2015-17 Jets Drafts in review

[CanadienJetsFan]

5 minutes ago, Grandy said:

I thank God everyday that we got Darnold. However I thought it was universally known that Heimerdinger swung the deal for #3, and not Macc. 

Ok, say he did swing the deal but Macc pulled the trigger. Give the guy some credit.

[Jet Nut]

9 hours ago, dbatesman said:

No he didn’t. He got himself in place to draft Josh Allen.

No he didnt, he got himself in position to draft one of the top 2 QBs.

[Jet Nut]

37 minutes ago, Grandy said:

I thank God everyday that we got Darnold. However I thought it was universally known that Heimerdinger swung the deal for #3, and not Macc. 

No, Macc sent Heimerdinger to finalize the deal because he had a relationship with the Colts people.  And Macc didnt want it leaked that we were trying to work out a trade.  

Macc ultimately agreed to the terms, signed off on the parameters of the deal.  Its his deal.

Just as we all know he would be blamed if we didnt get a QB we like

I know, its hard to give Macc any credit for anything that happened while he was GM

[rangerous]

15 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Now that we're the requisite 3+ seasons since the 2015-16 drafts and entering Year 3 of the 2017 draft class, we can properly evaluate them in hindsight.  Here's how they look:

2015

• 1.6:  DT Leonard Williams:  17.0 career Sacks, 32 TFL's, 85 QB Hits; UFA following 2019 season; lazy and fat   Grade - B
• 2.37:  WR Devin Smith:  10 catches, 135 yards over 2 seasons; signed by DAL to Reserve/Future Contract in 2019  Grade - F
• 3.82:  LB Lorenzo Mauldin:  6.5 career Sacks; out of NFL since September 2018; stiff hips/bad athlete  Grade - F
• 4.103:  QB Bryce Petty:  1-6 record, 57.5 QB Rating; out of NFL since September 2018  Grade - D
• 5.152:  G Jarvis Harrison:  0 games played, Practice Squad in 2015; out of NFL since 2016; lazy and fat  Grade - F
• 7.223:  NT Deon Simon:  1 start, 1.5 career Sacks; signed by GB to Reserve/Future Contract in December 2018  Grade - F

2015 Draft Grade:  F

 

2016

• 1.20:  LB Darron Lee:  4.0 career Sacks, 17 TFLs, 3 INT, 11 PD; traded to KC for 6th round pick in 2019; Tiny   Grade - F
• 2.51:  QB Christian Hackenberg:  0 NFL games played; out of NFL since November 2018; worst draft pick in Jets history  Grade - F
• 3.83:  LB Jordan Jenkins:  12.5 career Sacks, 13 TFLs, 4 FF's, 27 QB Hits  Grade - A
• 4.118:  CB Juston Burris:  2 INT, 7 PD; signed by CLE in November 2018; CB9/CB10 on Browns depth chart  Grade - F
• 5.158:  OT Brandon Shell:  34 games, 29 Starts; JAG RT  Grade - B
• 7.235:  P Lac Edwards:  3 year starter, 44.6 yards/punt, Long 70  Grade - A
• 7.241:  WR/ST Charone Peake:  22 catches, 214 yards, 1 FR, 1 TD  Grade - B

2016 Draft Grade:  D-

 

2017

• 1.6:  S Jamal Adams:  5.5 career Sacks, 1 INT, 4 FF, 18 TFL, 18 PD; Box Safety/Should have been Mahomes/Watson  Grade - B
• 2.39:  S Marcus Maye:  3 career INT's, 4 PD's, 2 FF; another Safety?? / Never healthy  Grade - C
• 3.79:  WR ArDarius Stewart:  6 catches, 82 yards; out of NFL since 2017; abortion of a pick  Grade - F
• 4.141:  WR Chad Hansen:  9 catches, 94 yards; out of NFL since 2017; abortion of a pick  Grade - F
• 5.150:  TE Jordan Leggett:  4 starts, 14 catches, 114 yards, 1 TD; waived in May 2019  Grade - F
• 5.181:  DL Dylan Donohue:  4 games, 0 career sacks, 1 TFL; cut in September 2018; drove wrong way thru Lincoln Tunnel  Grade - F
• 6.188:  RB Elijah McGuire:  180 carries, 591 yards, 19 catches, 370 receiving yards, 6 total TD's  Grade - B
• 6.197:  DB Jeremy Clark:  2 games played; cut in August 2019  Grade - F
• 6.204:  CB Derrick Jones:  4 games played; currently CB5/CB6 on depth chart  Grade - C

2017 Draft Grade:  D

how can the 2016 draft be  a D-?  even though lee was drafted too high doesn't mean he was a bust.  he started for 3 seasons and did make quite a few tackles and good plays.  and they did manage to get a couple of good players in jenkins and edwards.  the grade should at least be a C.

[Jets723]

11 minutes ago, rangerous said:

how can the 2016 draft be  a D-?  even though lee was drafted too high doesn't mean he was a bust.  he started for 3 seasons and did make quite a few tackles and good plays.  and they did manage to get a couple of good players in jenkins and edwards.  the grade should at least be a C.

Agreed but doesn’t fit the narrative lol.  Also it’s funny how people can’t let Macc go lol.  

[Jets723]

46 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

No, Macc sent Heimerdinger to finalize the deal because he had a relationship with the Colts people.  And Macc didnt want it leaked that we were trying to work out a trade.  

Macc ultimately agreed to the terms, signed off on the parameters of the deal.  Its his deal.

Just as we all know he would be blamed if we didnt get a QB we like

I know, its hard to give Macc any credit for anything that happened while he was GM

Great Post.  Look I had no problem getting rid of Macc, he certainly made a lot of bad moves.  However giving him zero credit for anything is utterly ridiculous 

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

If the Darnold thing pans out and he does become the franchise QB , we’ll all have pictures of Macc on our walls.

Who puts a picture of a GM on his wall?

[Bruce Harper]

15 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Now that we're the requisite 3+ seasons since the 2015-16 drafts and entering Year 3 of the 2017 draft class, we can properly evaluate them in hindsight.  Here's how they look:

2015

• 1.6:  DT Leonard Williams:  17.0 career Sacks, 32 TFL's, 85 QB Hits; UFA following 2019 season; lazy and fat   Grade - B
• 2.37:  WR Devin Smith:  10 catches, 135 yards over 2 seasons; signed by DAL to Reserve/Future Contract in 2019  Grade - F
• 3.82:  LB Lorenzo Mauldin:  6.5 career Sacks; out of NFL since September 2018; stiff hips/bad athlete  Grade - F
• 4.103:  QB Bryce Petty:  1-6 record, 57.5 QB Rating; out of NFL since September 2018  Grade - D
• 5.152:  G Jarvis Harrison:  0 games played, Practice Squad in 2015; out of NFL since 2016; lazy and fat  Grade - F
• 7.223:  NT Deon Simon:  1 start, 1.5 career Sacks; signed by GB to Reserve/Future Contract in December 2018  Grade - F

2015 Draft Grade:  F

 

2016

• 1.20:  LB Darron Lee:  4.0 career Sacks, 17 TFLs, 3 INT, 11 PD; traded to KC for 6th round pick in 2019; Tiny   Grade - F
• 2.51:  QB Christian Hackenberg:  0 NFL games played; out of NFL since November 2018; worst draft pick in Jets history  Grade - F
• 3.83:  LB Jordan Jenkins:  12.5 career Sacks, 13 TFLs, 4 FF's, 27 QB Hits  Grade - A
• 4.118:  CB Juston Burris:  2 INT, 7 PD; signed by CLE in November 2018; CB9/CB10 on Browns depth chart  Grade - F
• 5.158:  OT Brandon Shell:  34 games, 29 Starts; JAG RT  Grade - B
• 7.235:  P Lac Edwards:  3 year starter, 44.6 yards/punt, Long 70  Grade - A
• 7.241:  WR/ST Charone Peake:  22 catches, 214 yards, 1 FR, 1 TD  Grade - B

2016 Draft Grade:  D-

 

2017

• 1.6:  S Jamal Adams:  5.5 career Sacks, 1 INT, 4 FF, 18 TFL, 18 PD; Box Safety/Should have been Mahomes/Watson  Grade - B
• 2.39:  S Marcus Maye:  3 career INT's, 4 PD's, 2 FF; another Safety?? / Never healthy  Grade - C
• 3.79:  WR ArDarius Stewart:  6 catches, 82 yards; out of NFL since 2017; abortion of a pick  Grade - F
• 4.141:  WR Chad Hansen:  9 catches, 94 yards; out of NFL since 2017; abortion of a pick  Grade - F
• 5.150:  TE Jordan Leggett:  4 starts, 14 catches, 114 yards, 1 TD; waived in May 2019  Grade - F
• 5.181:  DL Dylan Donohue:  4 games, 0 career sacks, 1 TFL; cut in September 2018; drove wrong way thru Lincoln Tunnel  Grade - F
• 6.188:  RB Elijah McGuire:  180 carries, 591 yards, 19 catches, 370 receiving yards, 6 total TD's  Grade - B
• 6.197:  DB Jeremy Clark:  2 games played; cut in August 2019  Grade - F
• 6.204:  CB Derrick Jones:  4 games played; currently CB5/CB6 on depth chart  Grade - C

2017 Draft Grade:  D

Not a really cheerful review but I'm not sure where the buttfumbles are coming from.  Other than Jamal Adams, who could get a B+ or A-, these grades are pretty much spot on.

[JustInFudge]

11 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The difference is Macc was handed two extra drafts to fail his way into a QB. 

Was he handed 2 extra draft picks or did he acquire a pick via a trade of the only good player Izdick selected during his tenure when Rex forced him to draft Sheldon Richardson?

 

[dbatesman]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

No he didnt, he got himself in position to draft one of the top 2 QBs.

oh wow

[CanadienJetsFan]

21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Who puts a picture of a GM on his wall?

After waiting 50 freaking years for another franchise QB, I guarantee you that many will including yours truly!

[Jets723]

10 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

After waiting 50 freaking years for another franchise QB, I guarantee you that many will including yours truly!

I doubt Macc will get any mention.  Gase and Douglas will probably get the credit for Sam around here and they weren't even here when he was drafted lol

[T0mShane]

26 minutes ago, JiF said:

Was he handed 2 extra draft picks or did he acquire a pick via a trade of the only good player Izdick selected during his tenure when Rex forced him to draft Sheldon Richardson?

 

I said two extra drafts, you meatball. DRAFTSSSSSS

[slats]

11 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Breer and Cimini both had Heimerdinger working that trade-up. To say Macc “made that trade” is rewriting the history. 

Maccagnan was the boss. He authorized negotiating to trade up, and signed off on it. It's his trade. You'd certainly be referring to it as his trade if it didn't work out. 

10 hours ago, dbatesman said:

This was the expectation?

The jints love for Barkley was a very poorly kept secret. The consensus mock up until a day or two before the draft was Darnold #1, Barkley #2. Darnold even showed up to the draft in a brown tie. Dorsey selecting Mayfield nearly ****ed the Jets over, because there were rumors that the only QB the jints would take was Darnold, but -luckily for Maccagnan and the Jets- they passed on him anyway for the RB. 

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, slats said:

Maccagnan was the boss. He authorized negotiating to trade up, and signed off on it. It's his trade. You'd certainly be referring to it as his trade if it didn't work out. 

If by chance Sam does bust out, watch how quickly this will become "Mac's pick". 

[Jets723]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

If by chance Sam does bust out, watch how quickly this will become "Mac's pick". 

Exactly.  Also when it comes to Bell, Mosley, Williams ,Crowder, etc.  Apparently according to some Macc wasn't responsible for any UNLESS they bust out lol

[JetsFanatic]

12 hours ago, T0mShane said:

We’ll agree that Idzik sucked, but we’ll disagree on two major qualifiers:

 

1. Idzik walked into an impossible situation because Rex was an entitled manbaby whose tentacles reached from the beat reporters all the way up to the owner; in fact, the only reason we were interviewing people like Idzik was because nobody of merit wanted to walk into this rat trap.

2. While most of the draft picks sucked, Idzik knew the team needed to be rebuilt and he went about compiling picks and cap space to remedy the singularly disastrous Tannenbaum/Rex Era. Maccagnan walked into a clean slate with tons of cap space and zero bad contracts; Idzik inherited the opposite on both fronts and spent most of his short time here plumbing those leaks. Maccagnan walked into an infinitely better situation AND got the chance to carry out his entire, failed plan. This is what makes Maccagnan worse, imo. 

Idzik inherited a bad situation. Woody compounded it by demanding the HC be retained.  Idzik had a sound strategy to correct the situation, unfortunately he did not have the required expertise to carry it out.

[JustInFudge]

6 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Exactly.  Also when it comes to Bell, Mosley, Williams ,Crowder, etc.  Apparently according to some Macc wasn't responsible for any UNLESS they bust out lol

You havent heard?

Bell sucks, doesnt care about Football and is a locker room cancer that Adam Gase will murder at some point this season.

Mosley sucks and is overpaid.

Crowder sucks, is fragile and is overpaid. 

They're already busts. 

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

No he didnt, he got himself in position to draft one of the top 2 QBs.

We were the 3rd pick in a 2 QB draft.  His Plan A was Kirk Cousins after his previous terrible plans at QB failed miserably.  Just stop.  We got extremely lucky and Mike Maccagnan deserves zero credit. 

The fact that our very next pick after taking Darnold was to draft a 26-year old project DT instead of OL or WR is further proof of just how lucky we got. 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, JiF said:

You havent heard?

Bell sucks, doesnt care about Football and is a locker room cancer that Adam Gase will murder at some point this season.

Mosley sucks and is overpaid.

Crowder sucks, is fragile and is overpaid. 

They're already busts. 

 

Bell is very good. 

Mosley is very good but not in pass coverage, which matters a lot in today's NFL. 

Crowder is good and paid about what he should be but may be fragile.

It doesn't take a genius to spend a lot of money on free agents when you have by far more money than anyone else.  And as I believe you yourself have argued before, it is highly difficult to build a winner via free agency. 

[UntouchableCrew]

Two thoughts --

1) Jamal Adams is an obvious "A". I don't care what you think about drafting a strong safety 6th overall, he's a first team All Pro. Any player who is a first team All Pro in his second year is a homerun.

2) We need to come up with a new grade worse than F for Christian Hackenberg because it's unfair to guys like Lorenzo Mauldin and Darron Lee to be on the same tier as Hack, who might be the worst draft pick in team history.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

After waiting 50 freaking years for another franchise QB, I guarantee you that many will including yours truly! 

No I believe the proper poster would be Sam Darnold, not a GM.  I already am enamored by Darnold but that doesn't mean I love Maccagnan for Darnold being here.  If Macc had his way, our QB would be Kirk Cousins.  He offered more money for Kirk than anyone else did.  It's practically in SPITE of Macc that we ended up falling into a franchise QB.  No one, including Macc, expected Darnold to fall to 3. 

This is why these threads are necessary.  To remind people that Mike Maccagnan deserves no one's praise.  As long as those people exist these threads will still be necessary.  There will be another one next year too when its time to include the 2018 draft in the analysis.  Deal with it. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Two thoughts --

1) Jamal Adams is an obvious "A". I don't care what you think about drafting a strong safety 6th overall, he's a first team All Pro. Any player who is a first team All Pro in his second year is a homerun. 

If someone drafted an All-Pro Punter at # 6 overall, would that be a "Homerun" and an "obvious A"?

[Jetsfan80]

Upon further review I have downgraded the Leonard Williams pick to a "C" and upgraded Jamal Adams to a B+. 

The rest of the grades are perfect.

[New York Mick]

[dbatesman]

25 minutes ago, slats said:

The jints love for Barkley was a very poorly kept secret. The consensus mock up until a day or two before the draft was Darnold #1, Barkley #2. Darnold even showed up to the draft in a brown tie. Dorsey selecting Mayfield nearly ****ed the Jets over, because there were rumors that the only QB the jints would take was Darnold, but -luckily for Maccagnan and the Jets- they passed on him anyway for the RB. 

I guess I was the only one not in on the secret, because looking back the mocks all do seem to have Barkley going 2. I still think it’s dumb to trade for the third pick in a two quarterback draft, but kudos to Maccagnan I guess.

[slats]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

This is why these threads are necessary.  To remind people that Mike Maccagnan deserves no one's praise.  As long as those people exist these threads will still be necessary.  There will be another one next year too when its time to include the 2018 draft in the analysis.  Deal with it. 

I'm gonna let you in on something: these threads are not necessary. 

There are only a couple people here, if that, who wanted Maccagnan not to be fired sooner than he finally was, but this need to vilify every single move he made is ridiculous. It was certainly more bad than good, which is why he's gone, but there was some good sprinkled in there. 

[greenwichjetfan]

IRL: The Jets with a promising FQB for the next 15+ years and a promising HC & GM combo are looking to take the field this year with undoubted optimism by even the most SOJF of fans.

On JN: Bash Jamal Adams for being picked high while arguing about which former GM sucked worse.

[Jets723]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No I believe the proper poster would be Sam Darnold, not a GM.  I already am enamored by Darnold but that doesn't mean I love Maccagnan for Darnold being here.  If Macc had his way, our QB would be Kirk Cousins.  He offered more money for Kirk than anyone else did.  It's practically in SPITE of Macc that we ended up falling into a franchise QB.  No one, including Macc, expected Darnold to fall to 3. 

This is why these threads are necessary.  To remind people that Mike Maccagnan deserves no one's praise.  As long as those people exist these threads will still be necessary.  There will be another one next year too when its time to include the 2018 draft in the analysis.  Deal with it. 

Its unfair to give the man no credit for any moves.  NOBODY is trying to argue that he shouldn't of been fired  BUT saying he did everything terribly is just not true.    

[greenwichjetfan]

3 minutes ago, slats said:

I'm gonna let you in on something: these threads are not necessary. 

There are only a couple people here, if that, who wanted Maccagnan not to be fired sooner than he finally was, but this need to vilify every single move he made is ridiculous. It was certainly more bad than good, which is why he's gone, but there was some good sprinkled in there. 

In all my years on JI & JN, I've never seen such futile/useless beating of a dead horse. Most of what JF80 is saying is right, and I've agreed with him for over a few years about it, but I mean, it's almost as if PETA needs to be involved at this point.

[slats]

24 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said:

Idzik inherited a bad situation. Woody compounded it by demanding the HC be retained.  Idzik had a sound strategy to correct the situation, unfortunately he did not have the required expertise to carry it out.

You have it backwards. Woody demanded that Rex be retained, and that's the reason the Jets wound up with the worst GM in team history in John Idzik, because no one else would take the job under those circumstances. 

Idzik's strategy was common sense. I don't know why he gets any credit for it at all. A child could've come up with the same plan. He executed it about as poorly as anyone could. 

[JustInFudge]

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Bell is very good. 

Mosley is very good but not in pass coverage, which matters a lot in today's NFL. 

Crowder is good and paid about what he should be but may be fragile.

It doesn't take a genius to spend a lot of money on free agents when you have by far more money than anyone else.  And as I believe you yourself have argued before, it is highly difficult to build a winner via free agency. 

Yeah, you're quoting me verbatim. Doesnt change the fact I've heard plenty of knocks on them all. 

And I love how Adams sucks because he doest have picks yet CJ Mosley also sucks in coverage despite the fact he has 35 pd's and 9 career picks.  

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

Yeah, you're quoting me verbatim. Doesnt change the fact I've heard plenty of knocks on them all. 

And I love how Adams sucks because he doest have picks yet CJ Mosley also sucks in coverage despite the fact he has 35 pd's and 9 career picks.   

Mosley struggles in coverage, and is a LB.  Adams is pretty much god awful in coverage and is a Safety.

Comparing Mosley to Adams in pass coverage doesn't help the cause at all. 

[Jetsfan80]

6 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Its unfair to give the man no credit for any moves.  NOBODY is trying to argue that he shouldn't of been fired  BUT saying he did everything terribly is just not true.     

Maybe if people didn't have such a visceral reaction whenever anyone dared suggest Macc had little to do with Sam Darnold being here, or to the idea that drafting a Box Safety at 6 when you need a QB is dumb, these threads wouldn't go as many pages as they do. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No I believe the proper poster would be Sam Darnold, not a GM.  I already am enamored by Darnold but that doesn't mean I love Maccagnan for Darnold being here.  If Macc had his way, our QB would be Kirk Cousins.  He offered more money for Kirk than anyone else did.  It's practically in SPITE of Macc that we ended up falling into a franchise QB.  No one, including Macc, expected Darnold to fall to 3. 

This is why these threads are necessary.  To remind people that Mike Maccagnan deserves no one's praise.  As long as those people exist these threads will still be necessary.  There will be another one next year too when its time to include the 2018 draft in the analysis.  Deal with it. 

Oye....When we look at his entire body of work while being the GM, there is no doubt that he was a failure. That we agree.  But being the guy Went up to #3 thus getting Darnold must not be swept under the rug and ignored. You mentioned the cousins possibility, yes, that may have been plan A. Thankfully it did not happen (Thank you lower tax bracket in Minnesota)

Soon after he didn’t sit on his hands and wait for a quarterback to fall on his lap at number six. Do you want to criticize him for having a Plan B? That’s your prerogative but at the very least he had a plan and so far, so good!

I guess we just have to wait and see how history treats him regarding Darnold. My guess, is that if Darnold pans out, we will be singing folk songs about Mac!

 Heck, if they even win a championship , I say bring him back for the parade!