The Polite Question. What’s the answer?

[Rangers9]

Just a hunch but I think this guy will be ok if not better than ok. Macc took a chance on him but I felt then and now this guy could have a big upside. 

[Peace Frog]

Just now, T0mShane said:

The pro-Polite people are clinging to this idea that he’s actually a good athlete underneath all that fat and he’s still fat six months later and he looks like he’s running with sandbags for feet, but it’s the people pointing to the facts that are crazy. 

I’m not “pro” Polite. 

I just think it’s silly to cut a 21 year old 3rd round pick before he, you know, turns 22. 

The draft capital has, rightly or wrongly, already been spent. Let’s see if he has a coupon in his pocket. 

Plenty of back end roster guys we can sneak onto the practice squad. He’s not preventing a star at number 53 from making the roster. 

[Peace Frog]

2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Just a hunch but I think this guy will be ok if not better than ok. Macc took a chance on him but I felt then and now this guy could have a big upside. 

Apparently the computer models say NO so therefore we have to cut him. Now. Not another snap in practice or preseason. 

His potential is capped by his athleticism or some such horsesh*t. 

Dudes 21, folks should relax. 

[BROOKLYN JET]

I was hoping and still am that he will be a threat off the edge, but he's looking more and more like a typical Macc pick, out in ≤ 3.

[kdels62]

16 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

In 3-1/2 quarters of preseason football. 

Got it. 

No. The combine shows a lack of athleticism. The negative reports and pro day performance show lack of motivation and dedication. The preseason shows the continuation of a trend. 

The reality is that our front 7 is loaded with guys that have flashed, are established, or currently look solid. Who do you cut for a 3rd rounder that hasn’t shown anything and has either limited potential or lacks work ethic?

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

I’m not “pro” Polite. 

I just think it’s silly to cut a 21 year old 3rd round pick before he, you know, turns 22. 

The draft capital has, rightly or wrongly, already been spent. Let’s see if he has a coupon in his pocket. 

Plenty of back end roster guys we can sneak onto the practice squad. He’s not preventing a star at number 53 from making the roster. 

I get what you’re saying, but they’re in a bind because you can’t keep a backup OLB who isn’t going to contribute on special teams, and if Polite is just that slow or out of shape, he isn’t helping you on specials. There are back-end roster guys in every camp, every year who flash as a pass rusher who never get a sniff because those roster spots are for maniacs who block on kick and punt returns. Can Polite do that? Will he? That’s how he’s keeping a job right now, because it doesn’t appear that he’s ready to contribute as a rotational specialist. Some of his pass-rush attempts on Thursday were comically pathetic, and those were against dudes who will never see the field in a regular season game.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Dudes 21, folks should relax.

Dudes do not get more athletic when they hit 24

[Jetster]

I focused in on him & I have to say, he sure as hell doesn't pass the eye test. He looked completely lost, no power, no speed, and he looks fat & out of shape. Did I miss anything? 

Tonight I'm gonna watch the Pats & take a look at Winovich. Something tells me I'm gonna want to kick Macc in the gonads if we ever cross paths. 

 

[Peace Frog]

8 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

No. The combine shows a lack of athleticism. The negative reports and pro day performance show lack of motivation and dedication. The preseason shows the continuation of a trend. 

The reality is that our front 7 is loaded with guys that have flashed, are established, or currently look solid. Who do you cut for a 3rd rounder that hasn’t shown anything and has either limited potential or lacks work ethic?

So you cut him now, right?  Sounds smart. 

Our roster is just SO stocked with talent that there isn't one or 2 guys at the bottom of it we couldn't easily sneak onto the PS.

It's like we're a powerhouse.

I get it, you absolutely hate the guy.

Glad you're not pulling the strings.

 

[Peace Frog]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Dudes do not get more athletic when they hit 24

Dudes get stronger and smarter. I think I became a better athlete into my early mid-20's than when I was 21.  Of course I'm a competitive cheese straightener but I think the same concepts apply.  

He had the ability to get to the QB at Florida, he gets stronger and smarter about the NFL game and one never does know, do one.

[kelly]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Dudes do not get more athletic when they hit 24

[BROOKLYN JET]

2 minutes ago, kelly said:

Can't wait to see Polite in a dress.

[Peace Frog]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I get what you’re saying, but they’re in a bind because you can’t keep a backup OLB who isn’t going to contribute on special teams, and if Polite is just that slow or out of shape, he isn’t helping you on specials. There are back-end roster guys in every camp, every year who flash as a pass rusher who never get a sniff because those roster spots are for maniacs who block on kick and punt returns. Can Polite do that? Will he? That’s how he’s keeping a job right now, because it doesn’t appear that he’s ready to contribute as a rotational specialist. Some of his pass-rush attempts on Thursday were comically pathetic, and those were against dudes who will never see the field in a regular season game.

And by your own admission, he's fat and out of shape.

Kids a knucklehead. BMOC at Florida, thought he owned the world.

He has just had a rude awakening.

What happens if a guy takes him under his wing, bangs some sense into his head, humbles him, helps him get into shape and reach his NFL potential.

A guy like...The President?  ?

[kdels62]

2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

So you cut him now, right?  Sounds smart. 

Our roster is just SO stocked with talent that there isn't one or 2 guys at the bottom of it we couldn't easily sneak onto the PS.

It's like we're a powerhouse.

I get it, you absolutely hate the guy.

Glad you're not pulling the strings.

 

I don’t hate the guy. I don’t like him as a prospect and I didn’t before the draft. If he was showing something I’d be hyped that all evidence to his potential failure was wrong. But it’s not what is happening, what is happening is that the metrics and performance are aligning. 

What I don’t like is that his status as a 3rd rounder is considered merit to his position on the roster. 

[BROOKLYN JET]

4 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

And by your own admission, he's fat and out of shape.

Kids a knucklehead. BMOC at Florida, thought he owned the world.

He has just had a rude awakening.

What happens if a guy takes him under his wing, bangs some sense into his head, humbles him, helps him get into shape and reach his NFL potential.

A guy like...The President?  ?

 

[Peace Frog]

Just now, kdels62 said:

What I don’t like is that his status as a 3rd rounder is considered merit to his position on the roster. 

This has been the way of the NFL forever.

Draft capital catches breaks, fairly or unfairly.

You know this yet you're letting yourself get agitated for no reason.

Polite being the 53 man v somebody we stash on the practice squad is not going to break this team.

And yeah, you hate the guy,  It comes out in every post of yours.  Which is fine but it is clouding your ability to look at it objectively.

I don't love the guy or hate they guy. I'm rooting for him because he's a Jet and we spent draft capital on him so my "subjectivity" moves me towards more objective patience. 

There is zero reason to cut him.

[Rangers9]

When we drafted him I was thinking of this guy as a pass rushing specialist, a 3rd down guy not a 4 down guy. Maybe STs. 

[Mogglez]

I cannot begin to tell you how mindless it is to think that we're going to cut Polite not even a full year into his rookie season; nor can I tell you how unbelievably stupid it is to think that we should.

For better or worse, he will be here.

[kelly]

12 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

Can't wait to see Polite in a dress.

might be a few years..

[Jet Nut]

9 hours ago, kdels62 said:

Yes, the team can cut him now and evidence states that he should be cut. I don’t think we will be cut but I’m not holding out hope for a turn around. 

At this point our front 7 is so deep that keeping Polite means cutting from somewhere else. Is the hope that Polite has been lazy during the most critical parts of the career worth a roster spot? If his potential is capped by his athleticism, do you keep a backup caliber player at the expense of depth?

 

Who are we losing to mindlessly cut our 3rd round pick far to early?

Once again why fans never become GMs

[kdels62]

10 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

This has been the way of the NFL forever.

Draft capital catches breaks, fairly or unfairly.

You know this yet you're letting yourself get agitated for no reason.

Polite being the 53 man v somebody we stash on the practice squad is not going to break this team.

And yeah, you hate the guy,  It comes out in every post of yours.  Which is fine but it is clouding your ability to look at it objectively.

I don't love the guy or hate they guy. I'm rooting for him because he's a Jet and we spent draft capital on him so my "subjectivity" moves me towards more objective patience. 

There is zero reason to cut him.

No one is agitated. And your post does put a lot of assumption onto me so maybe tone it back.

I just don’t see the point in a meritocracy to keep a guy with little merit. 

Do I want Polite to succeed? Of course I do. That’s not gonna change what is true and what isn’t. Hoping that he was lazy and that laziness was hiding a great athlete isn’t reasonable, it’s wishful thinking. It ignores the evidence. 

I’ve conceded that I think he’ll make the roster but this little to point towards besides his draft position.

[BROOKLYN JET]

3 minutes ago, kelly said:

might be a few years..

I'll take your word for it.

[kdels62]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Who are we losing to mindlessly cut our 3rd round pick far to early?

Once again why fans never become GMs

What do we gain from keeping him? 

[Jet_Engine1]

24 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Dudes get stronger and smarter. I think I became a better athlete into my early mid-20's than when I was 21.  Of course I'm a competitive cheese straightener but I think the same concepts apply.  

He had the ability to get to the QB at Florida, he gets stronger and smarter about the NFL game and one never does know, do one.

Stronger is different. The strongest I've been in my life was 3 years ago at 45 years old. Fastest? When I was about 17. LOL. I could run a mile in about 5 minutes back then for track. The Army destroyed my knees though, so what do I know? Maybe I could have gotten faster...

[Peace Frog]

4 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

And your post does put a lot of assumption onto me so maybe tone it back.

 

Maybe you tone back sh*tting on the guy and I'll tone it back some.

Or not. 

4 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

That’s not gonna change what is true and what isn’t. Hoping that he was lazy and that laziness was hiding a great athlete isn’t reasonable, it’s wishful thinking. It ignores the evidence. 

More conjecture.  You have ZERO idea what an individual is going to do.  All your evidence relates to a pool of different individuals grouped together.

That does not control the future of a single individual. 

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

What do we gain from keeping him? 

Other than the thought that he may become the first round type plyer who some thought he was?  Instead of cutting him for one the end of the roster scrubs never will see the field? Some UDFA?

[Beerfish]

The '3rd round pick' aspect is totally irrelevant because he was a 3rd round pick for mccagnan.  If Douglas had him rated as do not draft or a very low pick there is ZERO loyalty to keep him and not matter how he turns out.  The Jets traded Lee  for a 6th rounder when all the loyalist said, lets see what he can do with gregg williams!

If they can keep him then they will try but I don;t see the new regime getting rid of a guy they like better or not picking up a guy they like better from another team just because polite was a 3rd rounder.

If you look like and play like a 7th rounder or udfa a new regime could care less if you were a 3rd rounder.

[Peace Frog]

15 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Who are we losing to mindlessly cut our 3rd round pick far to early?

Once again why fans never become GMs

Our roster is so stocked we're cutting pro-bowlers at the bottom.

[Peace Frog]

19 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I cannot begin to tell you how mindless it is to think that we're going to cut Polite not even a full year into his rookie season; nor can I tell you how unbelievably stupid it is to think that we should.

For better or worse, he will be here.

Not a full year.

3-1/2 quarters of 2 preseason games.

Mind-boggling.

[BROOKLYN JET]

11 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Maybe you tone back sh*tting on the guy and I'll tone it back some.

Or not. 

More conjecture.  You have ZERO idea what an individual is going to do.  All your evidence relates to a pool of different individuals grouped together.

That does not control the future of a single individual. 

It certainly seems to be projecting correctly.

While anomalies can rarely occur, the numbers are not in his favor.

I was hopeful Polite would surprise, but so far he has not, and there is even less reason to believe he will now.

[Rangers9]

I hope that Gase and Douglas aren't petty enough to cut a prospect just because they didn't draft him. I don't see it sometimes actually Macc was accused of that cutting guys he didn't select. Gase seems to like Sam and that was Macc's selection and he had to trade up to get him. It could end up being one of the best all time personnel moves in Jets history. It's not there yet but so far looks like a great deal. 

[Peace Frog]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The '3rd round pick' aspect is totally irrelevant because he was a 3rd round pick for mccagnan.  If Douglas had him rated as do not draft or a very low pick there is ZERO loyalty to keep him and not matter how he turns out.  The Jets traded Lee  for a 6th rounder when all the loyalist said, lets see what he can do with gregg williams!

If they can keep him then they will try but I don;t see the new regime getting rid of a guy they like better or not picking up a guy they like better from another team just because polite was a 3rd rounder.

If you look like and play like a 7th rounder or udfa a new regime could care less if you were a 3rd rounder.

I get that but he was a fairly highly rated prospect.

It's not as if he was thought of as a 7th round or UDFA talent--he was always though of as a day 2 pick.

That means folks though he had talent.  To be fair, he f*cked all of that up but you don't throw away talent until you figure out whether there is something there or not. Regardless of who drafted you.  Maybe Douglass had him rated in the 4th round.  Better than a 7th or UDFA. 

I think those of us in favor of not cutting him are of the view that we just don't know, yet--we CAN'T know yet.

Those is favor of cutting him are of the view that he never should have been drafted therefore he needs to be cut immediately.

[Peace Frog]

2 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

but so far he has not

So far.  It's like we're on mile 23 of the NYC marathon rather than on the GWB stuck in a mass of humanity.  

[BROOKLYN JET]

Just now, Peace Frog said:

So far.  It's like we're on mile 23 of the NYC marathon rather than on the GWB stuck in a mass of humanity.  

Yup and all the tell tale signs of him being another horrible Macc pic are there.

I hope he turns it around, but would not be surprised if he's gone this year or next.

[TheClashFan]

Context is important here. How does Douglas feel about this team right now? Does he think they can be serious playoff contenders? If so, then the roster might reflect more of a "win now" approach, and Polite might get cut.  Or, does D look at this season as rebuild/evaluate.  Then, you certainly keep Polite, keep him working hard, and see what happens down the line, even if you have to have him inactive some or most weeks.

I'm not optimistic about him at all; he might just be a low NFL IQ guy who never gets what he needs to do to succeed at this level.  But I'm guessing that Douglas will hang onto him at least for this year and see if JP develops at all.