Jetster Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 That was great insight into GW & how he views defense & scheme ect. But what really stuck out was what he said about rotation & keeping guys fresh. It made me think about Leo, lining up OVER & OVER plus getting doubled a lot as you would imagine any Oline coach would do because who else did you have to worry about? Now I have no clue if they are thinking about trading Leo, but if not having QW next to him can't hurt. I'm sure having Suh next to Donald helped Donald & Suh both. The combination of having a f*cking real offense for a change, putting up more points & keeping these guys fresh could turn things around for everyone on the defensive side of the ball. I'm sure playing defense on the Jets the last 8 years has not been fun watching the offense go 3 & out all of the time. Really looking forward to this new look O & D, these changes could be great for both. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 @bitonti has been saying this about Leonard Williams for well over a year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joe W. Namath Posted August 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2019 Jet fans excuses for Leonard williams being terrible: 1- he gets double teamed 2- todd bowles 3- he gets too much playing time(this is the most hysterical imo) What other lame excuses am I missing? 7 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 While I get the concept in theory, if the player is one who needs to work on a limited snap count to be successful, then he simply isn't at the talent level to merit significant pay and is questionable to really even qualify as a "full-time starter". I have no doubt there are plenty of players who would benefit greatly from that situation, but the Jets have over-invested in their interior DL by such an excessive amount over the years, and gotten a fairly poor ROI, that it simply doesn't work as a reasonable option for them. If anything, such a circumstance would be the exact reason for that investment to be spread out over a larger group of mid-tier players, as opposed to constant doubling-down on supposed "big timers" who then need excuses for underachieving. Even if Leo does have a career year splitting reps with Quinnen and Anderson, do we really think he'll be worth the contract he'll likely come asking for to be a rotational player, when there are far greater needs throughout the entire roster? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurnleyJet Posted August 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Jet fans excuses for Leonard williams being terrible: 1- he gets double teamed 2- todd bowles 3- he gets too much playing time(this is the most hysterical imo) What other lame excuses am I missing? Nice guy, over drafted solid but unspectacular 3-4 run stuffing DE/DT. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #27TheDominator Posted August 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2019 Typical bunch of bullsh*t being spouted in this thread. Leonard Williams certainly isn't terrible. 300 lb men need some plays off during a game to go at 100%. Impact plays are rarely made when guys aren't going 100%. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, BurnleyJet said: Nice guy, over drafted solid but unspectacular 3-4 run stuffing DE/DT. When he gets 10+ sacks this year, and is in the backfield on a regular basis, let us know if you still have that opinion of him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Jet fans excuses for Leonard williams being terrible: 1- he gets double teamed 2- todd bowles 3- he gets too much playing time(this is the most hysterical imo) What other lame excuses am I missing? First question, in which season was he "terrible"? I almost stopped reading right there as the bias comes through loud and clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, genot said: When he gets 10+ sacks this year, and is in the backfield on a regular basis, let us know if you still have that opinion of him. I hope he does, buts he’s got 17 sacks in 4 year. Worth the 6th overall pick? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 If only Nathan Shepherd had more starts last season, Leo would've had more sacks. Everyone knows that you want your best players to play as little as possible. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drums Posted August 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Jet fans excuses for Leonard williams being terrible: 1- he gets double teamed 2- todd bowles 3- he gets too much playing time(this is the most hysterical imo) What other lame excuses am I missing? What's your excuse for being terrible? 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: 300 lb men need some plays off during a game to go at 100%. Hopefully we're done drafting 300 lbs men in the top 10, unless that 300 lbs man is a Left Tackle. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Drums said: What's your excuse for being terrible? He's only the 5th option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Hopefully we're done drafting 300 lbs men in the top 10, unless that 300 lbs man is a Left Tackle. Or Crusher. I'd draft him in a heartbeat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, Spoot-Face said: Or Crusher. I'd draft him in a heartbeat. Or Baby Crusher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: I hope he does, buts he’s got 17 sacks in 4 year. Worth the 6th overall pick? It's not a coincidence his best sack numbers were as a rookie, when teams were still worried about Wilkerson. Even though he was a lazy good for nothing. QW, will free up Leo, Leo will free up QW. If we get an edge rush from Polite, then it's party time on QB,s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, genot said: It's not a coincidence his best sack numbers were as a rookie, when teams were still worried about Wilkerson. Even though he was a lazy good for nothing. QW, will free up Leo, Leo will free up QW. If we get an edge rush from Polite, then it's party time on QB,s Yawn. This was supposed to happen with Wilkerson and Richardson teamed up too. All we got was guys who can't get off their blocks and QB's getting all day to throw. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said: Jet fans excuses for Leonard williams being terrible: 1- he gets double teamed 2- todd bowles 3- he gets too much playing time(this is the most hysterical imo) What other lame excuses am I missing? He's not a dominant player and has been a disappointment overall, but referring to him as "terrible" is pretty silly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: I hope he does, buts he’s got 17 sacks in 4 year. Worth the 6th overall pick? He is a good player... he wouldn’t be the number 1 lineman on TONS of teams. he’s not terrible but I don’t think he is any great shake. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yawn. This was supposed to happen with Wilkerson and Richardson teamed up too. All we got was guys who can't get off their blocks and QB's getting all day to throw. BIG disappointment. MO was the slowest “top lineman” I have ever seen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yawn. This was supposed to happen with Wilkerson and Richardson teamed up too. All we got was guys who can't get off their blocks and QB's getting all day to throw. Wilkerson was a dog. he played at half speed most of the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetster said: That was great insight into GW Wait, are you starting a whole new thread as a reaction to something from another thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, genot said: Wilkerson was a dog. he played at half speed most of the time. Wilkersons pre contract stats and performance blows Leonard Williams out of the water. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, genot said: When he gets 10+ sacks this year, and is in the backfield on a regular basis, let us know if you still have that opinion of him. you willing to put your money where you football acumen is? i gotta $100 says he dont get 10 sacks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Losmeister said: you willing to put your money where you football acumen is? i gotta $100 says he dont get 10 sacks. Your on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, genot said: It's not a coincidence his best sack numbers were as a rookie, when teams were still worried about Wilkerson. Even though he was a lazy good for nothing. QW, will free up Leo, Leo will free up QW. If we get an edge rush from Polite, then it's party time on QB,s Yet somehow this wasn't an issue for the extraordinarily less costly Henry Anderson in that same lineup last year. Let's just call it what it is. Leo is by no means a bad player, but in the end he's simply a solid starter who hasn't come close to living up to his billing. It's not magically everyone else's fault but his own that he's not what we had all hoped he would be. If he steps up his game this year, then the credit certainly belongs to him in the end, just as any disappointment has him to blame. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I'm hoping Q and Leo and get on the field together for an extended period of time. The only chance for the Jets to have a good defense is for those two guys to free each other up to eat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: Wilkersons pre contract stats and performance blows Leonard Williams out of the water. Wikerson had his best year when Williams was a rookie. Williams in his 2nd year had better numbers than Wilkerson. The only stat that Mo trumped Williams, was in sack numbers. All the the other metrics were basically the same. Exept in 2016. Mo had 4 sacks, Leo had 7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Losmeister said: you willing to put your money where you football acumen is? i gotta $100 says he dont get 10 sacks. Leo has 17 sacks in 4 years but hes going to get 10 plus this year? Hahahahahahaha. That will be the easiest $100 ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, genot said: Your on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cool. we have witnesses here. i have done this before and am good for the $ if i lose. dude with django avatar should also be good for it. makes the season more interesting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: Yet somehow this wasn't an issue for the extraordinarily less costly Henry Anderson in that same lineup last year. Let's just call it what it is. Leo is by no means a bad player, but in the end he's simply a solid starter who hasn't come close to living up to his billing. It's not magically everyone else's fault but his own that he's not what we had all hoped he would be. If he steps up his game this year, then the credit certainly belongs to him in the end, just as any disappointment has him to blame. Anderson played less than half the snaps leo did. he was brought in too rush the passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Losmeister said: cool. we have witnesses here. i have done this before and am good for the $ if i lose. dude with django avatar should also be good for it. makes the season more interesting... That's Lenny Breau. I'm good for it, for sure. The only stipulation is that he has to play the majority of games. Say 14??? That fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, genot said: That's Lenny Breau. I'm good for it, for sure. The only stipulation is that he has to play the majority of games. Say 14??? That fair? sho nuf. my bad re: django/breau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Losmeister said: sho nuf. my bad re: django/breau Shop early for the holidays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, genot said: That's Lenny Breau. I'm good for it, for sure. The only stipulation is that he has to play the majority of games. Say 14??? That fair? You should of held out for odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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