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If the offense is actually keeps us IN GAMES, it won't be as big a worry.  No matter how good our defense has been in the past few years it hasn't really mattered.  Since the other side of the ball could never be guaranteed to put up many points. So I am not as worried about the CB situation as I would have been before Sam arrived.

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Just now, jmat321 said:

It's been a decade of Defense, Defense, Defense in JetLand.  Done with it.  The team isn't winning the Super Bowl this year. Really do not see the point of wasting draft capital or decent players under contract for 3rd tier dbs.  I'd rather see the team go long with Offense for once.  We finish 6-10, but our young QB improves, I'm fine with it.  Rather that than limp to 8-8 while giving up mid round picks for a guy who won't be on the team in 2 years.  

I honestly don't want the Jets to invest draft capital in any players who will not stick around long term. So that means no players about to his FA, no players who are in their 30s, nobody who we are renting for a couple of years- offense or defense. Makes no sense to me. 

I get that the Jets may want to bring in a vet WR or O-lineman for Darnold to help develop him. But if they bring in a vet WR that means they will have to, in all likelihood, cut a young WR like Burnett or Dortch. If they bring in a vet O-lineman, that guy will have to very soon be replaced.  Those kinds of guys need to be brought in via FA before the draft IMO, and need to be quality players still in their prime.   

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Just now, Patriot Killa said:

I’m worried. 

It’s 2019 and more of a passing league than ever before. Cornerback is a premium position and you will absolutely get gashed trying to play rookie UDFA’s at #1 and #2. We at least need more experience and and in turn maybe some reliability back there because right now we have none. Kyron and Arthur have never even played a significant snap in this league yet. I’m absolutely worried.

It’s a passing league and all corners get gashed. What you need is a pass rush to limit the damage.

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Lotta shuffling, and good looks on paper JD just started. He will pay attention to both sides of the ball, No doubt. It takes time, we will get there and be out of the bottom of the league. Mark my words.

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1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

I’m worried. 

It’s 2019 and more of a passing league than ever before. Cornerback is a premium position and you will absolutely get gashed trying to play rookie UDFA’s at #1 and #2. We at least need more experience and and in turn maybe some reliability back there because right now we have none. Kyron and Arthur have never even played a significant snap in this league yet. I’m absolutely worried.

Don’t worry, we just signed Cooper

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It's going to be ugly league wide with the new PI review.  Now the secondary will be scrutinized more heavily than ever.

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1 minute ago, shuler82 said:

It’s a passing league and all corners get gashed. What you need is a pass rush to limit the damage.

You need both.

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Just now, shuler82 said:

It’s a passing league and all corners get gashed. What you need is a pass rush to limit the damage.

I think we’ll get gashed to an even higher extent if we trotted out and started who we have right now.blowing coverage assignments is one thing — and that will happen with these inexperienced guys but they’re rookie UDFA. The better WR’s of the league are going to FEAST on our corners in the technical aspect of it. They know how to make a corner stutter and get caught flipping his hips too late or faking him out on the route. There’s just a ton of exposing to be made by someone like OBJ when he’s across from Kyron Brown lol.

Just now, CanadienJetsFan said:

Don’t worry, we just signed Cooper

Actually liked him in FA for us a few years ago. Definitely not our savior though.

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9 minutes ago, jmat321 said:

It's been a decade of Defense, Defense, Defense in JetLand.  Done with it.  The team isn't winning the Super Bowl this year. Really do not see the point of wasting draft capital or decent players under contract for 3rd tier dbs.  I'd rather see the team go long with Offense for once.  We finish 6-10, but our young QB improves, I'm fine with it.  Rather that than limp to 8-8 while giving up mid round picks for a guy who won't be on the team in 2 years.  

The offense will have to average 25+ points per game to stay close in these games but I think some of these moves gives you hope that it is going towards that direction. 

  • Leveon Bell - play making running back who can catch out of the backfield.
  • Jamison Crowder - Second best slot WR in FA this year
  • KO/Kalil - 2 starting interior OL 
  • Enunwa/Montgomery/Wesco - gadget like players who can be role players this year to help you move the chains
  • Lewis/Compton/Harrison - much needed depth for the OL 
  • Adam Gase - Aggressive play calling QB coach for Darnold

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Defenses have been newtered by rules changes ... Clock management and timing out drives is far more important than a good defense. ...

Basically we are watching Madden now ....

Best offense and coaching staff usually win

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1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

I think we’ll get gashed to an even higher extent if we trotted out and started who we have right now.blowing coverage assignments is one thing — and that will happen with these inexperienced guys but they’re rookie UDFA. The better WR’s of the league are going to FEAST on our corners in the technical aspect of it. They know how to make a corner stutter and get caught flipping his hips too late or faking him out on the route. There’s just a ton of exposing to be made by someone like OBJ when he’s across from Kyron Brown lol.

Actually liked him in FA for us a few years ago. Definitely not our savior though.

Not to mention the NFCe.

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Just now, Apache 51 said:

Not to mention the NFCe.

We have some stiff competition as far as opposing WR cores go.

like others mentioned, it’d be slightly less damaging if we had a good pass rush but we’re also a barren wasteland in that area too, although, as I alluded to previously, I just feel like we’re really going to get burned badly either way with the quality of corners we have now. Average is the best we can ask for at this point.

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2 minutes ago, Rsherman28 said:

The offense will have to average 25+ points per game to stay close in these games but I think some of these moves gives you hope that it is going towards that direction. 

  • Leveon Bell - play making running back who can catch out of the backfield.
  • Jamison Crowder - Second best slot WR in FA this year
  • KO/Kalil - 2 starting interior OL 
  • Enunwa/Montgomery/Wesco - gadget like players who can be role players this year to help you move the chains
  • Lewis/Compton/Harrison - much needed depth for the OL 
  • Adam Gase - Aggressive play calling QB coach for Darnold

I think league average is 21/22 pt., so yes at least. D can hold to 20 points, but the O must continue to score 6's early and late, not 3's by ST's that has been the big fail of the O for long time.

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1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

We have some stiff competition as far as opposing WR cores go.

like others mentioned, it’d be slightly less damaging if we had a good pass rush but we’re also a barren wasteland in that area too, although, as I alluded to previously, I just feel like we’re really going to get burned badly either way with the quality of corners we have now. Average is the best we can ask for at this point.

Especially since Philly and Dallas have excellent OL's.

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1 minute ago, Apache 51 said:

Especially since Philly and Dallas have excellent OL's.

If Tru comes back for week 1 and we trade maybe a 5th for Cravens from Philly, I’d feel so much better with 

Tru/Cravens/D.Roberts/Poole/Nickerson

 

even though that isn’t some star studded secondary, if healthy, they could at least be average.

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Not really. I’ve said it before, this is a QB league. Even the bad ones get 300 yards passing in many games. Defense should be built to create turnovers and occasional stops, giving our offense extra possessions. If by some chanvce your D can shut teams down, that’s nice, but it’s the anomaly - and shouldn’t be an expectation.

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Philly, NE,, Balt, Pitt  etc. are the benchmark fellas, not Mia,Buff, Jax, Clev..OAK. think long term, not short term.

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2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

If Tru comes back for week 1 and we trade maybe a 5th for Cravens from Philly, I’d feel so much better with 

Tru/Cravens/D.Roberts/Poole/Nickerson

 

even though that isn’t some star studded secondary, if healthy, they could at least be average.

Yup.  We should not mortgage the future, but we should nto be giving up on the season either.  8 years of bad football is enough.  I will not be content with another season where we are out of it by Thanksgiving.  Or Halloween.  Not saying we are a playoff team, but at the very least, we should be playing meaningful football in December.

There are moves that can be made to improve the CB situation.  Hoepfully Tru is ready and healthy for week 1 (and plays better than last year). I am not preapred to mortgage the future to trade premium picks for a vet who will get big $$ as well.  But I am not preapred to give up on the season either.

 

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2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Not really. I’ve said it before, this is a QB league. Even the bad ones get 300 yards passing in many games. Defense should be built to create turnovers and occasional stops, giving our offense extra possessions. If by some chanvce your D can shut teams down, that’s nice, but it’s the anomaly - and shouldn’t be an expectation.

I feel like you can control more and suppress the damage this new passing league naturally puts on defenses with at least better quality corners than what we have and that may be the difference in an incompletion or a 60 yard bomb in the 4th that we cannot come back from.

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1 minute ago, Lith said:

Yup.  We should not mortgage the future, but we should nto be giving up on the season either.  8 years of bad football is enough.  I will not be content with another season where we are out of it by Thanksgiving.  Or Halloween.  Not saying we are a playoff team, but at the very least, we should be playing meaningful football in December.

There are moves that can be made to improve the CB situation.  Hoepfully Tru is ready and healthy for week 1 (and plays better than last year). I am not preapred to mortgage the future to trade premium picks for a vet who will get big $$ as well.  But I am not preapred to give up on the season either.

 

Well said. That’s why a 5th rounder feels right. Hell maybe even a 4th if absolutely needed. Not a premium pick but something of value that can close a deal.

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Sure if our offense can outscore other teams we can get by without decent corners.

Otherwise we at least need adequate corners plus a defensive system that minimizes their weaknesses. Any defense with an ineffective secondary is going to get killed in a pass-hungry league but at the same time we cannot rely on buying two good CBs and think they can put the entire defense on their shoulders. Douglas needs to improve the position this year and next but Williams also needs to scheme around the current staff. As the current defensive roster stands offenses will have trouble passing over the middle but without a great pass rush and questionable corners QBs will have time to wait for their receivers to beat the corners and hit long passes along the sidelines.

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41 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I’m worried. 

It’s 2019 and more of a passing league than ever before. Cornerback is a premium position and you will absolutely get gashed trying to play rookie UDFA’s at #1 and #2. We at least need more experience and in turn maybe some reliability back there because right now we have none. Kyron and Arthur have never even played a significant snap in this league yet. I’m absolutely worried. I’m not saying trade a premium pick but Darryl Roberts is our best corner right now. That’s sickening.

I'd be worried if we were a Super Bowl Contender, but we haven't even been to the playoffs in 9 seasons.  Add in a 2nd yr QB, New HC/GM.  How much better are a couple jag corners really going to make us?  At this point, any trading partner is going to fleece us, just not worth the expense.  Save those pics for next offseason, whether we use them to draft players, trade up or trade for vets.  

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17 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I feel like you can control more and suppress the damage this new passing league naturally puts on defenses with at least better quality corners than what we have and that may be the difference in an incompletion or a 60 yard bomb in the 4th that we cannot come back from.

I feel like the teams that do what you’re saying, more often do it with pass rush. Rules basically neuter CBs. I’m not speaking in absolutes, there are examples of corners that can ball, but they are few. Front-7 that can take over a game is more realistic.

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5 minutes ago, jmat321 said:

I'd be worried if we were a Super Bowl Contender, but we haven't even been to the playoffs in 9 seasons.  Add in a 2nd yr QB, New HC/GM.  How much better are a couple jag corners really going to make us?  At this point, any trading partner is going to fleece us, just not worth the expense.  Save those pics for next offseason, whether we use them to draft players, trade up or trade for vets.  

feel like we’re a playoff contender with a better cornerback stable. I’m sick of losing and don’t really buy into ignoring the position because of previous years. Darnold’s cheap rookie contract is on year 2 now. Le’Veon Bell and CJ Mosley are in their prime. Osemele is a beast but will not be the guy he is forever and ever.

It’s time. 

No more playing to be decent and seeing where it goes the next year.

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Bad corners = quick offensive possessions for the opposing team = more possessions for Darnold.  

If 2019 is all about Darnold, having bad corner play actually helps him, no?  lol.  

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I’m okay with Tru (under G. Williams), Daryl Roberts as #2, & Poole in slot, because I don’t think overall we are title contenders this year. This year is establishing Sam Darnold, a new system/culture, and trying to make the playoffs.

If I felt we were a good corner away from winning it, I’d be up in arms about trading for a big name.

My biggest concern is the lack of quality depth at cb Mac left us with. Douglas made a couple of moves, but there isn’t many to make. If he can trade a mid-late-rounder for a young corner with upside I’d be all for it and fee better about our chances of clinching a wild card this year.

Save the big corner move (fa or draft) until next season.

 

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40 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

I think league average is 21/22 pt., so yes at least. D can hold to 20 points, but the O must continue to score 6's early and late, not 3's by ST's that has been the big fail of the O for long time.

I know its preseason but it was nice to see the offense of the first drive go down and score a touchdown. I can't even remember how many times we did that last year, lol maybe twice

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