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Why trade for Clowney? We have Jachai Polite. 

Build around Sam  clowney will cost draft picks and cap space  nah

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4 hours ago, Philc1 said:

I think after watching Allen look all world last night the FO wants to avoid that coming quagmire and get us an edge rusher

Josh Allen looking All world vs one of the worst rosters in football would make Douglas panic and make a trade for edge rusher ? 

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6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 


Adding a legit pass rusher helps the D greatly. Losing Leo is mostly inconsequential. We already have Q and Anderson to hold down the 3-4 DE spots.

 

Except I dont really see the legit pass rusher in Clowney.  Or the guy who plays 16 games a year healthy.

So I dont see the big positive to the defense I guess.  Want to see LW with QW and HA under GW's defense before throwing LW away, thats all

That said given the injuries at LB.....I get what youre saying

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Except I dont really see the legit pass rusher in Clowney.  Or the guy who plays 16 games a year healthy.

So I dont see the big positive to the defense I guess.  Want to see LW with QW and HA under GW's defense before throwing LW away, thats all

That said given the injuries at LB.....I get what youre saying

 

Leo won’t be on the field with Q all that often. Reports are suggesting Q won’t play much NT like originally thought. So now it’s just Q, Anderson and Leo rotating in and out at the 3-4 DE spots. There’s not much to be gleaned from that. We just have extra bodies at those spots, and one is costing us $14.2M against the cap.

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30 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Leo won’t be on the field with Q all that often. Reports are suggesting Q won’t play much NT like originally thought. So now it’s just Q, Anderson and Leo rotating in and out at the 3-4 DE spots. There’s not much to be gleaned from that. We just have extra bodies at those spots, and one is costing us $14.2M against the cap.

Not sure if theyre not on the field more than youre thinking.  GW played a whole lot of 3-4 to go with his 4-3 in Cleveland, switched off more than any other DC.  I also think theyre going to look for ways to get both on the field, dont think they look at Leo as the weak link like some fans.  

I also really could care less about the 14 mil figure.  He was paid as he should be paid on his rookie deal at the 6 spot.  That they split his slotted deal so that he gets 14 this season is inconsequential to me.  We're not in cap hell this year.

If he's coming back and wants to be paid more than 65 cents on the dollar hes getting today, he needs to prove that better coaching, game planning and talent around him to keep the doubles down was all that was holding him back.

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Jet Fans: Yay a GM who won't do dumb things!

Also Jets Fans: Why is the GM not giving up significant assets to sign massive contracts all to try to win with a roster he didn't have a hand in instead of being patient, keeping his assets and evaluating the current roster based on how the season goes while he has the cover that the players were the last guy's doing?!

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Why Jets' Joe Douglas needs to trade for Jadeveon Clowney now

Could Clowney be the cherry on top for Jets heading into 2019?

By Ralph Vacchiano | Aug 24 | 7:57PM
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Nov 18, 2018; Landover, MD, USA; Houston Texans outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney (90) celebrates after recording a sack against the Washington Redskins during the second half at FedEx Field. Mandatory Credit: Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Mills) Nov 18, 2018; Landover, MD, USA; Houston Texans outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney (90) celebrates after recording a sack against the Washington Redskins during the second half at FedEx Field. Mandatory Credit: Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Mills)

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - The Jets don't want to say the word, because they don't want to put too much pressure on themselves. But they know this is the year their rebuilding project is supposed to pay off. They've spent too much money and made too many high draft picks not to be a playoff team.

But if they're still really not sure that they're there yet, if they still feel like there's something missing, there's one really good way to push themselves over the top:

Make a blockbuster trade for Houston Texans edge rusher Jadeveon Clowney. And do it now.

Yes, it's easier said than done, but the 26-year-old pass-rushing beast is exactly what's missing from the Jets' playoff formula. They have the quarterback and the offensive weapons on one side, but not quite enough on the other side, no matter how good new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is. He's got a shaky secondary and a front seven missing a force on the edge.

New Jets GM Joe Douglas knows it too, which is why on Saturday night he called finding and edge rusher "a priority."

Well, that's probably true for most teams around the NFL, so don't expect a good one to pop up on the waiver wire next week. But Clowney, unhappy with the "franchise tag" and unable to reach a long-term deal with the Texans, seems like someone the Jets could pry loose.

And oh, by the way, NFL Network's Mike Lombardi, a former NFL GM, reported that Clowney likely will be traded in the next 24-48 hours.

If that's true, the Jets better find out what it would take to get Clowney traded to them.

Spoiler alert: It won't be cheap: It would almost certainly cost Douglas a future draft pick, possibly a high one, or maybe picks, even though Clowney is technically only a one-year rental. The Texans, according to reports, are interested in adding help along the offensive line and at wide receiver, though neither area is a place where the Jets are particularly deep.

Also, Clowney is due $15.9 million this season under the franchise tag, which is currently more than the Jets have available under the salary cap ($11.3 million). They'd have to do some cap gymnastics and either cut some expensive players or re-do a few existing contracts to create that space, which isn't impossible but not necessarily ideal.

And there's a risk. Clowney can't sign a long-term deal right now. The deadline for that was July 15. And technically the Jets can't even discuss a long-term extension with him until after the season is over, though presumably they could wink and nod and drop a few hints.

But even if it's just this one year, look at what they get: A premiere edge rusher who had 18 ½ sacks over the last two seasons. All summer long the Jets have been excited about the prospects of Leonard Williams now that rookie Quinnen Williams is playing next to him. But imagine how that excitement will rise if Clowney is rushing from behind him, too.

That certainly beats Jordan Jenkins, despite his promising seven sacks last season. And it beats Brandon Copeland, who now is suspended for four games for violating the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing drugs. And that's really all the Jets have, unless they rally believe third-round pick Jachai Polite will have a dominant rookie season.

The truth is that edge rusher was probably the Jets' biggest hole heading into the offseason, and they completely whiffed on filling it during their free-agent spending spree.

Now they can make amends by getting a player they likely would've gone hard after if he had hit free agency back in March. Maybe the Texans won't trade him. Maybe they won't be able to work it out. But they have to try and try hard, because this is the one available player who can truly make a difference.

But would they do it? Would they give up future draft picks or whatever it takes to make a preseason blockbuster trade?

"If it was the right player and the right situation," Douglas said, "we'd consider it."

Well, Clowney is the right player and this is the right situation. They have a young quarterback in Sam Darnold who is coming of age, and they spent millions on players like running back Le'Veon Bell and linebacker C.J. Mosley. They aren't a rebuilding team anymore. They are rebuilt.

Clowney is the one player available who could immediately shove them up the next step and make them a true contender. If that's the prize, then it sure would seem to be worth any cost.

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Id like to apologize to @Rolloffjet he/she posted a link to an article and being I don't pay much attention to links posted on this forum that I thought was against the rules I copied and pasted the article not knowing the link posted was for this article. 

My bad give credit to Rolloffjet for the NY Post article. 

 

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On 8/25/2019 at 7:24 PM, joewilly12 said:

Why Jets' Joe Douglas needs to trade for Jadeveon Clowney now

Could Clowney be the cherry on top for Jets heading into 2019?

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Nov 18, 2018; Landover, MD, USA; Houston Texans outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney (90) celebrates after recording a sack against the Washington Redskins during the second half at FedEx Field. Mandatory Credit: Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Mills) Nov 18, 2018; Landover, MD, USA; Houston Texans outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney (90) celebrates after recording a sack against the Washington Redskins during the second half at FedEx Field. Mandatory Credit: Brad Mills-USA TODAY Sports (Brad Mills)

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - The Jets don't want to say the word, because they don't want to put too much pressure on themselves. But they know this is the year their rebuilding project is supposed to pay off. They've spent too much money and made too many high draft picks not to be a playoff team.

But if they're still really not sure that they're there yet, if they still feel like there's something missing, there's one really good way to push themselves over the top:

Make a blockbuster trade for Houston Texans edge rusher Jadeveon Clowney. And do it now.

Yes, it's easier said than done, but the 26-year-old pass-rushing beast is exactly what's missing from the Jets' playoff formula. They have the quarterback and the offensive weapons on one side, but not quite enough on the other side, no matter how good new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is. He's got a shaky secondary and a front seven missing a force on the edge.

New Jets GM Joe Douglas knows it too, which is why on Saturday night he called finding and edge rusher "a priority."

Well, that's probably true for most teams around the NFL, so don't expect a good one to pop up on the waiver wire next week. But Clowney, unhappy with the "franchise tag" and unable to reach a long-term deal with the Texans, seems like someone the Jets could pry loose.

And oh, by the way, NFL Network's Mike Lombardi, a former NFL GM, reported that Clowney likely will be traded in the next 24-48 hours.

If that's true, the Jets better find out what it would take to get Clowney traded to them.

Spoiler alert: It won't be cheap: It would almost certainly cost Douglas a future draft pick, possibly a high one, or maybe picks, even though Clowney is technically only a one-year rental. The Texans, according to reports, are interested in adding help along the offensive line and at wide receiver, though neither area is a place where the Jets are particularly deep.

Also, Clowney is due $15.9 million this season under the franchise tag, which is currently more than the Jets have available under the salary cap ($11.3 million). They'd have to do some cap gymnastics and either cut some expensive players or re-do a few existing contracts to create that space, which isn't impossible but not necessarily ideal.

And there's a risk. Clowney can't sign a long-term deal right now. The deadline for that was July 15. And technically the Jets can't even discuss a long-term extension with him until after the season is over, though presumably they could wink and nod and drop a few hints.

But even if it's just this one year, look at what they get: A premiere edge rusher who had 18 ½ sacks over the last two seasons. All summer long the Jets have been excited about the prospects of Leonard Williams now that rookie Quinnen Williams is playing next to him. But imagine how that excitement will rise if Clowney is rushing from behind him, too.

That certainly beats Jordan Jenkins, despite his promising seven sacks last season. And it beats Brandon Copeland, who now is suspended for four games for violating the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing drugs. And that's really all the Jets have, unless they rally believe third-round pick Jachai Polite will have a dominant rookie season.

The truth is that edge rusher was probably the Jets' biggest hole heading into the offseason, and they completely whiffed on filling it during their free-agent spending spree.

Now they can make amends by getting a player they likely would've gone hard after if he had hit free agency back in March. Maybe the Texans won't trade him. Maybe they won't be able to work it out. But they have to try and try hard, because this is the one available player who can truly make a difference.

But would they do it? Would they give up future draft picks or whatever it takes to make a preseason blockbuster trade?

"If it was the right player and the right situation," Douglas said, "we'd consider it."

Well, Clowney is the right player and this is the right situation. They have a young quarterback in Sam Darnold who is coming of age, and they spent millions on players like running back Le'Veon Bell and linebacker C.J. Mosley. They aren't a rebuilding team anymore. They are rebuilt.

Clowney is the one player available who could immediately shove them up the next step and make them a true contender. If that's the prize, then it sure would seem to be worth any cost.

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On 8/25/2019 at 12:23 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Leo won’t be on the field with Q all that often. Reports are suggesting Q won’t play much NT like originally thought. So now it’s just Q, Anderson and Leo rotating in and out at the 3-4 DE spots. There’s not much to be gleaned from that. We just have extra bodies at those spots, and one is costing us $14.2M against the cap.

If Q isn't a NT, then it was a waste of a pick.

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Jets pass rush blows, but I aint breaking the bank for a guy who never hit double digits in sacks.  It aint like he is the final piece to get the team into the playoffs. 

3rd round pick for a 1yr rental and the right to franchise him next year, sure.  Much more than that, and I'll take the upside and cheap contract the Jets can get in round 1 or 2 in next year's draft.

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Quite the opposite.  No NT should be taken early in drafts.  We need him to be an impact 3-4 DE.  

Bullsh*t.  A good NT, makes the ends next to him  and the linebackers behind him better.  Defense has been in the sh*tter since Snacks left.   

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1 minute ago, DirtyJersey said:

Bullsh*t.  A good NT, makes the ends next to him  and the linebackers behind him better.  Defense has been in the sh*tter since Snacks left.   

A good NT can be found well outside of the 1st round.  When you take a guy with the # 3 overall pick, you want someone who gets to the QB.  Aaron Donald had 20.5 sacks last season.  Think the Rams would find him more valuable as a "block eater" in the middle?

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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

A good NT can be found well outside of the 1st round.  When you take a guy with the # 3 overall pick, you want someone who gets to the QB.  Aaron Donald had 20.5 sacks last season.  Think the Rams would find him more valuable as a "block eater" in the middle?

Aaron Donald is a DT, not an NT or a 3-4 DE.  If the Jets were drafting a pass rusher at #3, they should have taken Allen.  Hold yer breath until Q gets double digit sacks.

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Clowney would definitely be an upgrade but at this point in his career he's more "name" than
"game".  For someone who has played opposite Watt his production isn't off the charts:

http://www.nfl.com/player/jadeveonclowney/2543456/careerstats

On top of that, what are you willing to trade for him and then ultimately pay him???  Is
9 sacks worth a Mack/Donald contract???

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8 minutes ago, DirtyJersey said:

Bullsh*t.  A good NT, makes the ends next to him  and the linebackers behind him better.  Defense has been in the sh*tter since Snacks left.   

Snacks, devito, pouha, etc etc etc were udfa or mid picks.  You do not use the #3 overall pick on a friggin NT whose job is to stop the run and clog the middle

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4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Snacks, devito, pouha, etc etc etc were udfa or mid picks.  You do not use the #3 overall pick on a friggin NT whose job is to stop the run and clog the middle

What 3-4 end is a legit pass rusher, besides Watt?  Ya use #3 pick for 8 sacks a year?  Amazing allocation of resources.  Sure to put the fear of god into any QB staring him down.  Hopefully they give L-Williams $20mill/yr to get 5 sacks on the other side, and then they printing tickets to Title Town.

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