Will the jets have a bottom 5 or bottom 3 pass defense?

[Philc1]

No pass rush.  OLBs all suck and our secondary has actually gotten worse if such a thing is possible

[BROOKLYN JET]

Macc screwed us for years, it's going to take the professional Joe Douglas running this organization for a few to overcome the debacles of the past.

[Philc1]

Just now, BROOKLYN JET said:

Macc screwed us for years, it's going to take the professional Joe Douglas running this organization for a few to overcome the debacles of the past.

Macc spent $180 million on Revis and Trumaine Johnson, multiple high draft picks on box safeties 

 

Ugh my dog could have managed this better

 

[Anthony Jet]

1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

Macc spent $180 million on Revis and Trumaine Johnson, multiple high draft picks on box safeties 

 

Ugh my dog could have managed this better

 

Yea, cause that’s not a bias opinion 

[Philc1]

Just now, Anthony Jet said:

Yea, cause that’s not a bias opinion 

You think Macc built a good secondary?

[Ken Schroy]

Neither. I think we will be better than that. It's amazing how much stock fans put into a meaningless pre season game.

[Anthony Jet]

Just now, Philc1 said:

You think Macc built a good secondary?

No. Terrible. But I’ve seen your dogs fantasy team, its nothing. To write home about 

[More Cowbell]

You know what, this excuse about Mac is not holding water. Basically we need better coaching at the position of DB. These are supposed to be professional players. We don't  need Talib or Peterson to cover guys every weekend. We aren't  facing Nuke or AJ Green every game. The coaches need to scheme a D and put these guys in position to succeed.  We have veteran  players at DB. It's time they started playing like it. 

I agree, our secondary  looked horrible last night and there is virtually no pass rush. I hope we are just playing a basic D because if this is what we trot out every week, the O better score 30 every game

[DetroitRed]

I disagree there is no pass rush. I think the pass rush will be above average. The pass rush from the OLBs will be below average


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[Patriot Killa]

This team isn’t going to be as good as you all seem to think. Hate to be the debbie downer.

[jgb]

We are not going to be a good defense this year. This year is all about Darnold taking the leap. 7-8 win team if I let my optimism run wild.

[Beerfish]

Mac drafted and put tons of resources into defense but he put the high picks into positions that simply do not make you a good defense. (ILB, Safety, Interior Dline)

[Smashmouth]

26 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

You think Macc built a good secondary?

Pretty much remains to be seen ...... I think our pass rush will be fine no not Elite but enough to create some pressure and help out the D-Backs. 

The D-Backs could use some help but I don't think they are terrible either. 

And please lets put Macc to bed hes gone.

[Patriot Killa]

32 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

We don't  need Talib or Peterson to cover guys

Ya but we also don’t need Alex Brown or whoever else they found off the Ravens scout team.

[TJ]

19 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Mac drafted and put tons of resources into defense but he put the high picks into positions that simply do not make you a good defense. (ILB, Safety, Interior Dline)

This is it in a nutshell. 

You look at the Broncos pass rush and then at ours.  Our D will have some good games and some bad ones.  I don't see us stopping the really good teams with good QBs.  You need a good pass rush and good coverage.  Corners can't cover forever, you need to pressure the QB.  Need pressure to generate interceptions.  Need coverage to generate sacks.  I'm hoping GW can get pressure with QW and exotic looks.  Hoping Douglas can get us some help when the final cuts come.

Jets need Joe Douglas to have a great off season.   Like many other have said, this season is about building an offense and Darnold's growth.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Not sure it matters this year - I am ok with Big 12 football as Sam develops

 

[Mike135]

Nope.  Remember Brees/Thomas is possibly the best QB/WR duo in the game.

[kdels62]

49 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said:

Yea, cause that’s not a bias opinion 

I laughed out loud in front of people

[More Cowbell]

7 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Ya but we also don’t need Alex Brown or whoever else they found off the Ravens scout team.

The starters are going to be Johnson if he stays healthy and Roberts and we have Poole as a nickle. These three are good enough to play the position. Alex Brown I'm not even sure sticks. He's 4th or 5th. There is more depth behind the starters before we get to Alex Brown. 

[Dunnie]

Thomas made a couple incredible catches last night in tight space.

... But by all means let the overreaction continue... Please

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[Villain The Foe]

18 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

Not sure it matters this year - I am ok with Big 12 football as Sam develops

 

Though I understand, that's the least of our concerns. 

Sam could be fully developed by week 3, that doesnt mean we have a respectable 53 man roster. 

Luck had developed, and because they put crap around him for the majority of his his career, especially at the Oline, dude retired and he isnt even 30. 

Sam needs a defense to support what he can do on offense. 

[Jet Nut]

46 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Mac drafted and put tons of resources into defense but he put the high picks into positions that simply do not make you a good defense. (ILB, Safety, Interior Dline)

Yes, because all the good defenses lack talent at those position.  Pitt never needed Palomala, Ravens werent better with Reed, Colts played no different with Sanders than without him.  Singletary etc never helped their defense just like theres no impact by along Donaldson, Suh, Cox, Jenkins, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Joe Green.......

Only in Jetland does a defense not really need to have good players at 6 of the 11 positions to a defense in order to be be a good defense.  

 

[Apache 51]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

No pass rush.  OLBs all suck and our secondary has actually gotten worse if such a thing is possible

We just played a top 10 org. with a HOF QB, in preseason. JD is just starting which means the JETS just started. Give it a couple of years.

[Bugg]

Word of optimism about the lack of pass rush; think there is an unwritten rule that you play straight up, no blitzes, limited stunts and no wrinkles . In part because nobody wants to hurt a #1 QB, and in part because you don't want to put any interesting stuff on tape. 

[Losmeister]

but marcus maye is so good!! 

[Beerfish]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yes, because all the good defenses lack talent at those position.  Pitt never needed Palomala, Ravens werent better with Reed, Colts played no different with Sanders than without him.  Singletary etc never helped their defense just like theres no impact by along Donaldson, Suh, Cox, Jenkins, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Joe Green.......

Only in Jetland does a defense not really need to have good players at 6 of the 11 positions to a defense in order to be be a good defense.  

 

We have jamal adams uber best safety in football pro bowler.

We just drafted Quinne the beast williams 3rd overall.

We drafted another saftey in the 2nd round.

We have leo williams 6th overall who should be in his prime.

We drafted since departed darron lee in the 1st.

We gave cj mosely a huge contracr.

And the defense is poor.

No olbs and no attemtp to fix that postion, no cbs

You win in this league by getting a pass rush and by covering.  We put almost no real resources into these two things.

[Bugg]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yes, because all the good defenses lack talent at those position.  Pitt never needed Palomala, Ravens werent better with Reed, Colts played no different with Sanders than without him.  Singletary etc never helped their defense just like theres no impact by along Donaldson, Suh, Cox, Jenkins, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Joe Green.......

Only in Jetland does a defense not really need to have good players at 6 of the 11 positions to a defense in order to be be a good defense.  

 

The Polamalu, Sanders and Reed cards have been played. Let's see if Adams has anywhere close to the impactful plays any of those guys did. Simple fact; the safety you can get in free agency or later rounds thus far would have been only slightly  less impactful than Adams, and no worse than Maye. Happy with Darnold, but this Mahomes kid...

Big Picture: what ever teams did to build themselves up in the past is not the same as 2019. DBs are overhead; you need a pass rush to cut in on a QB's time or hit him, and you need to score points. A shutdown corner is a unicorn; it no longer exists. If you can force a QB to make fast and bad decisions with a rush, you'll be fine. If you give him time, DBs won't much mater once the play breaks down and extends.Adams may be a very good safety, but the point is he's a safety , and that position simply is not that important. 

[Larz]

[Bugg]

7 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

but marcus maye is so good!! 

His demeanor in MRI tubes or football? 

[Jet Nut]

7 minutes ago, Bugg said:

The Polamalu, Sanders and Reed cards have been played. Let's see if Adams has anywhere close to the impactful plays any of those guys did. Simple fact; the safety you can get in free agency or later rounds thus far would have been only slightly  less impactful than Adams, and no worse than Maye. Happy with Darnold, but this Mahomes kid...

Big Picture: what ever teams did to build themselves up in the past is not the same as 2019. DBs are overhead; you need a pass rush to cut in on a QB's time or hit him, and you need to score points. A shutdown corner is a unicorn; it no longer exists. If you can force a QB to make fast and bad decisions with a rush, you'll be fine. If you give him time, DBs won't much mater once the play breaks down and extends.Adams may be a very good safety, but the point is he's a safety , and that position simply is not that important. 

Exactly nothing to do with what I was saying.  His point is S, interior DL and LB have nothing to do with creating a good defense.  

Simple fact.  Makes no difference how good Adams is.  A handful of people will always be pissed that we didnt reach for Mahomes at the 6 spot.  Turns out we should have, few if any would have but those fans wont let it go.  Its simple

[Joe W. Namath]

When tru comes back the secondary will be fine.  Chill out!!

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

28 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Though I understand, that's the least of our concerns. 

Sam could be fully developed by week 3, that doesnt mean we have a respectable 53 man roster. 

Luck had developed, and because they put crap around him for the majority of his his career, especially at the Oline, dude retired and he isnt even 30. 

Sam needs a defense to support what he can do on offense. 

Agree, guess I am figuring Sam is basically a rookie this year, the last Coaching staff set him up to fail and based on the backup OL play so far the old FO did him no favors either - really just want to see him get through the year healthy and if that means the pass defense sucks, so be it...

I have faith in what GW can do with scraps - prefer the focus is on helping Sam 

[Bugg]

11 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Exactly nothing to do with what I was saying.  His point is S, interior DL and LB have nothing to do with creating a good defense.  

Simple fact.  Makes no difference how good Adams is.  A handful of people will always be pissed that we didnt reach for Mahomes at the 6 spot.  Turns out we should have, few if any would have but those fans wont let it go.  Its simple

Sorry I missed your sarcasm, not enough caffeine yet. 

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, Bugg said:

Sorry I missed your sarcasm, not enough caffeine yet. 

Know the feeling, all cool.

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[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

No pass rush.  OLBs all suck and our secondary has actually gotten worse if such a thing is possible