Patriot Killa Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 This would change everything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindOverMatter Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I'm already excited about this upcoming season, if we managed to trade for Trent Williams i'd be ecstatic. It seems like a good spot for him considering the Jets have one of the best medical staffs' in the league and how he was handled by the medical staff in Washington was a straight up slap in his face. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 What would be a fair price for the Jets to pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: The Athletic's Jeff Howe reports the Redskins are "having trade discussions" regarding holdout LT Trent Williams. Howe notes the Patriots are expected to be in the mix if Williams is made available. Williams has stated he will not play again for the Redskins, so Washington may now be willing to deal the 31-year-old after signing OT Donald Penn. Health has always been Williams' biggest obstacle, but when on the field he's truly an elite left tackle. There would be plenty of suitors. Williams is under contract the next two seasons at base salaries of $11 million and $12.5 million. Patriots only $9MM under the cap and Williams will probably want more money if he moves. I guess Brady will have to take another 'pay-cut'. Coincidentally a large order for TB12 supplements will follow within the week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said: What would be a fair price for the Jets to pay? A 3rd rounder or maybe a 4th rounder and McGuire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, thebuzzardman said: What would be a fair price for the Jets to pay? I have ZERO problem giving up another 2nd. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 31 years old, 15m cap hit next 2 years, going to cost a bundle to get....i dunno. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: I have ZERO problem giving up another 2nd. Far too much... You are going to have to pay him stupid money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 We have been ignoring the OL for far too long so expect to overpay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsherman28 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebuzzardman said: What would be a fair price for the Jets to pay? 2020 4th, 2021 5th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Far too much... You are going to have to pay him stupid money. exactly. i think i much rather stick with our OL and then draft OL heavy next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsherman28 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: We have been ignoring the OL for far too long so expect to overpay. Would you mind if we over payed? I don't think Douglas is going to get fleeced but I wouldn't mind considering the point you just made about the OL being ignored for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: We have been ignoring the OL for far too long so expect to overpay. Yes, but giving up a 2nd is dumb. Trent is had 2 down years in a row, and is now looking to get a overpay. There is no team that is going to give up a 2nd for him... I see most teams around a 4th rounder. That is why I think a 3rd gets it done 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rsherman28 said: Would you mind if we over payed? I don't think Douglas is going to get fleeced but I wouldn't mind considering the point you just made about the OL being ignored for so long. No i'm all about winning and definitely protecting or franchise QB depends on what you consider overpaying I consider a #2 draft pick overpaying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Far too much... You are going to have to pay him stupid money. That's what quality LT's cost: Stupid money. So who cares? Get Williams, then let Beachum walk after the season OR try to trade him. Boom, upgrade at LT who is only 1 year older than Beachum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsherman28 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Not sure how the pats would even have the cap to pull this off. Could also be bait for the Jets to get this deal done if we are one of the teams in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 If we tried to send Washington Beachum for Trent Williams, what else would we need to add? A 5th? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: That's what quality LT's cost: Stupid money. So who cares? Get Williams, then let Beachum walk after the season OR try to trade him. Boom, upgrade at LT who is only 1 year older than Beachum. Because the draft is flush with OL next year... you don't give up a 2nd for a guy on the downside of his career that is going to demand a top 10 paycheck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Even if we don’t get him, I’m glad Mac is not the GM involved in this potential deal. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsherman28 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: If we tried to send Washington Beachum for Trent Williams, what else would we need to add? A 5th? Beachum would be a 9.5 cap hit and they just signed veteran Donald Penn in preparation to move Williams I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 31 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Howe notes the Patriots are expected to be in the mix if Williams is made available. Williams has stated he will not play again for the Redskins, so Washington may now be willing to deal the 31-year-old after signing OT Donald Penn. Health has always been Williams' biggest obstacle, but when on the field he's truly an elite left tackle. There would be plenty of suitors. Williams is under contract the next two seasons at base salaries of $11 million and $12.5 million. @Raideraholic - where are you!!?!?????!???!!!!!??????!!!!!!???! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: If we tried to send Washington Beachum for Trent Williams, what else would we need to add? A 5th? Throw in some bottled farts and they should be all-in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Yeah this is the sort of transition away from Beachum that would be worth throwing up a 3rd or 4th rounder. Beachum moves to RT (or traded), Shell is cheap depth, Edoga takes over at RG or RT next year and we only have to replace one position and possibly upgrade center if Harrison falters for 2021. Do it Tanny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Please make this happen. With him and Kelechi would be our best left side since Brick and Faneca.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, prime21 said: Even if we don’t get him, I’m glad Mac is not the GM involved in this potential deal. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Ironically, the only thing Mac was good at was getting fair to positive value from trades. I wouldn't give up much more than a 4th this year. Draft OL next year. The scout team led by Joe Douglas (former OL) have all been upgraded with an eye towards the trenches; let them show us what they're worth. Throwing away a draft pick on a 31 year old with injury history who wants to get PAID doesn't seem like good business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: We have been ignoring the OL for far too long so expect to overpay. Or.....don't? We have a brand spanking new GM, a well regarded one. He should be able to take any "overpay" scenario's costs (say, a 2nd round pick) and convert that next draft into a shiny new 10-year O-Line starter. We do not need to overeach like 2019 is our last gasp at a title. We are a young team, looking ahead, not behind. We don;t need to solve every problem this year. We can afford to wait, and do it right under Douglas, without spending a bajillion dollars and high draft picks for the privilege of short term rental-types. Smart management says pass on Williams at high cost, and investment of those assets in the future for long-term pieces for long-term success. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 What contract would he want.... He is already the 7th highest paid LT in the league at 13.2 Mil per year. This means he wants another contract probably around 15-16 ++ Mil per year for the next 5 years. 75 Million? 80 Million? What would make this guy happy if 13.2 and a top 10 salary is not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rsherman28 said: Beachum would be a 9.5 cap hit and they just signed veteran Donald Penn in preparation to move Williams I believe If traded, Beachum would only count for $1.5 mil in dead cap space. It actually is an option... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Warfish said: Or.....don't? We have a brand spanking new GM, a well regarded one. He should be able to take any "overpay" scenario's costs (say, a 2nd round pick) and convert that next draft into a shiny new 10-year O-Line starter. We do not need to overeach like 2019 is our last gasp at a title. We are a young team, looking ahead, not behind. We don;t need to solve every problem this year. We can afford to wait, and do it right under Douglas, without spending a bajillion dollars and high draft picks for the privilege of short term rental-types. Smart management says pass on Williams at high cost, and investment of those assets in the future for long-term pieces for long-term success. Beachum is 30 and an impending FA. Is a 3rd rounder worth a massive upgrade on the line and to solve LT for 2 years? Honest question because I don't know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: Or.....don't? We have a brand spanking new GM, a well regarded one. He should be able to take any "overpay" scenario's costs (say, a 2nd round pick) and convert that next draft into a shiny new 10-year O-Line starter. We do not need to overeach like 2019 is our last gasp at a title. We are a young team, looking ahead, not behind. We don;t need to solve every problem this year. We can afford to wait, and do it right under Douglas, without spending a bajillion dollars and high draft picks for the privilege of short term rental-types. Smart management says pass on Williams at high cost, and investment of those assets in the future for long-term pieces for long-term success. This is my thought too especially after seeing he has 2 years left at a top 7 LT salary still on his deal. How much more does he need to be happy? https://overthecap.com/position/left-tackle/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 48 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: A 3rd rounder or maybe a 4th rounder and McGuire McGuire has ZERO trade value. total JAG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, ryu79 said: Please make this happen. With him and Kelechi would be our best left side since Brick and Faneca.... Brick, and Faneca just threw up in their mouths lil bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Stark said: McGuire has ZERO trade value. total JAG. I disagree but understand your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: If he could only name the teams " to be one". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: This is my thought too especially after seeing he has 2 years left at a top 7 LT salary still on his deal. How much more does he need to be happy? https://overthecap.com/position/left-tackle/ Doesn't sound like his gripe is money, moreso how the Skins handled a medical issue of his. Certainly sounds like a guy who has just soured on an organization. And can you blame him? Seems like a weird ass place with a psycho like Snyder in charge and having a friggin racial slur as your team name. They've been football purgatory since the 80s. It's not that surprising he could want out. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/31/report-washington-having-trade-talks-regarding-trent-williams/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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