Trent Williams Redskins LT: MERGED

[flgreen]

6 hours ago, Lith said:

I agree with this.  Williams is an upgrade over beachum, but he is also 31 and has not played a full 16 game season since 2013.  OL can play into their mid-30s, but with his injury history I wonder if he can go for 3 or 4 more years. 

IMO your looking for 2 years from Williams.  He's got 24M on a 2 year contract.

Spend an early pick on a LT, if one is at value in the draft.  Hope he's ready in 2 years

[Lith]

9 minutes ago, flgreen said:

IMO your looking for 2 years from Williams.  He's got 24M on a 2 year contract.

Spend an early pick on a LT, if one is at value in the draft.  Hope he's ready in 2 years

But would you give up a 2 for two years of Trent Williams.  That is the point I was responding to.  To me, a 2 is too rich for two years of an injury prone 31 year old LT who will be paid $22MM over the next two seasons. 

I could live with a 3, but I think a 2 is too rich.

[RobR]

34 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

It's kind of a weird stat though. Minimally it should be broken down on a per pass attempt basis but even then there's so much more to account for. I'm not saying I don't like Williams, I'm just very skeptical about the value of this stat.

It doesn't even mention games played since 2015. Gilbert only played in 12 games the last two years and he's on the list.

It's real easy not to give up pressures when you're not on the field.

[TheClashFan]

4th rounder.  Taking on a big salary and a guy having trouble getting on the field consistently.  If he really does want a new contract, hard pass.

 

[Warfish]

Quite a bit of talk this evening re: Pats, Pats beat reporters getting planted stories, and the Pats trying to drive a deal thusly.  

[SR24]

Do we still have the cap to add Williams? I think that move is now much less likely but holy hell it would be insane 

[Mike135]

Just now, SR24 said:

Do we still have the cap to add Williams? I think that move is now much less likely but holy hell it would be insane 

Think there's like 14.5 million left.

[SR24]

Just now, Mike135 said:

Think there's like 14.5 million left.

Our Oline would be a strength for the first time in years 

[FidelioJet]

Find a way to get Trent and all of a sudden we have 3 all-pro's on the o-line and, if healthy, one of the top units in the league.

The Jets are legitimate playoff contender with Williams.  

 

[Villain The Foe]

Im hearing that the Patriots and Redskins are in talks regarding Trent Williams. 

[TokyoJetsFan]

On 7/31/2019 at 11:43 AM, Apache 51 said:

Kelly was a head of his time.

on this board that could mean a couple of things~~~

[RichardTodd27]

On 7/31/2019 at 9:59 PM, TheClashFan said:

4th rounder.  Taking on a big salary and a guy having trouble getting on the field consistently.  If he really does want a new contract, hard pass.

 

I don't think people are being realistic here. Trent Williams is a proven (and elite) LT that has a fairly reasonble contract for the next 2 years.

Have to give up more than a 4th.

I'm willing to trade a 3rd, 6th & Beachum. I know it's a risk, but worth it.

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, RichardTodd27 said:

I don't think people are being realistic here. Trent Williams is a proven (and elite) LT that has a fairly reasonble contract for the next 2 years.

Have to give up more than a 4th.

I'm willing to trade a 3rd, 6th & Beachum. I know it's a risk, but worth it.

It's pretty likely that Williams won't be playing under his current contract if he's traded.  The new team will have to tear it up and write a new one that is market-value.  That drives the trade price down.  Where it lands, I can't tell.  It only takes one truly desperate team to make the offer WAS wants but sometimes it's just not there.  

[Rsherman28]

2 hours ago, RichardTodd27 said:

I don't think people are being realistic here. Trent Williams is a proven (and elite) LT that has a fairly reasonble contract for the next 2 years.

Have to give up more than a 4th.

I'm willing to trade a 3rd, 6th & Beachum. I know it's a risk, but worth it.

 

25 minutes ago, nycdan said:

It's pretty likely that Williams won't be playing under his current contract if he's traded.  The new team will have to tear it up and write a new one that is market-value.  That drives the trade price down.  Where it lands, I can't tell.  It only takes one truly desperate team to make the offer WAS wants but sometimes it's just not there.  

With about 15 million in cap left this year, and next year only having to shell out a couple big contracts. Leo and Robby are 2 players who are in a contract years who we might have to retain considering how they play this year. Below are the top cap hits for 2020. 

1. Mosley : 17.5
2. Bell : 15
3. Johnson 15 (we will be cutting him after this year)
4. Osemele : 11

These are the years to do these moves before having to pay Darnold 30 per year. Bring him in and draft heavy in OL the next 2 years. 

[Embrace the Suck]

12 minutes ago, Rsherman28 said:

Johnson 15 (we will be cutting him after this year)

At first I was like "Who the hell is Johnson". Then I remembered he's our elite CB, which is sad when you don't even recognize the name and he's paid like a top level guy.

[Losmeister]

15 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

At first I was like "Who the hell is Johnson". Then I remembered he's our (insert chris farley air quotes) elite CB, which is sad when you don't even recognize the name and he's paid like a top level guy.

fixed

[Philc1]

On 8/1/2019 at 6:14 PM, SR24 said:

Do we still have the cap to add Williams? I think that move is now much less likely but holy hell it would be insane 

Yes

[Philc1]

On 8/2/2019 at 11:59 AM, nycdan said:

It's pretty likely that Williams won't be playing under his current contract if he's traded.  The new team will have to tear it up and write a new one that is market-value.  That drives the trade price down.  Where it lands, I can't tell.  It only takes one truly desperate team to make the offer WAS wants but sometimes it's just not there.  

 

[joewilly12]

Trent Williams could move the New York Jets O-line from flank to rib-eye

By

 Robby Sabo

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 08/03/2019

ESNY Graphic, AP Photo

 

 

Washington Redskins left tackle Trent Williams could transform the New York Jets offensive line from flank into a formidable rib-eye cut.

Joe Douglas gets it. He flat-out understands. The man who so confidently strutted his booming resume into Florham Park early June recently demonstrated just how clear-minded and sound his team-building ways are presented.

Now that Ryan Kalil is the man Sam Darnold will touch on the backside so many times this season (not as frequently in Adam Gase’s shotgun-loaded offense), Douglas’s early June message has officially commenced itself in action.

 

“It starts with the quarterback and both lines.”

The quarterback is, of course, in-house. At least the franchise (and its many diehard fans) believes he’s here. (He better be.) Quinnen Williams is already making bone-crushing plays, and alongside Leonard Williams and Henry Anderson, the interior of Gregg Williams’s defense looks filthy.

 

The offensive line remains the great bugaboo—something Douglas, the former offensive lineman, cannot stand.

Mike Maccagnan’s criminal team-building ways left the cupboard bare. Having drafted just three big heavies (two in the fifth round and one in the third) over the span of five drafts (34 total picks), Darnold’s guys resembled flank steak. Resembling a rough-around-the-edges feel and less-than-stellar quality, there just isn’t a flattering way to describe the situation.

Kalil, the five-time Pro Bowler and two-time First-Team All-Pro, immediately lifts the line to a London broil-type level. While the cut of the meat isn’t top-of-the-line, the way it’s now prepared suddenly eases tensions. The combo of Kalil and Kelechi Osemele on the inside owns the opportunity to do some damage.

Now, there’s just one move left that would cap the move from flank to rib-eye.

Trent Williams.

Williams, 31, is far from the perfect acquisition. Like Kalil, he isn’t a spring chicken and has suffered numerous injuries in recent memory. He’s missed nine games over the last two seasons and 13 in total over the last three.

All of those concerns are washed away when realizing the future is in the building. Young Darnold needs a fortress and he requires it now.

The offensive line remains the most overlooked and underrated unit in all of sports. Accounting for nearly half of the entire offense (5 of 11 players), it’s the unit that bleeds life into the offense.

Track every great team in NFL history and a tremendous five-man front is present. Take a gander at the best teams in the NFL today. … it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. From the Kansas City Chiefs to the Philadelphia Eagles, studly big guys (with depth) is present.

 

 

When Kareem Hunt went down, Andy Reid’s offense didn’t miss a beat. Damien Williams ran behind a dominant front to success for the first time in his big-boy career. The very year Andrew Whitworth signed with the Los Angeles Rams was the exact timing of Todd Gurley’s breakout (improving from a disastrous 3.2 yards per carry in 2016 to a dominant 4.7 a year later).

The very same offseason Max Unger retired, the Saints didn’t mess around. They traded up in the second round of the draft to snag their man, Texas A&M center Erik McCoy, despite already employing one of the league’s best units.

Perhaps the dirtiest little secret over the better part of the last two decades resides up north. What Dante Scarnecchia has done for Tom Brady’s career remains, to this day, one of the great untold stories of our time. No quarterback has enjoyed such freedom and time after the center snaps the ball.

Speaking of the evil empire, the Williams situation presents a dangerous time for the Jets. Per Jeff Howe of The Athletic, Bill Belichick might be interested in acquiring the Washington Redskins stud.

 

Howe notes that “there’s a feeling around the league the Patriots would be involved.”

Williams, of course, is at odds with his current employer and, for once, it has nothing to do with the color green. Furious with the organization regarding a medical scenario leaves the All-Pro dangling in the trade winds.

For the Pats, the seven-time Pro Bowler makes all the sense in the world. Losing left tackle Trent Brown to free agency has left them thin at the all-important position, one the best teams treat like gold.

For the Jets, it makes more sense, and could be the move that helps shift the power of balance in the AFC East. The only way that power shifts is if Brady slides further down. (The only way Brady slides further down is if his line struggles.) And the only way the Jets take advantage is if Darnold leaps massively during his sophomore season. (And the only way Darnold takes that leap is if his O-line is treated like gold.)

A line of Trent Williams, Kelechi Osemele, Ryan Kalil, Brian Winters and Kelvin Beachum/Brandon Shell would possess a shot to rank right up there with the most productive units in the NFL. Darnold becomes that much better and Le’Veon Bell can truly bust out in his first season in New Jersey.

For eight-straight seasons, Williams has been named to the NFC Pro Bowl roster. At 31 years of age and oft-injured, the man isn’t perfect. Considering the Redskins probable asking price makes it even less perfect.

In no world would I give up a first-rounder for an aging, oft-injured tackle. But a second for a stud left tackle that can help correct the past O-line sins that have left the franchise quarterback’s naked body so vulnerable in the breeze is a worthwhile price to pay.

Filet mignon or porterhouse may be out of the question, even with Williams aboard. But from flank to London broil, to eventually rib-eye with Trent Williams in tow, is a legitimate scenario that provides the Jets with legitimate January aspirations this season.

Besides, rib-eye, while a little fatty (which represents the extra fat that’d remain on the Jets front), may just actually outrank filet mignon and porterhouse anyway.

[CanadienJetsFan]

Would you rather see Douglas bring in Williams or say trade for Peterson from the Cards?

[nycdan]

3 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Would you rather see Douglas bring in Williams or say trade for Peterson from the Cards?

Williams for me.  Improving the O-Line has so many benefits.  One of which is we should be able to outscore the other team.  Our defense could absolutely use another CB but it will probably be good enough this season.  Also, it seems much harder to find a really good LT than CB these days so let's solve the harder problem now and the easier one next winter.

[Alka]

On 8/2/2019 at 10:25 AM, RichardTodd27 said:

I don't think people are being realistic here. Trent Williams is a proven (and elite) LT that has a fairly reasonble contract for the next 2 years.

Have to give up more than a 4th.

I'm willing to trade a 3rd, 6th & Beachum. I know it's a risk, but worth it.

I would give up a 3rd, but nothing to go along with that.  Knowing that a 3rd round pick is probably around #15, is better than 17 other teams giving up a 3rd round pick.

Giving up a 6th along with that is just stupid, and the Jets won't do it.  Giving up Beachum is a possible if we are giving up a 4th round pick and not a 3rd round pick.  We still need to protect the fact that Trent has been injured recently, as has been our new starting center.  We need to have that depth to protect us.

[Apache 51]

6 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Would you rather see Douglas bring in Williams or say trade for Peterson from the Cards?

Protect the investment, I think.

[CanadienJetsFan]

5 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

Protect the investment, I think.

Agreed. I read that the patriots are also interested in Williams. 

[Bocajetfan]

Has any information about his contract been released? Saw posts about 8.4 and others about incentive laden just wondering 

[Jetsfan80]

Would you rather see Douglas bring in Williams or say trade for Peterson from the Cards?

Depends on cost. Anything below a 1st round pick is well worth it for the best CB in the game.

[nycdan]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Depends on cost. Anything below a 1st round pick is well worth it for the best CB in the game.

 

You do know he's going to serve a 6-game suspension to start the season.  That should take a little off the price.

[Jetster]

29 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Agreed. I read that the patriots are also interested in Williams. 

Based on past history a Pats draft pick will always be LOWER than a Jets pick. We've missed on SO MANY 2nd round picks let's keep Beachum & send the Redskins our #2. Or a #3 & Avery Williamson. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, nycdan said:

You do know he's going to serve a 6-game suspension to start the season.  That should take a little off the price. 

Maybe.  He's only 29 years old so its not like his career is winding down just yet. 

[BCJet]

5 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

Agreed. I read that the patriots are also interested in Williams. 

Williams doesnt seem to make sense to me for them unless they plan on moving Wynn to guard.  He was essentially their LT of the future.

[BCJet]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Depends on cost. Anything below a 1st round pick is well worth it for the best CB in the game.

 

Looking at the Eagles and from what I read about Douglas he looks for later round CBs and wants to instead pay (draft picks, trade or money) for Dline to rush the passer.

To me that is a better use of capital.  Peterson is awesome, but the rules have moved away from their ability to affect the game as much as Revis could in his prime.  I dont think high end draft capital is worth it for Peterson.

[RedBeardedSavage]

5 hours ago, nycdan said:

Williams for me.  Improving the O-Line has so many benefits.  One of which is we should be able to outscore the other team.  Our defense could absolutely use another CB but it will probably be good enough this season.  Also, it seems much harder to find a really good LT than CB these days so let's solve the harder problem now and the easier one next winter.

This 

[BROOKLYN JET]

Get it done Douglas!

[MichaelScott]

On 7/31/2019 at 3:34 PM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Quite possibly the biggest reason for Goff going from bum to decent NFL QB was the Rams signing of Whitworth. Williams could have a similar impact on Darnold's career. 

The only problem is that you will have to trade assets for him AND he wants a new contract. 

Was literally thinking the same exact thing. Talk that offseasons all seemed to be about his age, risk of giving a once very good player his last year or two of big money, etc. He was HUGE for that team and just like you said, a key part in Goff's jump in development 

For a chance to reproduce that scenario (obviously to some extent - not saying we get to superbowl) I'd be fine with a trade. 

Either way, I honestly have confidence that Douglas will do whatever is best to address this oline.  All I hear in regards to him is how he emphasizes oline first. I do believe itll be addressed as soon as the opportunity presents itself, ala Kalil. 

[thebuzzardman]

Trade for this beast!