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Why is this news?  Did he have a notebook or a laptop and was taking notes?  Phil Savage attended a football game.  I'm sure he attends a couple every week.  I usually do and I'm not "scouting."  

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17 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

[Costello] Jets senior football advisor Phil Savage is at the Patriots-Titans preseason game doing some scouting. #nyj

 

This is really good to hear. Having someone as high up in the org as Savage seen scouting our main division rival shows that Joe Douglas is serious about making moves during the cut downs. We're right in their faces.  The Pats and Titans have some surplus in the DB dept from what I've read too.  Douglas is on top of it guys. I'm really starting to like this guy. 

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Be ready to claim when those cuts start.

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Did we ever hear of Mac dispatching scouts and high-up personnel to scout pre-season games to see which players might be worth picking up when released?

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1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said:

Did we ever hear of Mac dispatching scouts and high-up personnel to scout pre-season games to see which players might be worth picking up when released?

Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said:

Did we ever hear of Mac dispatching scouts and high-up personnel to scout pre-season games to see which players might be worth picking up when released?

I'd bet a fair amount of money that he routinely did

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6 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

If the Patriots let Brady go we should be all over that. I think Douglas would swoop in. Brady would be a big upgrade over Trevor Siemian. 

Oh the buuuuurn!

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2 hours ago, CanadaSteve said:

Did we ever hear of Mac dispatching scouts and high-up personnel to scout pre-season games to see which players might be worth picking up when released?

Supposedly he sent them to different teams stadiums for coffee he was looking for the best coffee in the NFL.

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whether SOP with the last (or all team's) regime or not ... nice tid-bit to read

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Might be scouting that Damian Harris kid. 

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6 hours ago, genot said:

Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Worked out well with the last GM though....He was ALWAYS bringing in top-notch talent to fill voids.

 

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Why is this news?  Did he have a notebook or a laptop and was taking notes?  Phil Savage attended a football game.  I'm sure he attends a couple every week.  I usually do and I'm not "scouting."  

Weak.

Yes. He had a notebook. And a little mini golf sized pencil. Is it news now?


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32 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:


Weak.

Yes. He had a notebook. And a little mini golf sized pencil. Is it news now?


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Weak?  What the **** are you talking about?  Do you seriously think this is the first game that Phil Savage has watched since the Jets hired him?  It is ridiculous that people are surprised by this.  It is nice to know what teams he is watching, but he is an Alabama guy and Nashville is probably one of the closest stadiums.

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9 hours ago, CanadaSteve said:

Did we ever hear of Mac dispatching scouts and high-up personnel to scout pre-season games to see which players might be worth picking up when released?

Not to defend Macc but do we know he didn't send anyone

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47 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Weak?  What the **** are you talking about?  Do you seriously think this is the first game that Phil Savage has watched since the Jets hired him?  It is ridiculous that people are surprised by this.  It is nice to know what teams he is watching, but he is an Alabama guy and Nashville is probably one of the closest stadiums.

Almost as weak as picking an argument because someone is glad we did. 

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4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Weak?  What the **** are you talking about?  Do you seriously think this is the first game that Phil Savage has watched since the Jets hired him?  It is ridiculous that people are surprised by this.  It is nice to know what teams he is watching, but he is an Alabama guy and Nashville is probably one of the closest stadiums.

Of course it's not the first game he's watched. He's a football guy. I'm sure he's watching ALL of em actually. 

The interesting thing is we are not sending a scout to the Pats game. We sent Savage.  The former GM who was responsible for giving Douglas his first job in the pros and is pretty much his right hand man as the football advisor to the GM.  

It's not ground breaking but come on man. You're being a poopy pants.  It's definitely interesting at minimum.  More so than an onion article on FA's being warned they may have to play for the Jets anyway. No?  That joke was first done during the Coslet years for Pete's sake. 

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4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Not to defend Macc but do we know he didn't send anyone

Of course he did.  People forget that the masterful trade executed on St Patricks day was the culmination of exhaustive research into the QB situation.  It has the potential of being the single greatest move any Jets GM has ever made.  I firmly believe he was trading up for Mayfield (which in retrospect would have been fine) but he wound up landing their #1 target.

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Mike Maccagnan attended his first Sam Darnold game on Oct. 27, 2016, at the Los Angeles Coliseum, but he certainly wasn't there to scout the redshirt freshman. No, he flew cross country to check out the other quarterback, Cal's Davis Webb, but what he saw that night from Darnold -- more important, what he heard about him -- would resonate for the next 18 months.

It culminated last Thursday when the New York Jets, blown away that Darnold wasn't picked by the Cleveland Browns or New York Giants, happily took the former Southern California star with the third overall choice in the NFL draft. When he learned the Giants were taking Saquon Barkley, the Jets' general manager flashed a "I-can't-believe-this-just-happened" look to his right-hand man in the war room, Brian Heimerdinger.

It was one of those moments scouts and personnel dream about.

The Jets scouted Darnold so intensely last season that Maccagnan flew to the West Coast on four consecutive weekends to watch him play, twice returning on red-eye flights immediately after the game so he could watch the Jets on Sunday. From last September to April 15, the day of a secret workout on the Southern California campus, Maccagnan made seven Darnold trips to California. Each time, he left thinking the same thing: We love him, but we'll never get him.

Well, they got him, and they believe he has the potential to develop into their first true franchise quarterback since Joe Namath a half-century ago. Here's a look at how it unfolded:

Oct. 27, 2016: During pregame warm-ups, Maccagnan struck up a conversation with a member of the Southern California coaching staff. Unsolicited, the staff member started gushing about the 19-year-old quarterback who saved their season. The Trojans started 1-2, changed quarterbacks and now they were riding a three-game winning streak with the precocious Darnold in charge. You're going to want this kid in a year or two, the guy told him.

Maccagnan had heard of Darnold, but he really didn't know much about him. Now he was getting an earful from the staffer, who went on and on about Darnold -- how he dominated as the scout-team quarterback and how, upon his promotion, he got the entire team to believe in him in a short period of time.

Scouts live for this kind of intel, so Maccagnan filed it away in his memory bank. He returned to the business at hand, scouting Webb, but he couldn't help notice Darnold that night. He threw five touchdown passes in Southern California's 45-24 victory.

Jets GM Mike Maccagnan scouted Sam Darnold so intensely last season that he flew to the West Coast on four consecutive weekends to watch him play. Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images

Sept. 2, 2017: This was a busy time in the NFL -- cutdown weekend -- but Maccagnan squeezed in a trip to Los Angeles to watch Darnold in his season opener against Western Michigan. He flew out shortly after completing the blockbuster Sheldon Richardson trade, which netted a second-round pick -- one of three second-rounders they used six months later to trade up to No. 3 overall. Now a national sensation after his epic Rose Bowl performance, Darnold didn't have one of his better games, throwing two interceptions. The Trojans won 49-31.

Sept. 9: Maccagnan returned to Los Angeles to watch Southern California in a prime-time game against Stanford. As usual, he sat in the stands, not the press box, giving him an up-close view of the action. He bought a ticket behind the Southern California bench to observe what can't be seen on TV: player interaction on the bench, body language and body build.

Most talent evaluators prefer the eye-in-the-sky perspective, but Maccagnan believes he can learn more about players from the ground level. Are they one of the guys? How do they handle adversity? On this night, he saw Darnold working the bench, congratulating teammates after big plays and providing energy in his California-cool kind of way. He threw four touchdowns against a tough defense, leading Southern California to a 42-24 win.

Afterward, Maccagnan took a red-eye so he could attend the Jets' season opener in Buffalo.

Sept. 16: With a segment of the Jets' fan base hoping the team would "Suck for Sam," Maccagnan was back at the L.A. Coliseum, scouting Sam. On this night, in a nationally televised thriller against Texas, his affinity for Darnold grew appreciably. The quarterback made clutch play after clutch play, including an improvised jump pass that made the highlight shows. What stood out was how well Darnold read three levels of the defense and how he anticipated throwing windows before they opened.

Darnold rallied the Trojans from a fourth-quarter deficit, pulling out a 27-24 win in double overtime. Afterward, Maccagnan made his way down to the field and stood about 20 feet from Darnold as he was interviewed by a TV reporter. The interview was carried on the stadium's giant screen, so he could hear everything that was said in larger-than-life fashion. The quarterback credited his teammates and talked about how they emphasized clutch situations in practice.

The takeaway: So young, yet so poised.

The GM flew up the coast to Oakland, where the Jets would face the Raiders the next day. By now, after three consecutive Saturdays in La-La Land, Maccagnan was like the famous burger chain.

In-N-Out.

Sept. 23: Maccagnan was back in the Bay Area, watching Darnold improve to 4-0 with a 30-20 win against Cal. There was no rest for the weary. It was a red-eye back to New Jersey to catch the Jets' home opener against the Dolphins. Mind you, the GM wasn't only focused on Darnold. He also scouted the other top prospects, including four Baker Mayfield games. He had a lot of help, as the Jets' area scouts blanketed the quarterbacks as well.

Nov. 18: With the Jets enjoying their bye, Maccagnan and Heimerdinger, the vice president of player personnel, used the free weekend to scout Darnold and UCLA's Josh Rosen in the most anticipated quarterback matchup of the season. Darnold was outplayed by Rosen, but Southern California won the game 28-23. Afterward, Darnold, hailed as a conquering hero, stood atop a stepladder on the field, brandishing a sword and leading the school's marching band in song.

The Jets got a kick out of that. Rest assured, that scene never will play out at MetLife Stadium, but his future employers liked the way he handled the moment. He never acted like a big shot even though he was.

Long before Sam Darnold was ripping spirals in the rain on March 21 at his USC pro day, he had convinced Jets GM Mike Maccagnan he would be an NFL star. AP Photo/Jae C. Hong

March 2, 2018: The NFL scouting combine. Finally, the Jets' brass had its first formal meeting with Darnold: the standard 15-minute session at night. Teams call it speed dating because it's hard to get in-depth in just 15 minutes. After pleasantries and small talk, they showed Southern California plays from last season, asking Darnold to break them down conceptually. He didn't blow them away, but it was a solid interview -- a good first date, so to speak. The feeling in the room was how young he appeared in person. He doesn't turn 21 until June 5.

March 21: The Jets dispatched their top decision-makers to Southern California's pro day -- Maccagnan, Heimerdinger, coach Todd Bowles and offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates. By now, the league-wide buzz was that Darnold was going No. 1 to the Browns. In fact, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam was sitting in the stands with Darnold's family in what appeared to be a not-so-subtle message to the quarterback-needy teams in attendance.

Like everyone else, the Jets were impressed by Darnold's performance. In the pouring rain, he "threw the s--- out of it," according to one scout in attendance. The Jets' contingent noticed how Darnold needed only a few warm-up tosses to get ready. Most elite quarterbacks have an elaborate prep period to get loose. Not Darnold. He spent much of the time hanging out with teammates, encouraging them during their drills. When it was his turn, he let it rip, parting the raindrops with soggy footballs that traveled at high velocity.

The Jets' takeaway: This kid exudes cool. But as they left the campus, Maccagnan & Co. lamented what appeared to be a certain fate: We're never going to see him with the third pick.

April 15: After weeks of trying, the Jets finally were able to arrange a private workout with Darnold. Incredibly, it managed to stay a secret until after the draft. It never got reported. Maccagnan, Bowles, Bates and director of college scouting Matt Bazirgan flew to Los Angeles and managed to conduct an early-morning workout on campus. No spectators, no media. Three wide receivers and a tight end ran routes for Darnold, who once again shined. Afterward, they went inside and talked ball for a couple of hours.

Once again, the Jets left campus with a hollow feeling: Was this all for naught?

April 17: Long time, no see. Two days after the private workout, Darnold visited the Jets at their Florham Park, New Jersey, facility. Six team reps, including CEO Christopher Johnson, dined with Darnold at a nearby restaurant. Darnold sat next to Johnson and the conversation flowed throughout the evening. They all had a good laugh when cocktails were ordered, as they realized Darnold still wasn't old enough to drink alcohol.

Darnold spent the next day at the facility. He met with Bowles, Bates, Maccagnan, the trainer and the director of player development. He also bumped into quarterback Josh McCown and they talked for a few minutes. The visit ended in Maccagnan's office. After an exhaustive scouting process, the GM had run out of questions for Darnold. His due diligence was complete. He wished him well and sent him on his way to the airport. Later, Bowles remarked they'd probably never see him again. They weren't optimistic about him falling to them.

April 26: Draft day began with a stunner. Mayfield went first, followed by Barkley. Initially, there was silent disbelief in the Jets' war room, then handshakes and congratulations. Eighteen months after he first set eyes on Darnold, Maccagnan had his man.

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4 minutes ago, Pac said:

the Jets' general manager flashed a "I-can't-believe-this-just-happened" look to his right-hand man in the war room, Brian Heimerdinger.

It’s because Heimerdinger didn’t bother cc’ing Maccagnan in the email beforehand

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4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s because Heimerdinger didn’t bother cc’ing Maccagnan in the email beforehand

Surprised your rising superstar still hasn't landed a gig.

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7 minutes ago, Pac said:

Surprised your rising superstar still hasn't landed a gig.

The same way Howard the Duck ended Lea Thompson’s career.

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40 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

Of course it's not the first game he's watched. He's a football guy. I'm sure he's watching ALL of em actually. 

The interesting thing is we are not sending a scout to the Pats game. We sent Savage.  The former GM who was responsible for giving Douglas his first job in the pros and is pretty much his right hand man as the football advisor to the GM.  

It's not ground breaking but come on man. You're being a poopy pants.  It's definitely interesting at minimum.  More so than an onion article on FA's being warned they may have to play for the Jets anyway. No?  That joke was first done during the Coslet years for Pete's sake. 

Every single GM in the league does this, even Mac. I'm not sure why this is a story since it happens with every franchise year in and year out.

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8 minutes ago, RobR said:

Every single GM in the league does this, even Mac. I'm not sure why this is a story since it happens with every franchise year in and year out.

It's not a story.  It's a tweet. And merely a message board post showing the tweet here.  I'm not sure what the deal is with people who need to state what's valid and what's not valid to discuss. 

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1 hour ago, Pac said:

Of course he did.  People forget that the masterful trade executed on St Patricks day was the culmination of exhaustive research into the QB situation.  It has the potential of being the single greatest move any Jets GM has ever made.  I firmly believe he was trading up for Mayfield (which in retrospect would have been fine) but he wound up landing their #1 target.

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Mike Maccagnan attended his first Sam Darnold game on Oct. 27, 2016, at the Los Angeles Coliseum, but he certainly wasn't there to scout the redshirt freshman. No, he flew cross country to check out the other quarterback, Cal's Davis Webb, but what he saw that night from Darnold -- more important, what he heard about him -- would resonate for the next 18 months.

It culminated last Thursday when the New York Jets, blown away that Darnold wasn't picked by the Cleveland Browns or New York Giants, happily took the former Southern California star with the third overall choice in the NFL draft. When he learned the Giants were taking Saquon Barkley, the Jets' general manager flashed a "I-can't-believe-this-just-happened" look to his right-hand man in the war room, Brian Heimerdinger.

It was one of those moments scouts and personnel dream about.

The Jets scouted Darnold so intensely last season that Maccagnan flew to the West Coast on four consecutive weekends to watch him play, twice returning on red-eye flights immediately after the game so he could watch the Jets on Sunday. From last September to April 15, the day of a secret workout on the Southern California campus, Maccagnan made seven Darnold trips to California. Each time, he left thinking the same thing: We love him, but we'll never get him.

Well, they got him, and they believe he has the potential to develop into their first true franchise quarterback since Joe Namath a half-century ago. Here's a look at how it unfolded:

Oct. 27, 2016: During pregame warm-ups, Maccagnan struck up a conversation with a member of the Southern California coaching staff. Unsolicited, the staff member started gushing about the 19-year-old quarterback who saved their season. The Trojans started 1-2, changed quarterbacks and now they were riding a three-game winning streak with the precocious Darnold in charge. You're going to want this kid in a year or two, the guy told him.

Maccagnan had heard of Darnold, but he really didn't know much about him. Now he was getting an earful from the staffer, who went on and on about Darnold -- how he dominated as the scout-team quarterback and how, upon his promotion, he got the entire team to believe in him in a short period of time.

Scouts live for this kind of intel, so Maccagnan filed it away in his memory bank. He returned to the business at hand, scouting Webb, but he couldn't help notice Darnold that night. He threw five touchdown passes in Southern California's 45-24 victory.

Jets GM Mike Maccagnan scouted Sam Darnold so intensely last season that he flew to the West Coast on four consecutive weekends to watch him play. Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images

Sept. 2, 2017: This was a busy time in the NFL -- cutdown weekend -- but Maccagnan squeezed in a trip to Los Angeles to watch Darnold in his season opener against Western Michigan. He flew out shortly after completing the blockbuster Sheldon Richardson trade, which netted a second-round pick -- one of three second-rounders they used six months later to trade up to No. 3 overall. Now a national sensation after his epic Rose Bowl performance, Darnold didn't have one of his better games, throwing two interceptions. The Trojans won 49-31.

Sept. 9: Maccagnan returned to Los Angeles to watch Southern California in a prime-time game against Stanford. As usual, he sat in the stands, not the press box, giving him an up-close view of the action. He bought a ticket behind the Southern California bench to observe what can't be seen on TV: player interaction on the bench, body language and body build.

Most talent evaluators prefer the eye-in-the-sky perspective, but Maccagnan believes he can learn more about players from the ground level. Are they one of the guys? How do they handle adversity? On this night, he saw Darnold working the bench, congratulating teammates after big plays and providing energy in his California-cool kind of way. He threw four touchdowns against a tough defense, leading Southern California to a 42-24 win.

Afterward, Maccagnan took a red-eye so he could attend the Jets' season opener in Buffalo.

Sept. 16: With a segment of the Jets' fan base hoping the team would "Suck for Sam," Maccagnan was back at the L.A. Coliseum, scouting Sam. On this night, in a nationally televised thriller against Texas, his affinity for Darnold grew appreciably. The quarterback made clutch play after clutch play, including an improvised jump pass that made the highlight shows. What stood out was how well Darnold read three levels of the defense and how he anticipated throwing windows before they opened.

Darnold rallied the Trojans from a fourth-quarter deficit, pulling out a 27-24 win in double overtime. Afterward, Maccagnan made his way down to the field and stood about 20 feet from Darnold as he was interviewed by a TV reporter. The interview was carried on the stadium's giant screen, so he could hear everything that was said in larger-than-life fashion. The quarterback credited his teammates and talked about how they emphasized clutch situations in practice.

The takeaway: So young, yet so poised.

The GM flew up the coast to Oakland, where the Jets would face the Raiders the next day. By now, after three consecutive Saturdays in La-La Land, Maccagnan was like the famous burger chain.

In-N-Out.

Sept. 23: Maccagnan was back in the Bay Area, watching Darnold improve to 4-0 with a 30-20 win against Cal. There was no rest for the weary. It was a red-eye back to New Jersey to catch the Jets' home opener against the Dolphins. Mind you, the GM wasn't only focused on Darnold. He also scouted the other top prospects, including four Baker Mayfield games. He had a lot of help, as the Jets' area scouts blanketed the quarterbacks as well.

Nov. 18: With the Jets enjoying their bye, Maccagnan and Heimerdinger, the vice president of player personnel, used the free weekend to scout Darnold and UCLA's Josh Rosen in the most anticipated quarterback matchup of the season. Darnold was outplayed by Rosen, but Southern California won the game 28-23. Afterward, Darnold, hailed as a conquering hero, stood atop a stepladder on the field, brandishing a sword and leading the school's marching band in song.

The Jets got a kick out of that. Rest assured, that scene never will play out at MetLife Stadium, but his future employers liked the way he handled the moment. He never acted like a big shot even though he was.

Long before Sam Darnold was ripping spirals in the rain on March 21 at his USC pro day, he had convinced Jets GM Mike Maccagnan he would be an NFL star. AP Photo/Jae C. Hong

March 2, 2018: The NFL scouting combine. Finally, the Jets' brass had its first formal meeting with Darnold: the standard 15-minute session at night. Teams call it speed dating because it's hard to get in-depth in just 15 minutes. After pleasantries and small talk, they showed Southern California plays from last season, asking Darnold to break them down conceptually. He didn't blow them away, but it was a solid interview -- a good first date, so to speak. The feeling in the room was how young he appeared in person. He doesn't turn 21 until June 5.

March 21: The Jets dispatched their top decision-makers to Southern California's pro day -- Maccagnan, Heimerdinger, coach Todd Bowles and offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates. By now, the league-wide buzz was that Darnold was going No. 1 to the Browns. In fact, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam was sitting in the stands with Darnold's family in what appeared to be a not-so-subtle message to the quarterback-needy teams in attendance.

Like everyone else, the Jets were impressed by Darnold's performance. In the pouring rain, he "threw the s--- out of it," according to one scout in attendance. The Jets' contingent noticed how Darnold needed only a few warm-up tosses to get ready. Most elite quarterbacks have an elaborate prep period to get loose. Not Darnold. He spent much of the time hanging out with teammates, encouraging them during their drills. When it was his turn, he let it rip, parting the raindrops with soggy footballs that traveled at high velocity.

The Jets' takeaway: This kid exudes cool. But as they left the campus, Maccagnan & Co. lamented what appeared to be a certain fate: We're never going to see him with the third pick.

April 15: After weeks of trying, the Jets finally were able to arrange a private workout with Darnold. Incredibly, it managed to stay a secret until after the draft. It never got reported. Maccagnan, Bowles, Bates and director of college scouting Matt Bazirgan flew to Los Angeles and managed to conduct an early-morning workout on campus. No spectators, no media. Three wide receivers and a tight end ran routes for Darnold, who once again shined. Afterward, they went inside and talked ball for a couple of hours.

Once again, the Jets left campus with a hollow feeling: Was this all for naught?

April 17: Long time, no see. Two days after the private workout, Darnold visited the Jets at their Florham Park, New Jersey, facility. Six team reps, including CEO Christopher Johnson, dined with Darnold at a nearby restaurant. Darnold sat next to Johnson and the conversation flowed throughout the evening. They all had a good laugh when cocktails were ordered, as they realized Darnold still wasn't old enough to drink alcohol.

Darnold spent the next day at the facility. He met with Bowles, Bates, Maccagnan, the trainer and the director of player development. He also bumped into quarterback Josh McCown and they talked for a few minutes. The visit ended in Maccagnan's office. After an exhaustive scouting process, the GM had run out of questions for Darnold. His due diligence was complete. He wished him well and sent him on his way to the airport. Later, Bowles remarked they'd probably never see him again. They weren't optimistic about him falling to them.

April 26: Draft day began with a stunner. Mayfield went first, followed by Barkley. Initially, there was silent disbelief in the Jets' war room, then handshakes and congratulations. Eighteen months after he first set eyes on Darnold, Maccagnan had his man.

It's almost sad how much energy you put into defending failures.

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9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The same way Howard the Duck ended Lea Thompson’s career.

She never again regained her early form displayed in Jaws 3D

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9 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

It's almost sad how much energy you put into defending failures.

 

Hush. No one else thought Darnold was a good prospect.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

 

 

 

 

It's almost sad how much energy you put into defending failures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I knew millenials were lazy but I didnt think you all considered pasting an article hard work.  Yikes.

 

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On 8/20/2019 at 9:04 AM, #27TheDominator said:

Why is this news?  Did he have a notebook or a laptop and was taking notes?  Phil Savage attended a football game.  I'm sure he attends a couple every week.  I usually do and I'm not "scouting."  

Don't be such a curmudgeon.    

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