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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

He looked so, so bad. No burst at all, slow, chubby, and non-competitive. If he was a UDFA, he’d be gone in the next round of cuts

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22 minutes ago, Bugg said:

"He has not shown the ability to win with his athleticism or speed that he once did he in college." Sounds like what we might have in Polite. You can blow up SEC OL guys with sheer speed, without technique nor strength. That's not going to work when every tackle is 6'6", 300+, moves like a cat  and bench presses a Honda Accord. 

He's raw. So was Dee Ford. Took him two years to learn how to beat lineman in the NFL, and not get swallowed up. At Florida, he rarely played in a 3 point stance. he's learning. He was never going to be more than a situational pass rusher his rookie year. Williams is having him do things he's never done before, and it shows.

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1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

Dee Ford had all of the athleticism in the world, Polite has mush for brains and mush for a body. 

Those are general statements, that don't get to the point of the comparison. As far as the personal attacks against someone you don't know, and never worked out with. Well.......

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7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Thanks for the in depth, factual scouting report.

Mush for brains?

Mush for a body?

You have to try hard to sound like this.

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Just now, Philc1 said:

The answer:

 

trade Leo and a future first for Clowney

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1 minute ago, kdels62 said:

These statements are not general. You can look up the metrics that show that Polite and Ford are at completely different levels of athleticism. 

While you’re second point is mostly a distraction from your inability to really have a valid point, I’ll concede that I don’t know that his brain is mush. I do know that he’s a player with motivation and work ethic concerns. I also know that relative to his peers he’s neither athletic nor is he in the best shape, which has no relation to my lack of athleticism.

If you want to throw out his game film, and totally disregard it. be my guest. When you look out his film, it doesn't support your argument. His workout numbers do. the best thing for everybody, at this point, is to chill, and see if he develops. Dee ford was a non-factor his 1st two years in the league. Substitute Polite for Ford, people would have been yelling bust, bust, bust.

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3 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Another year with zero pass rush yay

I have a $100 bet that Leo has 10 plus sacks this year. if i lose, i will pay up!!!!!usatsi_11543572.jpg.864e60244f13720a34e25a7e225db726.jpg

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3 minutes ago, BROOKLYN JET said:

Yes, I honestly believe you are blind.

Basham has reached his ceiling. he's been in the league for 4 years. After two practice games, i doubt any defensive coach for the Jet's think Polite has. I hope not.

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7 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Freaks that just can’t get over Mac. 

I doubt they would even read the article, or rewatch his highlights at Florida. He didn't play in the Big east. He played in the SEC.

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2 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Seriously stop what? You asked a hypothetical. I answered. And yes Basham’s role as a 4-3 DE would be more valuable than an undersized OLB that’s struggling to rush the passer against 2 and 3rd string tackles. It provides the roster with flexibility in case of bad luck.

Acting like the bottom of the roster is unimportant is how you end up with bad special teams and picking up street FAs and starting then after 1 practices 

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4 minutes ago, RobR said:

You're still missing the point. It's not about what they did in college but how they project at the NFL level. Every single metric says Polite will be a bust at the NFL level. Just because he had ONE good season in college doesn't mean it translates when he has has to go against NFL quality players. Why is that so hard too understand?

I don't care about the metrics. It's not the stats, that tell the  story. It's how he got them. No offense to you, personally, but those metrics are available to every team, scouting a player. Despite bombing at the combine, and taking a crap during the interviews, many teams still viewed him as a high, or mid round pic.

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13 minutes ago, RobR said:

Then I'll pose the same question too you that I posed to PF, which he keeps stepping around. Show me ONE player with his metrics that is a good passrusher at the NFL level. Just ONE.

Justin Houston, Demarcus Ware, Jerry Hughes, did not measure that well at the combine. They performed better than Polite. Let's not di'scount poor preperation, bad hamstring, etc, etc. Sounds like his agent took him to Mcdonalds every day to bulk up.

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4 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

Along with Polite the Jets have at least one other under performing higher draft pick D linemen, Nathan Shepherd a guy who was a stretch and so far doesn't have it. 

Entering the NFL from Fort Hays St, it was predictable that he'd struggle his 1st year. Lets see if he's able to step up his game.

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4 minutes ago, RobR said:

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Huh? All of those players were light years away from what Polite did. LIGHT YEARS. 

Maybe you can explain why his pro day was even worse after he healed up his fake hamstring injury. If you followed the combine you would know that there was a ton of speculation about his supposed hamstring injury.  

All those guys ran in the mid 4.6s. Nothing special, just like their other combine numbers. I have no idea why he farted at the combine and pro day. All i know Rob, is that the guy at Florida, who wore 99, showed me burst, great bend, and closing ability, in a conference that has loads of real good players on both sides of the ball

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10 minutes ago, RobR said:

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Huh? All of those players were light years away from what Polite did. LIGHT YEARS. 

Maybe you can explain why his pro day was even worse after he healed up his fake hamstring injury. If you followed the combine you would know that there was a ton of speculation about his supposed hamstring injury.  

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1 minute ago, RobR said:

Those guys did that when they were much heavier and you're leaving out every other metric like agility drills and jumps. Guys like Houston and Ware jumped through the roof with all of the other metrics too back it up. Polite failed at every single layer when it comes too testing. You're comparing guys that ran 4.6 vs. a guy that was around 5.0 or even higher during his proday.

I already said that Polite had good tape at UF his last year. Problem is that people with his profile don't succeed in the NFL especially at the passrusher position. Please prove me wrong by naming one player over the last 20+ years that succeeded in the NFL with Polites metrics. You can't because they don't exist and now we're expecting Polite to be that guy. Give me a break.

I hope Polite turns out great but I'm not letting blind homerism cloud my vision. 

Like i said before. I have no idea why he took a dump at his combine and pro-day. When you look at his film, he doesn't look anything like the player who tested so poorly at the combine. 4.84 40. Dlineman have better 40's. The tape and the metrics are at complete odds with each other. I don't have an explanation.

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6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s not really worth it trying to convince a guy that thinks a 4.6/40 by a 250+ pound guy is in the same universe as running a 5.01/40.  It’s not even a critical metric, compared to three-cone, vert, and broad jump. But, alas 

 

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I said they didn't perform as well as expected, but put up better numbers than Polite. Im disregarding the metrics with regards to Polite. As i said in my last post to RobR, the test numbers, and the game tape are at complete odds with each other.

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4 minutes ago, RobR said:

The explanation was he was an undersized player who could get by with one move at the collegiate level. Now try and add 20+ pounds to his frame so he can play in the NFL and he is the ultimate fail. 

After two exhibition games he is. By that standard so is QW.

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13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I wouldn’t say they’re at complete odds, but I’ll agree with you that he looks more athletic in his highlights. I don’t think he can play at 240+ pounds, and I think his best path is to take a few months and get into shape at 235-ish. Either he’s incredibly lazy or he’s getting some incredibly bad advice. 

That's my belief. That bad advice cost him big bucks, no question about it. Never heard anything about him being lazy in college, or from Gregg Williams.

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is what his DC in college said about him: that he’s talented but has some issues that are going to be revealed if he came out early. Given that they’re issues that may have been resolved with another year in school, it’s likely Grantham is referring to immaturity, which was well on display throughout the draft process. Serious prospects don’t show up to the Combine fat and belligerent, then blame others for the fatness. 

 

 

 

Good post Tom. Yes, i can't disagree with that. He needed people around him to explain and guide him through the pre draft process. Those people failed him. Polite though, bears the ultimate responsibility.

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2 minutes ago, RobR said:

Don't forget most people questioned him about his fake hamstring injury during the combine. Point was proven during his proday......but did you see his F tape, whatever the hell that is.

He's getting slower by the month. probably runs a 8.5 40, now.

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1 minute ago, RobR said:

Nah, He's still faster than Eisen.

Demarcus Lawrence RobR. Demarcus Lawrence

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3 minutes ago, RobR said:

I fail too see how Lawrence performed anywhere near what Polite did. It's not even close but I'll give you another try.

Hr ran a 4.81 40 Rob. Only performed slightly better in the vertical jump. I know that wouldn't convince you. Like the Jeffrey Epstein suicide, things just don't add up. His game tape doe's not show a slow, plodding, unathletic football player.

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4 minutes ago, RobR said:

He performed better than him at every single aspect by a far margin.   

4.81 compared to a 4.84, is a wide margin. Your not serious. are you.

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2 minutes ago, RobR said:

What does the last two games that you watched show? 

Tells me nothing. If he still looks that way halfway through the season, then i'll be concerned. Still wouldn't label him a bust. i would be concerned.

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To RobR, TomShane, and others, i'll talk to you, or read your thoughts in other threads.

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16 minutes ago, genot said:

To RobR, TomShane, and others, i'll talk to you, or read your thoughts in other threads.

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18 minutes ago, RobR said:

I can only imagine how many draft profiles you pulled up in the last 2 days. Props for your hard work.

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By the end of the year, this thread,[dedicated to one player],will have over a million replies.

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39 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

This isn't anything specific to Polite, but how do all the combine is meaningless #lookatthetape guys feel about him?  To them he is a 1st rounder?  Do they see a reason he might have fell? 

His interviews i think are the reason he dropped. I believe he said he's never watched film of himself. That hurt, for sure. How do you improve if you can't properly critique yourself. Hopefully, he's maturing. He certainly has respect for his DC, here. Im sure

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