KRL Camp Notes (7/29/19)

[KRL]

General Notes

- Players in full pads and uniforms.  In previous practices some players
wore shorts

- Practice ran 2 hours and 15 minutes

- Credit to the WR corps for taking advantage of Hines Ward being in camp.
Whenever there's an individual period someone is asking him for advice

Coach Corner

- Good bounce back performance by Adam Gase and the offense as they won
the day in my opinion.  He went "extreme no huddle" (plays were being run
with 28-30 seconds on the play clock) to get the offense in the flow

- In one period to slow down the offense Gregg Williams cooked up a wild
formation where basically only two players were in traditional positions.
Everyone else was "floating" around, which caused four straight incompletions

Player Notes

- With no drug tests to disrupt his flow LeVeon Bell had a good day.  Breaking
off three big runs (20+ yards, 10+ yards and 20+ yards) during the 11 on 11
periods. Using his unique hesitation style on one run and exploding through
the hole on the other two

- Jamison Crowder continues to demonstrate his chemistry with Sam Darnold.  As
he had multiple catches in traffic for first downs and one 30+ yarder for
a TD

- The "bust police" can calm down as Quinnen Williams showed out today.  In 11
on 11 periods he had at least two "sacks" and one QB hurry.  And in the 1 on 1
period he showed his unique quickness/speed in beating his man

- Two under the radar WR's, Deontay Burnett and Greg Dortch showed up today.
In their reps both caught everything thrown their way, Burnett had a sweet
diving TD catch (15+ yarder) from Trevor Siemian in the back of the end zone.
And in the 1 on 1 period both Burnett & Dortch showed good footwork in getting
off press coverage

- Tarell Basham and Frankie Luvu continue to "stack" practices.  Today Basham
had at least two "sacks" while Luvu had a TFL (one armed tackle of Elijah
McGuire) and a QB hurry

- Derrick Jones showed up today as he had an INT of Trevor Siemian.  He displayed
good technique as he stayed hip to hip with Josh Bellamy and then turned around
at the right time to make the catch.  Also in 1 on 1 drills Jones showed good
footwork and route recognition.  With so many CB spots up for grabs its now or
never for him   

- Chandler Catanzaro bounced back from his bad day over the weekend as he made
5-6 FG's.  With his one miss coming from 55+ yards as it hit the crossbar

- Montrel Meander (CB) deserves a mention because he had a "pick 6" off of
Davis Webb during 11 on 11

QB Notes

- Sam Darnold was sharp as he spread the ball around to multiple receivers
(Crowder, Qunicy Enunwa, Chris Herndon, Ty Montgomery and Robby Anderson).
He also used his cadence to get the defense to jump offsides on a couple
of occasions.  The "extreme no huddle" seems to fit his ability to improvise,
will we see it when the games count?  Strong bounce back from Sunday's slog
by Darnold

Standouts

- Sam Darnold

- Jamison Crowder

- LeVeon Bell

- Quinnen Williams

- Tarell Basham

- Frankie Luvu

- Derrick Jones 

[kdels62]

Thanks for this @KRL

I have a question. Should I be as excited as I am for Blake Cashman or am I being ridiculous? 

[Losmeister]

gracias

[Patriot Killa]

10 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Thanks for this @KRL

I have a question. Should I be as excited as I am for Blake Cashman or am I being ridiculous? 

I think we all tend to get excited about players when we see their name pop up a ton on tweets. It’s not unreasonable to be excited about young players who are trying to stick to the roster but personally I like to see them shine in the preseason before hand. Like with RA

[batmans a scientist]

Couple of random notes from being at practice, and I thought the miss was from 52, not 57, but I was low in the stands and might be a little harder to tell. He also knocked one in off the crossbar upright. 

I'm no KRL, but the only things I can really say that I saw is that

- Darnold looks good in practice, crisp throws. Quick reads, and putting balls where only a WR or no one else can get it most of the day

- The rest of the QBs do not. At one point Siemian was running around looking for someone, took a sack and then threw the ball, seemingly in frustration, but even that throw looked terrible. I know they are all backups, but it's alarming how inaccurate  Siemian, Webb, and Falk look.   

Edited July 29, 2019 by batmans a scientist
Catanzaro hit the upright, not crossbar on made field goal

[Rsherman28]

30 minutes ago, KRL said:

Jamison Crowder continues to demonstrate his chemistry with Sam Darnold.  As
he had multiple catches in traffic for first downs and one 30+ yarder for
a TD

New York Jets free-agent acquisition Jamison Crowder is dealing with a foot injury once again.

Crowder left the practice field Monday after injuring his foot -- reporters on the scene indicated it appeared to be his left foot. Coach Adam Gase said after practice that the receiver is being evaluated and will undergo an MRI.

The 26-year-old wideout missed seven games in 2018 while dealing with a right ankle injury with the Washington Redskins.

The Jets signed the veteran slot receiver to provide playmaking for quarterback Sam Darnold.

"Everyone knows how quick he is, but man, he's fast too. And I think he can hit another gear," Darnold said Monday of Crowder.

If the training camp injury turns up minor, Crowder projects as one of Darnold's top targets in Gase's offense.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001037733/article/roundup-jamison-crowder-to-undergo-mri-on-foot 

Any update on how serious it looked or what type of play or contact it happened on? 

[Jetster]

7 minutes ago, batmans a scientist said:

Couple of random notes from being at practice, and I thought the miss was from 52, not 57, but I was low in the stands and might be a little harder to tell. He also knocked one in off the crossbar. 

I'm no KRL, but the only things I can really say that I saw is that

- Darnold looks good in practice, crisp throws. Quick reads, and putting balls where only a WR or no one else can get it most of the day

- The rest of the QBs do not. At one point Siemian was running around looking for someone, took a sack and then threw the ball, seemingly in frustration, but even that throw looked terrible. I know they are all backups, but it's alarming how inaccurate  Siemian, Webb, and Falk look.   

That's because now your watching those scrubs after witnessing the beauty that is our shiny new semi experienced 22 year old franchise QB do his work. It really is a beautiful thing to have a QB isn't it?

[kdels62]

15 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I think we all tend to get excited about players when we see their name pop up a ton on tweets. It’s not unreasonable to be excited about young players who are trying to stick to the roster but personally I like to see them shine in the preseason before hand. Like with RA

I’ve been onboard with Cashman since the JetNation draft. I took Cashman in the 5th for the Broncos loved what I saw immediately with him. I hated that we drafted him because I thought it was weird to get a legitimate ILB after signing Mosley to a huge deal. So I’m more invested in Cashman than any other rookie in this class and seeing his name mentioned with starters has me excited.

 

[JiF]

39 minutes ago, KRL said:

- With no drug tests to disrupt his flow LeVeon Bell had a good day.  Breaking
off three big runs (20+ yards, 10+ yards and 20+ yards) during the 11 on 11
periods. Using his unique hesitation style on one run and exploding through
the hole on the other tw

What, no.  Cant be.  Dont believe you.

[Patriot Killa]

16 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

I’ve been onboard with Cashman since the JetNation draft. I took Cashman in the 5th for the Broncos loved what I saw immediately with him. I hated that we drafted him because I thought it was weird to get a legitimate ILB after signing Mosley to a huge deal. So I’m more invested in Cashman than any other rookie in this class and seeing his name mentioned with starters has me excited.

 

I’d say there’s nothing wrong with that then. I still have high hopes for Frankie Luvu. He was my guy last year.

[Charlie Brown]

KRL thank you!!

I really am excited about Darnold's consistency in practice!

This is so important!!

[32EBoozer]

Thanks KRL! Envious that you get to sit in the stands and take it all in. Can't wait for the new season to begin. Can't remember the last time I said that! A Franchise QB will do that.

[BurnleyJet]

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

I’ve been onboard with Cashman since the JetNation draft. I took Cashman in the 5th for the Broncos loved what I saw immediately with him. I hated that we drafted him because I thought it was weird to get a legitimate ILB after signing Mosley to a huge deal. So I’m more invested in Cashman than any other rookie in this class and seeing his name mentioned with starters has me excited.

 

I could see us move Avery Williamson.

Cashman is pretty athletic too.

 

[kdels62]

7 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

I could see us move Avery Williamson.

Cashman is pretty athletic too.

 

He’s a beast. Just as athletic as Darron Lee without the entitlement. I pegged him as Darron Lee with a brain and a heart early on and it’s looking like that’s what he’s becoming.

[IndianaJet]

2 hours ago, kdels62 said:

Thanks for this @KRL

I have a question. Should I be as excited as I am for Blake Cashman or am I being ridiculous? 

 

2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

I think we all tend to get excited about players when we see their name pop up a ton on tweets. It’s not unreasonable to be excited about young players who are trying to stick to the roster but personally I like to see them shine in the preseason before hand. Like with RA

 

21 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

I could see us move Avery Williamson.

Cashman is pretty athletic too.

 

 

I know there's a huge difference between OTAs and camp.....but remember when we were all on the "Chad Hansen is awesome" bandwagon last year because of some tweets that made it seem like he was going to make an impact?   I prefer to reserve judgment and wait until we see him playing in some games.

As for getting rid of Williamson....are you saying they might move him now?  That's just nuts.  Dude is a solid, consistent contributor on the defense and a leader in the clubhouse.  He's not a pro-bowler, but he's not a guy you trade because a 5th round draft pick is having a good start to camp.  Williamson actually had a better overall PFF grade (if you believe in those grades) than Mosley did last year.

[BroadwayRay]

32 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

I could see us move Avery Williamson.

Cashman is pretty athletic too.

 

Kind of underdrafted when all things are considered. Maybe the fact that he had surgery on both shoulders last year had something to do with it. But he could end up being one of the big steals of the draft.

[kdels62]

49 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

 

 

I know there's a huge difference between OTAs and camp.....but remember when we were all on the "Chad Hansen is awesome" bandwagon last year because of some tweets that made it seem like he was going to make an impact?   I prefer to reserve judgment and wait until we see him playing in some games.

As for getting rid of Williamson....are you saying they might move him now?  That's just nuts.  Dude is a solid, consistent contributor on the defense and a leader in the clubhouse.  He's not a pro-bowler, but he's not a guy you trade because a 5th round draft pick is having a good start to camp.  Williamson actually had a better overall PFF grade (if you believe in those grades) than Mosley did last year.

If Cashman as a 5th rounder looks good in the preseason you almost have to move Williamson because of his value. He’s most valuable now as a 27 year-old with 2 years left on a reasonable contract and we don’t have very many players with value.

PFF had Cashman as a second rounder and his combine implies he can do well at the NFL level. It’s too early now but it might not be too early in 3 weeks.

 

[Peace Frog]

3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

I’d say there’s nothing wrong with that then. I still have high hopes for Frankie Luvu. He was my guy last year.

I watched nearly every televised game he played his last 2 seasons at Wash St because I REALLY liked Luke Falk (boy did he take several steps back) and I loved Luvu. Felt like him and Hercules made almost every tackle. 

[MichaelScott]

3 hours ago, kdels62 said:

Thanks for this @KRL

I have a question. Should I be as excited as I am for Blake Cashman or am I being ridiculous? 

I feel the same way. Wasn't Hansen constantly getting tweet recognition this time last year? 

[MichaelScott]

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[MichaelScott]

1 hour ago, IndianaJet said:

 

 

I know there's a huge difference between OTAs and camp.....but remember when we were all on the "Chad Hansen is awesome" bandwagon last year because of some tweets that made it seem like he was going to make an impact?   I prefer to reserve judgment and wait until we see him playing in some games.

As for getting rid of Williamson....are you saying they might move him now?  That's just nuts.  Dude is a solid, consistent contributor on the defense and a leader in the clubhouse.  He's not a pro-bowler, but he's not a guy you trade because a 5th round draft pick is having a good start to camp.  Williamson actually had a better overall PFF grade (if you believe in those grades) than Mosley did last year.

 

3 minutes ago, MichaelScott said:

I feel the same way. Wasn't Hansen constantly getting tweet recognition this time last year? 

This

[Patriot Killa]

10 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

I watched nearly every televised game he played his last 2 seasons at Wash St because I REALLY liked Luke Falk (boy did he take several steps back) and I loved Luvu. Felt like him and Hercules made almost every tackle. 

Luvu also flashed in the regular season last year. I was really happy when they decided give him another go this offseason. I love our LB core and especially our young LB depth. It may take Cashman some time to catch on to the regular season pace but him and Luvu should fill in nicely on sub packages and such.

[Peace Frog]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

Luvu also flashed in the regular season last year. I was really happy when they decided give him another go this offseason. I love our LB core and especially our young LB depth. It may take Cashman some time to catch on to the regular season pace but him and Luvu should fill in nicely on sub packages and such.

I’m penciling in Luvu for 6 sacks this year. 

[kdels62]

27 minutes ago, MichaelScott said:

I feel the same way. Wasn't Hansen constantly getting tweet recognition this time last year? 

Hansen excelled during spring OTAs. Cashman has seemingly worked into the starting rotation as a 5th round rookie drafted by the past GM. Fingers are crossed.

[BurnleyJet]

1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

If Cashman as a 5th rounder looks good in the preseason you almost have to move Williamson because of his value. He’s most valuable now as a 27 year-old with 2 years left on a reasonable contract and we don’t have very many players with value.

PFF had Cashman as a second rounder and his combine implies he can do well at the NFL level. It’s too early now but it might not be too early in 3 weeks.

 

Seconded, we have a ridicules amount of money tied up at MLB. If we can get a mid round pick for Avery, I’d do it. Blakemans having a great start and he’s cheap athletic and hungry.  

[roscoeword]

It seems that many times in drafts, there is a big steal at linebacker. A fairly low pick who becomes a stud. OK, it can happen in a lot of positions, but I recall it happening a lot at linebacker, just can't think of examples. Maybe it's our turn to get lucky? 

[MichaelScott]

1 hour ago, Peace Frog said:

I’m penciling in Luvu for 6 sacks this year. 

Is this solely because of your expectations of Luvu, or the D as a whole? A lot of teams 6 sacks is a decent year. Recent Jets teams, 6 is damn close to leading the team lol. 

So I guess I'm wondering, if by "6" you're penciling him in as one of the top rushers on the team, or a solid role player? Is that a Jets 6 or a 6 on a good defense? 

[Peace Frog]

33 minutes ago, MichaelScott said:

Is this solely because of your expectations of Luvu, or the D as a whole? A lot of teams 6 sacks is a decent year. Recent Jets teams, 6 is damn close to leading the team lol. 

So I guess I'm wondering, if by "6" you're penciling him in as one of the top rushers on the team, or a solid role player? Is that a Jets 6 or a 6 on a good defense? 

 He had 3 last year on a bad defense that was badly coached,  I just think as a situational pass rusher on a better defense with a better DC he’ll double that number. 

[MichaelScott]

51 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

 He had 3 last year on a bad defense that was badly coached,  I just think as a situational pass rusher on a better defense with a better DC he’ll double that number. 

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I'm expecting a jump out of him too. Your post prompted me to think about my predictions for him and I couldn't come up with a number without figuring out what I'm expecting from the D. 

I think Luvu could be a solid role player who benefits from attention given elsewhere on the D. Last season sack leader was 7, which would put Luvu in top 3. When I think of what I'm hoping from this D, I don't think I see him as 2nd in sacks. I guess my point is that I agree with 6 but also expect him to be solid but not top 2 on the team. So 6 means we've finally got a player or two with double digit sacks

[Peace Frog]

16 minutes ago, MichaelScott said:

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I'm expecting a jump out of him too. Your post prompted me to think about my predictions for him and I couldn't come up with a number without figuring out what I'm expecting from the D. 

I think Luvu could be a solid role player who benefits from attention given elsewhere on the D. Last season sack leader was 7, which would put Luvu in top 3. When I think of what I'm hoping from this D, I don't think I see him as 2nd in sacks. I guess my point is that I agree with 6 but also expect him to be solid but not top 2 on the team. So 6 means we've finally got a player or two with double digit sacks

I think we’ll either have a couple of double digit sackers or 3-4 guys with 7 plus sacks. 

[fusionCA]

isnt Cashman injured all the time?

how abut we let a rookie stay healthy for 3 games before trading a good starter 

[nico002]

Pretty sure Cashman dropped because he’s made of glass...

[Jet Nut]

8 hours ago, Rsherman28 said:

New York Jets free-agent acquisition Jamison Crowder is dealing with a foot injury once again.

Crowder left the practice field Monday after injuring his foot -- reporters on the scene indicated it appeared to be his left foot. Coach Adam Gase said after practice that the receiver is being evaluated and will undergo an MRI.

The 26-year-old wideout missed seven games in 2018 while dealing with a right ankle injury with the Washington Redskins.

An ankle is now a foot?

[Jet Nut]

We're trading people away for a LB that the board killed Macc for drafting.  Because he wouldnt stay healthy I think it was.

Two days on the practice notes and now hes a stud, a big steal

LOL

[kdels62]

9 hours ago, nico002 said:

Pretty sure Cashman dropped because he’s made of glass...

No Cashman dropped because he only had 1 season of production and he was a walk on at Minnesota. He was supposed to test poorly. Things like this happen all the time. The system is pretty flawed. That being said, Cashman has been injured but played in every game last year and had his surgeries before last college season. He’s been healthy for over a season now. 

 

8 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

We're trading people away for a LB that the board killed Macc for drafting.  Because he wouldnt stay healthy I think it was.

Two days on the practice notes and now hes a stud, a big steal

LOL

First of all. Very few people here knew who Blake Cashman was when we drafted him. People called him a special teamer when he was one of the top off ball linebacker prospects for anyone doing a deep dive into those prospects. 

Secondly, Cashman can be very good and still be a bad draft pick. He was a bad pick because we had just spent a boatload if money on Mosley, a lot of Williamson the year before, we still had Darron Lee and we re-signed Neville Hewitt. That’s a lot of resources before adding Cashman to the mix.