Popular Post Barkus Posted August 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2019 Hey boys here's a little write-up on what I saw last night. I'll break it down by position. Caveat, I can't comment too much on the line play. It's hard to follow the qb and skill players and then line play also. QB: Sam is the real deal. You don't even need to see the Jersey # to know when he is out there. Almost all his passes are crisp and on-point. He throws pinpoint lasers out there most of the time. It is also noticeable during game play that he tries too push the ball down the field and he also can use the whole field sideline to sideline. Simien- There is a drop off in arm strength from Sam. It is noticeable on outs to the sideline. The ball doesn't get there as fast. Most of Simien's big pass plays were on crossers and in-cuts between the numbers. In game play he is more of a dinker and dunker. He seemed reasonably accurate. Looks like decent backup IMO. Falk- got in sooner than Webb for whatever that's worth. Looks similar to Simien with even less arm strength. Webb- better arm than falk but that's about only good thing I can say. The least accurate of all the qbs. Had some high throws where WR had no chance on sideline routes, threw a fade 5yds out of the EZ. Had trouble moving the O in team drills. RB: Bell was not active in the passing game which surprised me a bit. Has obvious burst and shiftiness. No huge gainers but had some 6-10yd runs up the middle. Scored a TD on run up the middle on 3rd and goal from the 9. Brings a lot of energy, multiple times during practice he would come over and get the fans riled up waving his arms. Montgomery looks real good. Same as what we have seen in preseason, fast and hits the hole hard. Had some catches in the pass game. Scored multiple Tds Powell- not sure if he had a carry to be honest. We already know what he brings to the table though. Mcguire- stuffed for loss or very short gains on all his runs. Same as what we have seen in preseason. Cannon- not sure if he even had a carry. Neither Cannon or Mcguire had many (or any) passes thrown their way, I think that is what they excel at. Curious. WR: Robby had some big plays on out and come backers looked fine. Only had a few catches. Enunwa had a very good practice. Made some tough catches down the sideline in tight coverage. He had the best day of WR Crowder had some long gainers on crossers, short TD similar to the Giants. This was to the left instead of right in the game. Burnett had a very nice practice, caught 2 TD. Had some decent gains over the middle out of the slot Bellamy had a few catches with the #2s. no huge plays Dortch I think had only one catch in the practice. Burnett was head of him for sure Thompson- had a few balls thrown his way but no flashes White did have a TD catch but otherwise quiet Peake may literally be invisible out there. He was open in the EZ on two different occasions but the QB never saw him. Falk did throw him a nice fade in the EZ which he high-pointed nicely with both hands but the ball came loose when he hit the ground. I think that was his only ball of the night. I don't think he makes the roster. TE: Herndon had a few catches no huge plays Brown had several long gainers on crossers from Simien and a TD from webb, he looked good. Had good separation and can run. I think he had the best practice after Enunwa. Griffin one catch maybe two. no flashes Wesco- invisible Tomlinson- don't like him so won't talk about him. did nothing DB campbell had an excellent PBU on pass from same to Q in the EZ. He showed up in the last preseason game too. Maybe we have something here? S nothing of note here. Adams was quiet LB polite had a pressure on simien. Was working with the ST punt coverage team too. Luvu came on blitz at end of practice and jumped and deflected pass right to wint for 80yd pick six the other way. nice play by Luvu there, very athletic. Line play khalil snapped a ball way over Sam's head on 4th and goal from the 2. oops. ST Bertololet missed his first kick of the practice, a short one. But made all the rest, most of them split the uprights. no injuries that I could see. 27 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 So so pumped about this offense so nervous about our secondary and now recently special teams 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Reactions to your reactions: QB: If Webb is gonna be here, he shouldn't get any reps in practice. Make him hold a clipboard or clean some toilets. Something other than throwing a football. RB: Despite Cannon not getting any carries, he has to have the leg up over McGuire due to ST's contributions. McGuire must be toast, right? TE: Jeez, when will the Wesco hype train leave the station? Has he done anything of note all summer? LB: Luvu is a must-keep. We should keep Basham and Kaufusi too. Just keep all the young, promising front 7 guys please. C : Kalil has been having trouble with shotgun snaps since he started practicing. He's chalked it up to rustiness, but we need him to get it together for the crucial Week 3 preseason game. No injuries: Halellujah! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: So so pumped about this offense so nervous about our secondary and now recently special teams Don't worry. We'll lose a bunch of shootouts and go 6-10 entering a deep draft. That would be the perfect result for this season. Just grin and bear it, it'll all get better very soon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Getting quite intrigued by Campbell. I had written him off completely, but he did play well against Atlanta and now he's starting in the Green&White game...hmmmm. He's got good size, excellent speed and he plays a physical style of football. His coverage has been fairly good that I have seen. Very interesting... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Untouchable Posted August 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2019 This is like the 2nd year in a row where I’ve totally forgotten that Peake is even still on the team. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, mrcoops said: Getting quite intrigued by Campbell. I had written him off completely, but he did play well against Atlanta and now he's starting in the Green&White game...hmmmm. He's got good size, excellent speed and he plays a physical style of football. His coverage has been fairly good that I have seen. Very interesting... He was the one that crushed Avery's knee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: He was the one that crushed Avery's knee. Can't blame him for that though. He was diving to make play on the ball, and they collided. Very unfortunate, but just bad luck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, mrcoops said: Can't blame him for that though. He was diving to make play on the ball, and they collided. Very unfortunate, but just bad luck. For sure. I wonder how he's holding up after that. If he's making plays in practice that's a good sign. Me....I'd be kicking myself for weeks. I guess that's why I'm not a professional athlete. OK, that and many other reasons..... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Reactions to your reactions: QB: If Webb is gonna be here, he shouldn't get any reps in practice. Make him hold a clipboard or clean some toilets. Something other than throwing a football. RB: Despite Cannon not getting any carries, he has to have the leg up over McGuire due to ST's contributions. McGuire must be toast, right? TE: Jeez, when will the Wesco hype train leave the station? Has he done anything of note all summer? LB: Luvu is a must-keep. We should keep Basham and Kaufusi too. Just keep all the young, promising front 7 guys please. C : Kalil has been having trouble with shotgun snaps since he started practicing. He's chalked it up to rustiness, but we need him to get it together for the crucial Week 3 preseason game. No injuries: Halellujah! Wesco did have a TD catch nullified by penalty in the ATL game. It was a reasonably athletic play. He is apparently a good blocker. Agree with your LB comments. Luvu is a hard hitter and pretty athletic. I think he is what Greg Williams wants on D. Bssham and Kaufusi looked good in the ATL game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Barkus said: Wesco did have a TD catch nullified by penalty in the ATL game. It was a reasonably athletic play. He is apparently a good blocker. Agree with your LB comments. Luvu is a hard hitter and pretty athletic. I think he is what Greg Williams wants on D. Bssham and Kaufusi looked good in the ATL game. Yep. We know we are lacking in the EDGE and LB departments. We can't afford to get picky there. Keep everybody that shows promise. Roll with just 2 QB's and 3 TE's and we should be able to make that work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: C : Kalil has been having trouble with shotgun snaps since he started practicing. He's chalked it up to rustiness, but we need him to get it together for the crucial Week 3 preseason game. Otherwise if he can’t, you at least keep Harrison in until he does. Botched snaps is something they need to avoid no matter what. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted August 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said: Otherwise if he can’t, you at least keep Harrison in until he does. Botched snaps is something they need to avoid no matter what. When Kevin Mawae broke his right hand, he taught himself to snap the football lefty, then went out there and did it nearly flawlessly for as long as it took his right hand to heal. And that is why he's a HoFer. Man do I miss the Mawae/Mangold days. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Patriot Killa Posted August 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, nycdan said: When Kevin Mawae broke his right hand, he taught himself to snap the football lefty, then went out there and did it nearly flawlessly for as long as it took his right hand to heal. And that is why he's a HoFer. Man do I miss the Mawae/Mangold days. We didn’t know how good we had it. Sam with the 09 OL would be scary. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Reactions to your reactions: TE: Jeez, when will the Wesco hype train leave the station? Has he done anything of note all summer? I have been telling people that that small, fast, quick guys look better in practice and early camp with no/limited hitting. It is the opposite with big bangers like Wesco. That being said, he has been wildly overrated on this site since the day he was drafted. He is not fast. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, Untouchable said: This is like the 2nd year in a row where I’ve totally forgotten that Peake is even still on the team. You are not alone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: We didn’t know how good we had it. Sam with the 09 OL would be scary. Thanks PK, the '09 reference is a good one. That team underachieved big time. CC: @Maxman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Untouchable said: This is like the 2nd year in a row where I’ve totally forgotten that Peake is even still on the team. 23 minutes ago, Maxman said: You are not alone. The strange thing about that is that we get all excited about guys like Burnett, Stewart and Hansen. Peake looked like he was going to be better than any of them after his rookie year, and his size/speed numbers are great, but here we are. FWIW, I think his agility number suck, so he might be less suited to the slot. That actually might be an advantage with Crowder and Enunwa both excelling in the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: The strange thing about that is that we get all excited about guys like Burnett, Stewart and Hansen. Peake looked like he was going to be better than any of them after his rookie year, and his size/speed numbers are great, but here we are. FWIW, I think his agility number suck, so he might be less suited to the slot. That actually might be an advantage with Crowder and Enunwa both excelling in the slot. People got excited by Stewart? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Don't worry. We'll lose a bunch of shootouts and go 6-10 entering a deep draft. That would be the perfect result for this season. Just grin and bear it, it'll all get better very soon. Not with this QB we won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, ASH1962 said: Not with this QB we won't Note I said "shootouts". Darnold will do his part. He can't do anything about bad defense or missed kicks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killa7 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, ASH1962 said: Not with this QB we won't I hope you're right. I'm tired of looking to lose games to get a higher draft spot! enough now!! I was all in on the "Suck for Sam" thing, and last year after Sam got hurt, I wanted to see him play great, but have the team lose to get higher draft pick (i.e. Texans, Packers games). But to be talking about that now? before we have even played one snap? no way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Legend Killa7 said: I hope you're right. I'm tired of looking to lose games to get a higher draft spot! enough now!! I was all in on the "Suck for Sam" thing, and last year after Sam got hurt, I wanted to see him play great, but have the team lose to get higher draft pick (i.e. Texans, Packers games). But to be talking about that now? before we have even played one snap? no way. This team has never tanked properly. It's only the fans who talked about it. Tanking properly in 2017 would have negated us from having to cough up three 2nd rounders for Darnold. So, yeah, it's an effective strategy when needed. I'd prefer not to tank now that we have a franchise QB, but there's so much cleanup needed by our new GM, who did NOT get to make the decisions this past offseason, so its kind of an unprecedented situation. I don't see how we're a contender for anything more than a Wild Card and early playoff exit, so there's really no reason not to be cool with 6-10 this season (as long as Darnold plays well in the process) It's a much better result than 8-8 or 9-7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 People are still looking to lose games for draft position? It amazes me why these types even follow the team. They care more about the crapshoot of a draft than actual games. It's mind boggling. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Untouchable said: This is like the 2nd year in a row where I’ve totally forgotten that Peake is even still on the team. Except this year, I doin't see any way that he makes it past Aug 31, or whenever cut down day is. Cannon may make the roster as a one dimensional ST player who contributes nothing on offense. Can't afford to give up two roster spots for guys like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, nyjunc said: People are still looking to lose games for draft position? It amazes me why these types even follow the team. They care more about the crapshoot of a draft than actual games. It's mind boggling. The pro-tank crowd has been correct at nearly every turn. Just about every single time we've had a bad season, we've won meaningless games towards the end of the season that cost us a shot at a great or better player at our draft slot. And the "learning to win" crowd, predictably, came out to defend those late season wins in a lost season. There's nuance to what I posted that you missed (such as not WANTING to tank but accepting that 6-10 wouldn't be the worst result to 2019), but of course you ignore that to make a blanket statement and go the #FakeFan route. Par for the course for you. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, Legend Killa7 said: I hope you're right. I'm tired of looking to lose games to get a higher draft spot! enough now!! I was all in on the "Suck for Sam" thing, and last year after Sam got hurt, I wanted to see him play great, but have the team lose to get higher draft pick (i.e. Texans, Packers games). But to be talking about that now? before we have even played one snap? no way. I am with you. I think 2015 was probably the only season in the last 6 or 7 where we played a meaningful football game after Thanksgiving. Sometimes we were done by Halloween. I want to see meaningful football in December. If we finish with 8 or 9 wins and out of the playoffs, so be it. It is time to start winning games and worry about the draft in January (or February). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: I have been telling people that that small, fast, quick guys look better in practice and early camp with no/limited hitting. It is the opposite with big bangers like Wesco. That being said, he has been wildly overrated on this site since the day he was drafted. He is not fast. Wesco is doing everything asked of him. He is 3rd or 4th on the depth chart behind a potentially exceptional Herndon and vets. He's a young rookie coming out of a school that used the TE as a blocker primarily. He's doing fine. What we saw in the Atlanta game is exactly what he will be used for. Solid blocking followed by the peel off first down or TD. He has everything you want in a TE. Even if he doesn't get it together for a large impact this season, this kid has every skill you would want in a long term 2nd TE outside of great speed. Wildly overrated is a stretch, but I think he will be the greatest TE in Jets history eventually. hahaha Too much? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, Legend Killa7 said: I hope you're right. I'm tired of looking to lose games to get a higher draft spot! enough now!! I was all in on the "Suck for Sam" thing, and last year after Sam got hurt, I wanted to see him play great, but have the team lose to get higher draft pick (i.e. Texans, Packers games). But to be talking about that now? before we have even played one snap? no way. Come on. One more time would be good no ? Let's suck this year but show progress and then give Big Joe a wealth of upper tier ammo for the completion of the rebuild. If we suck to the tune of 3-13 but losing most games by 3 or less we bolster the OL by drafting OT Andrew Thomas and C Tyler Biadasz(bad ass) in the 2nd we can finally go for the gold next year. No? I'll be rooting for draft position opening day at the JN tailgate party! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said: Wesco is doing everything asked of him. He is 3rd or 4th on the depth chart behind a potentially exceptional Herndon and vets. He's a young rookie coming out of a school that used the TE as a blocker primarily. He's doing fine. What we saw in the Atlanta game is exactly what he will be used for. Solid blocking followed by the peel off first down or TD. He has everything you want in a TE. Even if he doesn't get it together for a large impact this season, this kid has every skill you would want in a long term 2nd TE outside of great speed. Wildly overrated is a stretch, but I think he will be the greatest TE in Jets history eventually. hahaha Too much? TE's do take longer than a lot of other positions to develop. That's definitely true. Per this September 2018 article: https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/280521/history-says-rookie-tight-ends-struggle-to-make-immediate-impact Quote Over the past 15 years, only two rookie tight ends have produced more than 600 yards receiving. The Giants’ Evan Engram totaled 722 yards receiving last season, and John Carlson recorded 627 with the Seahawks in 2008. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: The pro-tank crowd has been correct at nearly every turn. Just about every single time we've had a bad season, we've won meaningless games towards the end of the season that cost us a shot at a great or better player at our draft slot. And the "learning to win" crowd, predictably, came out to defend those late season wins in a lost season. There's nuance to what I posted that you missed (such as not WANTING to tank but accepting that 6-10 wouldn't be the worst result to 2019), but of course you ignore that to make a blanket statement and go the #FakeFan route. Par for the course for you. If losing games is so great, then how come this year we were forced to select Quinnen Williams? Our hands were tied! Same in 2008. Forced, I say! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: This team has never tanked properly. It's only the fans who talked about it. Tanking properly in 2017 would have negated us from having to cough up three 2nd rounders for Darnold. So, yeah, it's an effective strategy when needed. NFL teams dont tank other than in some fans imagination. Too much at stake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 48 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: The pro-tank crowd has been correct at nearly every turn. Just about every single time we've had a bad season, we've won meaningless games towards the end of the season that cost us a shot at a great or better player at our draft slot. And the "learning to win" crowd, predictably, came out to defend those late season wins in a lost season. There's nuance to what I posted that you missed (such as not WANTING to tank but accepting that 6-10 wouldn't be the worst result to 2019), but of course you ignore that to make a blanket statement and go the #FakeFan route. Par for the course for you. What great players did it cost us? The draft is a crapshoot. I remember when jet fans wanted Reggie bush, wanted to tank for him and we beat Buffalo the final week of 05 to essentially cost us bush. We got Leon Washington in the 4tg Rd and he was basically a copy of bush. Remember "suck for Luck"? And he was a generational talent. Tanking does not work. Damn Darnold's game winning drive as Buffalo was much more important than draft position. Good players can be found anywhere, you just need the right people looking for those players and making those decisions. Hopefully we finally found that GM and his staff. I will never understand the wannabe GM fans that would rather lose games so they can have more fun with draft day in April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Reactions to your reactions: QB: If Webb is gonna be here, he shouldn't get any reps in practice. Make him hold a clipboard or clean some toilets. Something other than throwing a football. RB: Despite Cannon not getting any carries, he has to have the leg up over McGuire due to ST's contributions. McGuire must be toast, right? TE: Jeez, when will the Wesco hype train leave the station? Has he done anything of note all summer? LB: Luvu is a must-keep. We should keep Basham and Kaufusi too. Just keep all the young, promising front 7 guys please. C : Kalil has been having trouble with shotgun snaps since he started practicing. He's chalked it up to rustiness, but we need him to get it together for the crucial Week 3 preseason game. No injuries: Halellujah! Webb is going to split game 4 of pre-season with Falk... Falk is a gun slinger... I love it. Cannon may not make the team, nor is McGuire... Hopefully they find some depth trades for them TE is known as the hardest position for College players to transition to NFL but, its scary that you never hear anything about him... Bust watch has started Basham is a longshot. I think they should give him some reps against better competition since he looked good against ATL 3's sh*t another Center that can't snap shotgun... Not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Don't worry. We'll lose a bunch of shootouts and go 6-10 entering a deep draft. That would be the perfect result for this season. Just grin and bear it, it'll all get better very soon. Why do we have to lose them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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