get just the minimum salary for 2021 anyway, with his new team.

And even if the Jets are able to recoup $2 million, you're talking about $2 million in a $30 million deal. More likely, you're talking about $750,000 (Darnold's potential 2021 minimum salary) in a $30 million deal. Doesn't that seem like a rather small point to battle over?

Maccagnan on Monday explained why he considers offset language worth fighting for -- and his rationale mainly involves contracts that will come after Darnold's deal.

But sometimes, it's all a moot point. The Jets drafted cornerback Dee Milliner -- a future all-time bust -- ninth overall in 2013. He had offset language in his fully guaranteed $12.66 million contract. It wound up not mattering. He was so bad that the Jets cut him before the 2016 season. He never landed with another NFL team, and the Jets paid out his entire contract.

https://www.nj.com/jets/2018/07/sam_darnold_holdout_what_was_point_of_jets_fightin.html

Whether it's likely or not  is a moot point. 

If Darnold is cut, his contract is still guaranteed.  Lets say it's $30M  If he has off set language, and signs another $5M contract, he actually loses $5M.  He no longer gets the full $30M guarantee.  It's off set by the new $5M.  That's significant money.  If I was a player I'd want no off set language.   Not saying getting paid twice is right or wrong, but I'd want it if I were the player.  it was the teams choice to cut him