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4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

listed at 258 on espn, but at 242 on UF's website.  looked slower than in college.  probably still adjusting to the added weight.

I think this is a factor for sure.  His first step was lightning in college and his bend was ridiculous.  He would come out like a rocket and get all gumby to get the ball.  Clearly he wasnt able to keep his speed with extra weight, so I'm sure he's adjusting on the fly till he gets to where he needs to be.  Another reason why he probably makes the 53.  The coaching staff has to know he's still not at his ideal playing weight. 

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17 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

then the question becomes, is he being asked to stay at this weight or is he just overweight for him?  he looked even slimmer at UF than the 242 listed, closer to 230.  also think this played a role in his poor combine.

 

10 minutes ago, RobR said:

By his own admission he said he played at 235lbs. his last year at UF.

It was one of the myriad of reasons why I didn't want us to draft him. There are a total of zero passrushers in the NFL that are under 240 and all of the most successful ones are north of 250.

I think Polite was being told this hence why he gained weight.  I think he just did it really sloppy and didnt have the right guidance around him to pull it off properly.  

To answer your question; I have no idea where the coaching staff wants him to be but like Rob said he was playing at the 235 range in college.  Maybe they're asking him to hold 10 or so lbs and he's still adjusting or maybe he suckes.  Dont know.  It's his 2nd preseason game.  Nobody does. 

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7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Wow, two weeks ago you were dunking on Polite haters after he beat someone named Eric Smith for a sack in practice and now you're back to saying, "hey, he has a few weeks to show a pulse, you guys." What a spineless #walkback from you.

Ummm, no. I’m saying the exact same thing I said 2 weeks ago.  

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This thread is good entertainment.  I'm not sure who I'm cheering for though because I kind of apply to both factions. 

The people who want to be right on the interwebz for credibility vs. fans who just hope that Polite can buck the measurements and show what he was in college...the player who once received Houston/Ware comparisons from his Defensive Coordinator who supposedly hates him because he's a turd.

I love being right, I laughed at the Polite pick but also understand that you take players like Polite in the 3rd round.  1st round talent with flags.  I'm also of the mind that his career hasnt been written in his first month even knowing that he'd be bucking a very strong statistical trend.  I'm also a Gator.

Ugh.  Decisions. 

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26 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

The thing with Polite is that he sure doesn't look 5.0 40 on youtube.  His first step is no joke.  I am willing to bet that he is faster than that.  As a GM you take the gamble that he can right the ship.  Believe that it was his hamstring, or whatever.  OTOH, 9 times out of 10, these guys time poorly because of poor work ethic, they're just not that fast, etc. 

Hence the reason he was a third round pick and probably a good reason he shouldnt be written off in 5 weeks into his professional career.

 

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22 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

This. 

Also, if you actually re-watch the ATL game, he's not the elephant man some would have you believe he is.  But you would have to re-watch the game.  

I watched him.  This board is dramatic.  He looked ok.  Not fat, not lazy.  Just meh.  He did have a couple of good pursuits, tackles and a couple of flat footed plays where he looked hesitant.  Which makes sense.  He's being asked to do stuff he's never had to do before which I'm sure takes an adjustment.

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1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

I'm not so sure.  If the coaches feel he really is a slow, lazy player and I can totally see giving up on him super quickly.  Not that I have any idea what he actually is at this point.

You're not so sure but you're sure the coaching staff would be so sure but you have no idea what is actually going on.

Dropping knowledge!

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You sounded pretty unsure too, and you're a Gator guy.  

Reminds me of when we drafted Geno Smith, and I asked a friend who went to West Virginia what he thought of him.  His response told me all I needed to know.  "Ehhh........"

Pretty unsure about what, specifically?  If he's going to be a good Football player?  Sure, I'm unsure.  Just like I'm unsure if Quinnen Williams is going to be worth the 3rd overall pick and that unsureness level gets even lower as you move down the rounds of the draft. 

Otherwise, I think I've been pretty clear that I'm 100% sure I'm not ready to make the determination on Jachai Polite 5 weeks into his pro career.

 

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12 minutes ago, Lith said:

To me, this would be the only justification for cutting the guy at the end of preseason -- if he is out of shape, overweight, not working hard, not taking coaching, then cut his ass and move on.  If the kid is working hard, trying to learn to be a pro, busitng his ass on the pracice field and in the film room; then give the kid a chance,

Agreed and by all reports, he's been that kid.  If he wasnt, we'd be hearing about it.  Daily.  Yet, what we hear is that he's having good practices, moving up, all over the field, getting a sacks vs. Edoga and in the scrimmage, etc.  Not the same as the experts on the board and their analysis on his preseason game but I'm sure both will be taken into consider come roster trimming time.

 

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10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

My point was that you're a Gator guy, and still can't bring yourself to get really excited about Polite despite a productive final season there, and its pretty telling.  Hence why he's kind of like the Geno Smith of Florida.  

Depends on your definition of "really excited", I guess.  lol

I'm here saying I'm not ready to cut him 5 weeks into his pro career because of who he was in college despite knowing he'd be a statistical anomaly.

I think that's more telling and then whatever you think it is that I'm telling.  

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16 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

This is all about how he played against Atlanta?  I didn't really notice him and didn't think that meant anything.  I watched the game on my phone while I changed the oil in my wife's car and I only have only gotten through the 1st quarter on the big screen.

I don't have any special knowledge on Polite.  The only thing I said was that if he really is as slow as he timed, he will be cut sooner rather than later.

It's like the devil child of the "Polite is a bust" thread. 

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5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 

@Jetsfan80 - how piqued is your interest now?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Boner-rific.  Hopefully this isn't just getting excited about a seeing eye single.  

He beat Edoga too.  Both soft little dribblers to 3rd base?  lol

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9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I went to a teacher’s college and this is how we talk about recent alumni who get through their first year without ******* a student 

I went to a University so I didnt have to be a teacher. 

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