Apache 51 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, ElBarrioJets said: Doesn't sound like his gripe is money. More like something happened that soured him on his time in Washington. Seems like a weird ass place with a guy like Snyder in charge and having a friggin racial slur as your team name. They've been football purgatory since the 80s. It's not that surprising he could want out. He didn't like the way they handled an injury, if memory serves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said: Doesn't sound like his gripe is money, moreso how the Skins handled a medical issue of his. More like something happened that soured him on his time in Washington. Seems like a weird ass place with a guy like Snyder in charge and having a friggin racial slur as your team name. They've been football purgatory since the 80s. It's not that surprising he could want out. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/31/report-washington-having-trade-talks-regarding-trent-williams/ But it started as a holdout for more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Trade for Trent. Draft LT/RT Andrew Thomas from Georgia. OL problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Or.....don't? We have a brand spanking new GM, a well regarded one. He should be able to take any "overpay" scenario's costs (say, a 2nd round pick) and convert that next draft into a shiny new 10-year O-Line starter. We do not need to overeach like 2019 is our last gasp at a title. We are a young team, looking ahead, not behind. We don;t need to solve every problem this year. We can afford to wait, and do it right under Douglas, without spending a bajillion dollars and high draft picks for the privilege of short term rental-types. Smart management says pass on Williams at high cost, and investment of those assets in the future for long-term pieces for long-term success.This is the smart GM postSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Beachum is 30 and an impending FA. Is a 3rd rounder worth a massive upgrade on the line and to solve LT for 2 years? Honest question because I don't know the answer. The guy is an injury risk. 4th rounder at bestSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 you give a pick plus a player and sliding pick so you protect yourself in case of injury so lets say a 4th MGuire and a 2021 pick tdb depending on playing time if he meets certain levels of play..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, DetroitRed said: The guy is an injury risk. 4th rounder at best Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I'd still do that trade and throw in McGuire for funsies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 46 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Because the draft is flush with OL next year... you don't give up a 2nd for a guy on the downside of his career that is going to demand a top 10 paycheck I agree with this. Williams is an upgrade over beachum, but he is also 31 and has not played a full 16 game season since 2013. OL can play into their mid-30s, but with his injury history I wonder if he can go for 3 or 4 more years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 51 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Because the draft is flush with OL next year... you don't give up a 2nd for a guy on the downside of his career that is going to demand a top 10 paycheck Is it flush with LT's? And will we be able to get one given that we're expecting to have a nice season (mid-late draft pick) and also need to be looking at Corner, EDGE and WR in the next draft? I get it. I want a young franchise LT too. But they aren't easy to find. I'm also not advocating giving up a 2nd for Williams. If he can be had for, say, a 3rd or a 3rd & 6th....now you're talkin'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, nycdan said: Patriots only $9MM under the cap and Williams will probably want more money if he moves. I guess Brady will have to take another 'pay-cut'. Coincidentally a large order for TB12 supplements will follow within the week. Before too long Brady and Jizzelle will be paying the Patriots 10 miliion a year for Tommy to play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: But it started as a holdout for more money Might as well get more money out of it if you're gonna be in a place where you're not happy, no? Also an easy way to try to get yourself traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 18 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said: Doesn't sound like his gripe is money, moreso how the Skins handled a medical issue of his. Certainly sounds like a guy who has just soured on an organization. And can you blame him? Seems like a weird ass place with a psycho like Snyder in charge and having a friggin racial slur as your team name. They've been football purgatory since the 80s. It's not that surprising he could want out. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/31/report-washington-having-trade-talks-regarding-trent-williams/ What have we been in then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Is it flush with LT's? And will we be able to get one given that we're expecting to have a nice season (mid-late draft pick) and also need to be looking at Corner, EDGE and WR in the next draft? I get it. I want a young franchise LT too. But they aren't easy to find. I'm also not advocating giving up a 2nd for Williams. If he can be had for, say, a 3rd or a 3rd & 6th....now you're talkin'. Well that is what I was discussing... A 2nd rounder is an overpay for him. Not worth it. I agree with a 3rd and thats still high. Williams hasn't played a full year in a long time, wants to get paid higher then his 7th highest salary now for a LT, has had 2 down years in a row and is holding out now 3 years into a 5 year extension. You jumped in about paying too much... a 2nd rounder as he suggested is dumb, and no team is going to pay that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Apache 51 said: What have we been in then? Skins haven't been to a conference championship game since 1991. Even in heartbreak, Jets have given us more exciting moments than those bums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Might as well get more money out of it if you're gonna be in a place where you're not happy, no? Also an easy way to try to get yourself traded. I agree. But he is asking for more money. He is the 7th highest paid LT in the league and was graded as the 21st LT in the league by PFF last year. Seems like a pain in the ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: What contract would he want.... He is already the 7th highest paid LT in the league at 13.2 Mil per year. This means he wants another contract probably around 15-16 ++ Mil per year for the next 5 years. 75 Million? 80 Million? What would make this guy happy if 13.2 and a top 10 salary is not enough. If I'm not mistaken, it's not about money. He's lost trust and respect for the organization. He does not want to play for the Redskins at any cost. He blames their staff for mishandling his injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Apache 51 said: bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: Are the Jets Amongst the Teams Trying to.... Click bait. It worked. I'm here. Go get Williams! Make it happen Dougie Fresh! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, JiF said: If I'm not mistaken, it's not about money. He's lost trust and respect for the organization. He does not want to play for the Redskins at any cost. He blames their staff for mishandling his injury. Agreed, but its also money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 FWIW - I would not do this trade if it's anything more than a 5th round pick. He's too injury prone at this age and quite honestly, I dont think he does enough to really make that big of a difference. Beachum is a fine player. Yeah, he's not Williams but Williams isnt reliable and nothing is worse than an unreliable T, especially one you traded away assets for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Agreed, but its also money I'm just repeating what I've heard. It's hard for me to think that Williams thinks he deserves more money when he hasnt played a full season since to 2013 and hasnt played over 800 snaps since 2015. He's not reliable. You dont pay guys more money than they're already making if they're not reliable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 If he’s healthy, he’s arguably the best LT in the league. Nothing should be more important than protecting Darnold and secondly, opening up running lanes for Bell. The injuries are a bit alarming, but at the end of the day, I’d still do it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said: Skins haven't been to a conference championship game since 1991. Even in heartbreak, Jets have given us more exciting moments than those bums. Over the last 20 years they were pretty much bottom feeders in the NFCe, but not always a duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Kelly was a head of his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 6/10/2019 at 1:40 PM, Joe Jets fan said: Beachum and next years 4th would be nice. I was thinking the same (even willing to give up a 3rd). Also, wouldn't mind trading Leonard Williams in a wild "Williams for Williams" trade. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Beachum is a scrub. No one wants this fool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 It would be nice for Darnold to not be running for his life all the ******* time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Quite possibly the biggest reason for Goff going from bum to decent NFL QB was the Rams signing of Whitworth. Williams could have a similar impact on Darnold's career. The only problem is that you will have to trade assets for him AND he wants a new contract. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Beachum, McGuire and a 3rd. Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindOverMatter Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Both Eagles tackles in the top 3 for fewest pressures since 2015? Will be interesting to see Foles in Jacksonville and Wentz playing a full year. No wonder Wentz looked so good, he is most definitely talented, but with an Oline lile that I feel like Darnold would put up similar numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneChrebet80 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 This seems like more of a McCagnan move. Douglas is supposedly really good at drafting Olineman so I doubt he trades draft capital and pays an older veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Untouchable said: It's kind of a weird stat though. Minimally it should be broken down on a per pass attempt basis but even then there's so much more to account for. I'm not saying I don't like Williams, I'm just very skeptical about the value of this stat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Trent Williams and KO is a mean mean left side of the line 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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