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The New York Jets formally announced the players they released after making waiver claims and adding Kaare Vedvik, Bennett Jackson Braxton Berrios and John Franklin

Right now the practice squad looks like this:

OL Calvin Anderson

OL Ben Braden

CB Kyron Brown

QB Luke Falk

LB Jamey Mosley

WR Jeff Smith

RB Valentine Holmes

Manish Mehta is also reporting that the Jets have added a tight end, Ian Bunting.

Jets are adding former Bears TE Ian Bunting to the practice squad.

Don’t call him Good Will.

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9 minutes ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I really would´ve liked that they added Greg Dortch to the PS. I dont think he was picked up by anyone else. 

Dortch will obviously take smith's spot if he clears waivers

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6 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Dortch will obviously take smith's spot if he clears waivers

oh cool, i thought the waiver thing was over. ....i guess it runs all season, yes?

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6 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

Dortch will obviously take smith's spot if he clears waivers

He cleared. They didn't.

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Just now, Dinamite said:

Dortch was waived on Sunday, so he only clears waivers on Monday at noon I believe.

Who grabbed him?

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6 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I really would´ve liked that they added Greg Dortch to the PS. I dont think he was picked up by anyone else. 

Greg Dortch simply wasn't good enough. I don't know why so many have such a hard time understanding this? He did nearly NOTHING on offense and his ST, while better than his contributions on offense, we're still just a few nice moves. He never ran back a single punt. If Westoff were still here he would have cut Dortch long before now. His roster spot in the Eagles game was still very much in question. 

But in regards to overall talent, Valentine Holmes has it all over Greg Dortch. Dortch, due to the fact he's been playing American style football, looks more polished right now. However, that's just an illusion. Valentine Holmes can contribute on ST and the Jets know that. Holmes is also a very talented receiver. In fact, he had it all over Dortch in this training camp. Now I'm not sure about Holmes usefulness in the running game? He really didn't do much running between the tackles, but it's also hard to tell when you're trying to play with lineman that are 4th stringers. Regardless, it was obvious that the talent was there with Holmes, not so much with Dortch.

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43 minutes ago, ECURB said:

He cleared. They didn't.

He cleared yesterday afternoon. There's usually a brief delay before being signed to the practice squad

 

Update - apparently I had my timeline wrong and he was cut on Sunday not Saturday afternoon, so he hasn't even cleared yet

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^^^ Holmes is an international player & Guaranteed a Practice Squad spot no matter what, his spot doesn't count against the normal 10 spots allotted for the Practice Squad... The Jets will have 10 practice squad players Plus Holmes for a total of 11. 

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28 minutes ago, ECURB said:

Who grabbed him?

That's not the way it works. Claims are put in and run the next day. So you don't know whether anybody claimed him or if he clears until the week announced his what happens with its waivers run. If he was cut on Sunday, he'll clear waivers today or be claimed today. If he isn't claimed, the Jets will only then be free to see if he is willing to re-sign to their practice squad.. 

Which they will obviously do, since they kept him over Jeff Smith in their first version of the 53, which tells you that they like Dortch better than Smith. Given the option to keep either Dortch or Smith on the practice squad, which one will they pick? ( they may keep both and cut somebody else from the practice squad. But there is a 0% chance that after choosing Dortch over Smith for the 53-man roster, they will choose Smith over Dortch for the practice squad) 

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2 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

That's not the way it works. Claims are put in and run the next day. So you don't know whether anybody claimed him or if he clears until the week announced his what happens with its waivers run. If he was cut on Sunday, he'll clear waivers today or be claimed today. If he isn't claimed, the Jets will only then be free to see if he is willing to re-sign to their practice squad.. 

Which they will obviously do, since they kept him over Jeff Smith in their first version of the 53, which tells you that they like Dortch better than Smith. Given the option to keep either Dortch or Smith on the practice squad, which one will they pick? ( they may keep both and cut somebody else from the practice squad. But there is a 0% chance that after choosing Dortch over Smith for the 53-man roster, they will choose Smith over Dortch for the practice squad) 

Or maybe he doesn't clear... Either way they aren't sweating it.

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6 minutes ago, jetsons said:

^^^ Holmes is an international player & Guaranteed a Practice Squad spot no matter what, his spot doesn't count against the normal 10 spots allotted for the Practice Squad... The Jets will have 10 practice squad player Plus Holmes for a total of 11. 

I didn't know that up until a few days ago. But let me ask you.... Does Valentine Holmes PS spot work the same way as any other player on the practice squad? Can Holmes be stolen off the Jets practice squad by another team? Because although Holmes showed that he needs more time before he's ready to contribute to an NFL organization, I still think he could easily be stolen off the roster. He's that good, he just needs some time to refine his playing skills.

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

What you immediately notice about this list is those guys actually produced in the preseason and earned a spot, as opposed to past years where the organization used the practice squad to stash bad late-round picks. 

While the active roster was used to stash bad early and mid round picks.

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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

What you immediately notice about this list is those guys actually produced in the preseason and earned a spot, as opposed to past years where the organization used the practice squad to stash bad late-round picks. 

No, I didn't notice that but since you pointed it out I’m gonna act like I did. 

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59 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

Greg Dortch simply wasn't good enough. I don't know why so many have such a hard time understanding this? He did nearly NOTHING on offense and his ST, while better than his contributions on offense, we're still just a few nice moves. He never ran back a single punt. If Westoff were still here he would have cut Dortch long before now. His roster spot in the Eagles game was still very much in question. 

But in regards to overall talent, Valentine Holmes has it all over Greg Dortch. Dortch, due to the fact he's been playing American style football, looks more polished right now. However, that's just an illusion. Valentine Holmes can contribute on ST and the Jets know that. Holmes is also a very talented receiver. In fact, he had it all over Dortch in this training camp. Now I'm not sure about Holmes usefulness in the running game? He really didn't do much running between the tackles, but it's also hard to tell when you're trying to play with lineman that are 4th stringers. Regardless, it was obvious that the talent was there with Holmes, not so much with Dortch.

Hmmmm.  I don't see this as accurate. First thing is Holmes spot on the PS does not affect Dortch as he is a freebie due to his international status. Once on the PS he cannot be called up to the 53 for this entire season. He's on the PS as an extra 11th man that will remain there this year with a chance to play for the active roster next season. 

Also Dortch did a little bit more than you are mentioning here as well. He broke a couple of punt returns for gains and while not the big TD he clearly showed that he he has the ability to gain yds due to his elusive style. The NFL is a field position game. Dortch's returns would more than likely gain an extra 10-15 yds consistently from the point of catching it. That's fantastic and very valuable.. 

Dortch also had a receiving TD this preseason and a few other catches. He didn't light the world on fire, but the guy showed he can play. No drops either IIRC. I trust the staff to make the decisions they see fit and if they don't want him that's fine, but Dortch more than qualifies for someone who would br s good PS player. 

There are only 6 guys on this PS list (7 with Adams) which leaves 3 spots left. I could see Dortch being one of those easily and Ik expect that to happen today should he clear Waivers.  I also look for Burnett and maybe Alex Brown or another CB. 

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1 hour ago, Doggin94it said:

That's not the way it works. Claims are put in and run the next day. So you don't know whether anybody claimed him or if he clears until the week announced his what happens with its waivers run. If he was cut on Sunday, he'll clear waivers today or be claimed today. If he isn't claimed, the Jets will only then be free to see if he is willing to re-sign to their practice squad.. 

Which they will obviously do, since they kept him over Jeff Smith in their first version of the 53, which tells you that they like Dortch better than Smith. Given the option to keep either Dortch or Smith on the practice squad, which one will they pick? ( they may keep both and cut somebody else from the practice squad. But there is a 0% chance that after choosing Dortch over Smith for the 53-man roster, they will choose Smith over Dortch for the practice squad) 

I heard on Sirius XM that a lot of GM's try to hold on to guys for the extra day to try and avoid the initial feeding frenzy of the waiver wire. Everyone knows it so it's not a secret, but it raises the chances of being able to retain and stash a guy on the PS a few percentage points.  You're point is good. They kept Dortch the extra day because they value him more than Smith and Burnett.  I look for Dortch to be added today with one of the 2 remaining spots (after Bunting was added today) 

I'm really curious who will  get the last spot. I'm thinking CB. 

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8 hours ago, Ecuadorian Jet said:

I really would´ve liked that they added Greg Dortch to the PS. I dont think he was picked up by anyone else. 

That's interesting to me, even if he's somewhat one-dimensional.  I see Dortch as a Dave Meggett type.  Could be an excellent specialist but who knows.

If he's not on the PS yet then do they really want him?  He can't be out there negotiating with teams can he?

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1 hour ago, NYJ1 said:

I didn't know that up until a few days ago. But let me ask you.... Does Valentine Holmes PS spot work the same way as any other player on the practice squad? Can Holmes be stolen off the Jets practice squad by another team? Because although Holmes showed that he needs more time before he's ready to contribute to an NFL organization, I still think he could easily be stolen off the roster. He's that good, he just needs some time to refine his playing skills.

It doesn’t work the same way. He can’t be stolen off the practice squad, but he also can’t be activated during the regular season for the Jets. It’s basically a one-year internship. Next year he either makes the team or goes thru the regular waiver process. 

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1 hour ago, NYJ1 said:

I didn't know that up until a few days ago. But let me ask you.... Does Valentine Holmes PS spot work the same way as any other player on the practice squad? Can Holmes be stolen off the Jets practice squad by another team? Because although Holmes showed that he needs more time before he's ready to contribute to an NFL organization, I still think he could easily be stolen off the roster. He's that good, he just needs some time to refine his playing skills.

As I am aware he is assigned to the Jets, he's their property .

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52 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

Hmmmm.  I don't see this as accurate. First thing is Holmes spot on the PS does not affect Dortch as he is a freebie due to his international status. Once on the PS he cannot be called up to the 53 for this entire season. He's on the PS as an extra 11th man that will remain there this year with a chance to play for the active roster next season. 

Also Dortch did a little bit more than you are mentioning here as well. He broke a couple of punt returns for gains and while not the big TD he clearly showed that he he has the ability to gain yds due to his elusive style. The NFL is a field position game. Dortch's returns would more than likely gain an extra 10-15 yds consistently from the point of catching it. That's fantastic and very valuable.. 

Dortch also had a receiving TD this preseason and a few other catches. He didn't light the world on fire, but the guy showed he can play. No drops either IIRC. I trust the staff to make the decisions they see fit and if they don't want him that's fine, but Dortch more than qualifies for someone who would br s good PS player. 

There are only 6 guys on this PS list (7 with Adams) which leaves 3 spots left. I could see Dortch being one of those easily and Ik expect that to happen today should he clear Waivers.  I also look for Burnett and maybe Alex Brown or another CB. 

First of all, thank you for the information regarding Holmes PS spot. 

In reference to Dortch he in fact fumbled a few times and never really showed much IMO on offense. Sure, he caught a few passes but many players catch a few passes in the preseason and then get cut. Dortch, once again IMO, played better on ST but specifically on punt returns. He wasn't much of ST player otherwise. Being specifically a punt returner is not going to earn you a roster spot. Now, if you're Leon Washington it might be different, but Dortch is not even in the same league as how great Leon was. Young players prove their way on to an NFL franchise by being VERSATILE. You must have an impact on not only special teams but also on offense or defense. Besides punter, kicker the only way to make an NFL roster is to versatility and talent in BOTH facets of the game. Dortch didn't.

Now I'd be happy if he got a PS spot as well. However, I'm much more excited with what Valentine Holmes has to offer in the future. I think he has much more raw, unrefined talent than Dortch.

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20 minutes ago, jetsons said:

As I am aware he is assigned to the Jets, he's their property .

That's good to know. Thank you.

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23 minutes ago, slats said:

It doesn’t work the same way. He can’t be stolen off the practice squad, but he also can’t be activated during the regular season for the Jets. It’s basically a one-year internship. Next year he either makes the team or goes thru the regular waiver process. 

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1 hour ago, slats said:

It doesn’t work the same way. He can’t be stolen off the practice squad, but he also can’t be activated during the regular season for the Jets. It’s basically a one-year internship. Next year he either makes the team or goes thru the regular waiver process. 

Or he says screw it and goes back to Australia.

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3 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

Greg Dortch simply wasn't good enough. I don't know why so many have such a hard time understanding this? He did nearly NOTHING on offense and his ST, while better than his contributions on offense, we're still just a few nice moves. He never ran back a single punt. If Westoff were still here he would have cut Dortch long before now. His roster spot in the Eagles game was still very much in question. 

But in regards to overall talent, Valentine Holmes has it all over Greg Dortch. Dortch, due to the fact he's been playing American style football, looks more polished right now. However, that's just an illusion. Valentine Holmes can contribute on ST and the Jets know that. Holmes is also a very talented receiver. In fact, he had it all over Dortch in this training camp. Now I'm not sure about Holmes usefulness in the running game? He really didn't do much running between the tackles, but it's also hard to tell when you're trying to play with lineman that are 4th stringers. Regardless, it was obvious that the talent was there with Holmes, not so much with Dortch.

I don't get how you can make that argument. Dortch was by far the best returner. So theres that. I like how you just gloss over it by saying that he didn't return a punt for a TD. Ok. And... Did anyone else? I like Holmes and I think its great we have him on PS but he can't return punts...he runs right into people like hes still playing rugby, he doesn't have the vision. Dortch had a few catches on offense, he had a TD in preseason. If you are fighting for a roster spot its hard to get opportunities. Don't act like this was a no-brainer decision. This was a tough call and Dortch probably makes the team if a guy with similar abilities like Berrios doesn't shake loose. 

As far as Holmes, again, I love the guy and hope he develops into a productive player but he would have been cut if not for the international player exception rule. 

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2 hours ago, slats said:

It doesn’t work the same way. He can’t be stolen off the practice squad, but he also can’t be activated during the regular season for the Jets. It’s basically a one-year internship. Next year he either makes the team or goes thru the regular waiver process. 

Thank you for the info. Bummer for him that he can't be activated but I guess that's fair if another team can't claim him off PS.

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2 hours ago, PepPep said:

I don't get how you can make that argument. Dortch was by far the best returner. So theres that. I like how you just gloss over it by saying that he didn't return a punt for a TD. Ok. And... Did anyone else? I like Holmes and I think its great we have him on PS but he can't return punts...he runs right into people like hes still playing rugby, he doesn't have the vision. Dortch had a few catches on offense, he had a TD in preseason. If you are fighting for a roster spot its hard to get opportunities. Don't act like this was a no-brainer decision. This was a tough call and Dortch probably makes the team if a guy with similar abilities like Berrios doesn't shake loose. 

As far as Holmes, again, I love the guy and hope he develops into a productive player but he would have been cut if not for the international player exception rule. 

Well, first of all, I created a thread and in that thread I mentioned that Greg Dortch was not entrenched in the roster. I still thought he had some things to prove. I didn't believe he had things locked up the way everyone else did. What I saw was a kid that did some good things but I knew he wasn't cutting it on offense. And just because his punt returning was better than anyone else did NOT mean he deserved a roster spot. I think that if Mac were still the GM, Dortch makes the team. But just because Mac routinely drafted\acquired players with very little talent didn't mean it was right.

What I knew all along is whenever there's a player on the fringe of getting a roster spot, versatility becomes very important. Dortch was NOT contributing enough on offense. I also felt that the FO could upgrade at PR rather easily given last second cuts and the Jets still having a decent amount of money under the cap.

And when I look at Valentine Holmes, in a vacuum I believed Holmes had a much brighter future not that I was constantly comparing them? 

Honest to goodness, I'm not trying to tell anyone I know more about football than others? That's stupid. I don't even know anyone here's background. I just felt he was too one-dimensional to make the team. And honestly I thought they could pick up a better option with last second cuts.

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3 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

Well, first of all, I created a thread and in that thread I mentioned that Greg Dortch was not entrenched in the roster. I still thought he had some things to prove. I didn't believe he had things locked up the way everyone else did. What I saw was a kid that did some good things but I knew he wasn't cutting it on offense. And just because his punt returning was better than anyone else did NOT mean he deserved a roster spot. I think that if Mac were still the GM, Dortch makes the team. But just because Mac routinely drafted\acquired players with very little talent didn't mean it was right.

What I knew all along is whenever there's a player on the fringe of getting a roster spot, versatility becomes very important. Dortch was NOT contributing enough on offense. I also felt that the FO could upgrade at PR rather easily given last second cuts and the Jets still having a decent amount of money under the cap.

And when I look at Valentine Holmes, in a vacuum I believed Holmes had a much brighter future not that I was constantly comparing them? 

Honest to goodness, I'm not trying to tell anyone I know more about football than others? That's stupid. I don't even know anyone here's background. I just felt he was too one-dimensional to make the team. And honestly I thought they could pick up a better option with last second cuts.

If Holmes wasn't guaranteed a practice squad spot he wouldn't have made the practice squad.

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16 minutes ago, jetsons said:

If Holmes wasn't guaranteed a practice squad spot he wouldn't have made the practice squad.

I disagree. I already posted it once and I'll post it again....

Valentine Holmes to me looks a lot like Danny Woodhead. A guy that can do just about anything he's asked to do... That includes ST and offense. I think Valentine Holmes has a very bright future in the NFL. With a year on the PS, I believe some NFL team is going to get an EXCELLENT ST player and pass catching scat back on offense/ third down type player.

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17 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

I disagree. I already posted it once and I'll post it again....

Valentine Holmes to me looks a lot like Danny Woodhead. A guy that can do just about anything he's asked to do... That includes ST and offense. I think Valentine Holmes has a very bright future in the NFL. With a year on the PS, I believe some NFL team is going to get an EXCELLENT ST player and pass catching scat back on offense/ third down type player.

I disagree.

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Thought on Holmes - definitely a talented athlete and bit of a tweener as he develops. That RB/WR hybrid is similar to Montgomery...in a best case scenario where he develops and is worthy of a roster spot next year, could he possibly step into that role?

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